India’s olive branch to Pakistan

October 29, 2009

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has held out an olive branch to Pakistan by renewing an offer to talk, while also calling on it to take action against militants operating from its territory.  India’s Press and Information Bureau has the excerpts of a speech delivered in Kashmir. in which Singh held out “a hand of friendship” to Pakistan. It’s worth reading in detail because it was clearly carefully prepared, endorsed politically by Congress president Sonia Gandhi who accompanied the prime minister, and according to The Hindu newspaper. an attempt to advance the peace process with Pakistan. 

India and Pakistan, he said, had made progress in peace talks started in 2004, and had been able to open up trade and travel across the Line of Control (LoC), the ceasefire line dividing Kashmir. “These are not small achievements given the history of our troubled relationship with Pakistan.”

“However, all the progress that we achieved has been repeatedly thwarted by acts of terrorism. The terrorists want permanent enmity to prevail between the two countries. The terrorists have misused the name of a peaceful and benevolent religion. Their philosophy of hate has no place here. It is totally contrary to our centuries old tradition of tolerance and harmony among faiths.

“I strongly believe that the majority of people in Pakistan seek good neighbourly and cooperative relations between India and Pakistan. They seek a permanent peace. This is our view as well.

“The cross-LoC initiatives have been well received on both sides of the border. But I am also aware that they are not as people friendly as they could be. Trade facilities at the border are inadequate. There are no banking channels. Customs facilities need to be strengthened. There are no trade fairs. The lists of tradable commodities need to be increased. Clearances for travel take time. Prisoners of India and Pakistan are languishing in each other’s jails even after completing their sentences.

“The fact is that these are humanitarian issues whose resolution requires the cooperation of Pakistan. We are ready to discuss these and other issues with the Government of Pakistan. I hope that as a result things will be made easier for our traders, divided families, prisoners and travelers. For a productive dialogue it is essential that terrorism must be brought under control.

“We will press the Government of Pakistan to curb the activities of those elements that are engaging in terrorism in India. If they are non-state actors, it is the solemn duty of the government of Pakistan to bring them to book, to destroy their camps and to eliminate their infrastructure. The perpetrators of the acts of terror must pay the heaviest penalty for their barbaric crimes against humanity.”

India broke off peace talks after last year’s attack on Mumbai and has been reluctant to resume a formal peace process until Pakistan takes more action against the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group accused of involvement in the assault. But with Pakistan pursuing a military offensive against Pakistani Taliban militants in South Waziristan, and facing a wave of reprisal attacks across the country, action against the Lashkar-e-Taiba has been seen as dropping down the priority list, all the more so given that it is one of the few militant groups in the country not yet believed to have targeted the Pakistani state.

That has left both countries deadlocked at a time when the region is desperately in need of stability to stem an increase in violence and help ease tensions over rivalry between India and Pakistan in Afghanistan.

The Hindu said in an editorial that the speech in Kashmir might offer a way forward. ”What the Prime Minister has essentially done is to separate out the strands of the dialogue process as it existed prior to its suspension following the Mumbai terrorist attacks of November 2008 and raised the possibility of forward movement on the ‘humanitarian’ strands even as substantive political engagement, or ‘productive dialogue’, must await the action that India has asked Pakistan to take against the camps and infrastructure of terrorist groups and other hostile non-state actors on its territory.”

If Pakistan acted against these groups, it said, then both countries could resume a peace process on Kashmir. ”And in the interim, as a demonstration of the two countries’ stated commitment to the welfare of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, discussions on making existing cross-LoC initiatives more ‘people friendly’ can begin more or less immediately.”

Can the prime minister’s gesture make a difference?

Pakistan welcomed the offer of talks, but a foreign ministry spokesman reiterated Pakistan’s position that the correct forum was the formal peace process or composite dialogue. India has so far refused to resume the composite dialogue.

And political separatists in Kashmir in the Hurriyat Conference are unlikely to want to open bilateral talks with the Indian government if there is no progress in improving relations between India and Pakistan.

While there is little sympathy for either India or Pakistan in the Kashmir Valley after two decades of separatist revolt, few believe that a solution to the long-running Kashmir dispute can be found with one country without the support of the other. And while that would not necessarily mean India and Pakistan sitting at the same table with representatives from Kashmir, there would still need to be some form of three-way dialogue to make progress.

The Pakistan government also has its hands full already without trying to work out how to respond to any Indian overture that might eventually require politically unpopular concessions at home.

That said, both countries have been trying to improve the mood ahead of an expected meeting between the Indian and Pakistani prime ministers on the sidelines of a Commonwealth summit in Trinidad in November.

Singh’s hand of friendship could help pave the way for a more productive meeting.

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MyraBoth countries need to tread carefully, we have been there before. Those out on sabotage mission have done that before, they might sieze any opportunity to spark a crisis if provided an opportunity. The situation demands there is no time to waste. India needs more sincerety and openness. Right now they are saying lets talk this and that but not Kashmir dispute. For Pakistan Kashmir is important while India thinks terrorism is a priority. There is not much that can be hoped at this stage.Disputes can be resolved, if Turkey and Armenia can recently so do India and Pakistan. This cannot be achieved without real leadership on both sides. Otherwise dragging feet will serve no purpose bringing us back to square one.

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Myra, you have tried and written a neutral article. Congratulations.But the usual pakistani poster has immediately taken the edge of the good intentions of your article by claiming it is India which needs more sincerity and also implying terrorism will continue as a negotiating tool.But I liked this title and feel the same way too:http://www.hindustantimes.com/jandk/ Is-it-time-to-smile-in-Kashmir/470743/H1 -Article1-470688.aspxContinue the good work.

@Can the prime minister’s gesture make a difference?-His gesture, specially when made through his speech in Kashmir, must be grabbed as a chance by all–Pakistan as well as Separatists.Myra:Ex-PM Vajpayee (BJP party) initiated Kashmir and passed the baton to PM Manmohan Singh (Congress party) who willingly continued with the talks with Pakistan and got re-elected to continue the process. This is enough to show steady Indian effort and India’s determination to solve the issues, irrespective of the ruling party. At the end of this term by Indian PM, it will be nearly 15yrs of ruling by 2 Indian PMs who were willing partners for solving bilateral issues. Two things hinder the process—Pakistan’s own weak political system marked by Musharraf’s problems/exit and the 2nd one is terrorism from Pakistan-based terrorists. Parliament attack and Mumbai case are 2 cases here.While India realizes Kashmir issue resolution, pakistan has failed to realize the importance to tackle Indian concern of terrorism. The progress will be made but will stop when the process reaches a point where India will like to see terrorism to be first sincerely owned by Pakistan and then tackled.Apart from Musharraf’s Kargil stupidity, he at least represented a single centre of power with politics and military under his control. But now there are multiple center of power with Zardari (15% rating) and Gilani as weak political face who are neither trusted by their country people nor by Indians or Indian politicians. This is why there is a need to have strong political system for Pakistan. Manmohan Singh’s such soft voice appears like the roar of a lion in front of ever-grinning Zardari’s voice, who by himself seems well-meaning but his controls are with Kayani/PA, which tones down their voice.Sometime I feel that perhaps a genuine democracy is an unwritten pre-condition for Kashmir resolution. Having that will automatically take care of India’s concern terrorism since that can be dealt more transparently.__________________________ @For Pakistan Kashmir is important while India thinks terrorism is a priority.-UmairUmair: I thought with this mayhem in Pakistan you have realized the ugly side of terrorism and start considering it a priority for everybody. For India Kashmir and terrorism are important–if you know what PM singh’s introducion of delinking the issues. Singh is gentleman but not stupid. That’s precisely the difference between the approach. Stubbornness must be checked out at the negotiating table. Would you talk peace with your neighbor who has knife in his hand?Umair, terrorism and wars as means to achieve the goals have not worked. Pakistan is getting isolated by Kashmiris from POK even. Recently, Kashmiris from POK officially condemned Pakistan’s 1947 invasion of Kashmir and said that Kashmir issues would not exist had Pakistan not attacked.http://timesofindia.indiatimes. com/videos/news/Kashmiri-groups-condemn- Pakistans-1947-invasion/videoshow/515363 6.cms

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Everyone needs peace,. two countries prime ministers/presidents should think about people in Kashmir too..Every move to get peace in that part of that worl is appreciatable,..

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Everyone needs peace,. two countries prime ministers/presidents should think about people in Kashmir too..Every move to get peace in that part of that world is good.Lets talk and resolve the issue,.We are neighbours,.if we are not resolving these issues soon,.Kashmiri people will forget the word peace.

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Rajeev,Aren’t you tired of blowing the horn into deaf ears? Has anything changed? Do not worry. Whatever happens will happen and it does not bode well for Pakistan. When their ship is sinking, these guys are talking about Kashmir. That tells how warped their mindset is.I remember Mr. Umair write in one of the earlier article responses that Kashmir is where Pakistan will avenge the separation of East Pakistan. That is the real settlement they want and nothing else. All this talk of diplomacy, fight in Waziristan etc seem to be time delaying tactics to wait out the Americans.Nothing will change. Just when Manmohan Singh and Zardari or some other puppet from Pakistan pose for a picture together, their military will send in some more suicide bombers into India and derail everything.It is no use working with these guys. Tell them to hang themselves and we should just keep our borders protected and increase the vigil. Our government should work with the Americans and other Western powers to share intelligence and track their acts down. FBI caught a couple of LeT monsters recently who were planning for a massive operation in India.We cannot get justice from a country controlled by militants. We can feel sorry for their innocent civilians. But that’s about it. No progress has happened over 60 years. No progress will happen even further. We should not waste our efforts offering friendship to rogue organizations like the Pakistani military. The reason why I am emphasizing on the military is because there is no nation there. There is only the military that is controlling a nation. And we know what this military has to offer.

‘Clinton scolds Pakistan over al-Qaida effort – Says she finds it ‘hard to believe’ that government can’t find terrorists’http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3 3529752/ns/world_news-south_and_central_ asia/Finally American leaders are openly saying what the Indians have been saying for years!

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Myra,I remain skeptical of the Indo-Pak peace process despite the importance attached to it by many. Every country is frustrated while dealing with Pakistan. Haven’t we all heard the colorful comments from Ms Clinton on her recent visit to Pakistan?

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“For Pakistan Kashmir is important while India thinks terrorism is a priority”That shows your warped mentality. If terrorism is not a priority then is your Army having a wedding party in Waziristan? And are the Taliban/LeT bursting crackers?I sometimes wonder how come Pakistani’s cannot understand that terrorism no matter what, is fatal for the host or the enemy. Blood is red no matter who bleeds.Thanks.

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Feed the fools with the empty spoon.

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For Pakistan Kashmir is important while India thinks terrorism is a priority.-Posted by UmairWith ALL the bomb attacks occurring ‘inside’ Pakistan, yet you still believe that Kashmir is a big priority. The last time talks about Kashmir were held your Mushy Boy went and attacked India in Kargil, sending N. Sharif off to the US with his tail between his legs.When it comes to leadership, M. Singh is trusted by the USA and not beggar bowl Zardari.

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KP Singh,You are right sir. Even I get tired of blowing the same horn over and over.Both India and Pakistan vy for attention of the USA. However, the people of the USA have different perception of India and Pakistan as illustrated by this article.The new lobbyists vying for US attention.The battle may be joined on Capitol Hill but Professor Andersen notes that it is an increasingly unequal struggle.”As Americans look at India and Pakistan,” he told me, “the gap is growing in terms of positive and negative; much more positive on the Indian side and much more negative on the Pakistan side.”(BBC news)

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Well said KP Singh. There cannot be any progress unless Pakistan becomes a multi religious, multi ethnic, moderate islamic, fair democracy. Pakistan is notorious for wiping out the minorities (15% hindus during ’47 to less than 3% now; 3 Million Bengalis killed during ’71 war & the impending pashtun disaster). There cannot be any progress with such a hate filled establishment.

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Pakistan welcomed the offer of talks, but a foreign ministry spokesman reiterated Pakistan’s position that the correct forum was the formal peace process or composite dialogue. India has so far refused to resume the composite dialogue.The Pakistani Foreign Office wants talks to resume on ‘their terms’. These terms include talks with ‘no conditions attached’. These conditions being that Pakistan destroy the training camps on its soil of LeT, JuD and other terrorist groups acting against India. However, since these groups are not against Pakistan, then Pakistan sees no reason to destroy them.I do not believe for one second that India would resume talks knowing that these Pakistan Army supported groups are still active. If another terrorist attack by one of these groups accurs in India then Pakistan will hold its hands up and say, “My goodness, where did they come from?”

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Dear Indian friendsI know you get very annoyed when Kashmir is mentioned, remember Pakistan and India are not just any ordinary neighbours like others. There is a dispute between them and it needs to be resolved before relations are peaceful.Also, Pakistan is at the forefront of fight against terrorism, i never implied Pakistan must use terrorism against India.In 1971 India armed and trained Mukti Bahni insurgents to capitalize on a political crisis and aided the seperation of East Pakistan. Yes I agree, Pakistan might have armed and trained insurgents in Kashmir in 1989. But both countries are not frineds, what is the opposite of friend? foe i guess. So when you dont have friendship you are foes.As I stated, Manmohan Singh’s Olive branch coincides with the visit of Secretary Clinton to Pakistan a clever tactic. I again see little hope because unless Kashmir dispute is resolved there will be lesser progress. Can you guys even account for the loss of East Pakistan in 1971? You don’t even know from 1972 onwards the mood in Pakistan changed for ever. Nuclear weapons were acquired to ensure Pakistan is capable of fighting a conflict with India if ever required, it was decided if rest of Pakistan has to be saved from Indian aggression, we cannot rely on mere defense.We will have to go on offensive from time to time.This is just another see saw, I dont think India will sit down and honestly talk Kashmir. Ok, Pakistan is not falling apart either we will wait until you realize what are your priorities. You might want to take a good cold look back 62 years and take stock too, maybe there is still possibility of rapproachment. Otherwise you know Pakistan is capable of both forging peace and fighting a conflict. You decide what you want? Thanks

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KP Singh,Just a little thought here about East Pakistan/Kashmir.We are justified to avenge East Pakistan in any way, East Pakistan was our territory. We could also forgive East Pakistan, because in part it was our own internal fault too. Just in previous comment i stated “India capitalized on 1971 political crisis” had there been no political crisis India might not have taken advantage.Lets go to Kashmir now, Kashmir was never part of India and it still is not. What was the basis of partition, muslim majority areas were supposed to join Pakistan.What kind of justice you ask from Pakistan when India is the criminal of whole South Asia. Had South Asia been a nuclear free area maybe that money could have gone on better health or education system. Ok ,lets do it now, both nations denuclearize. But then India has bigger ambitions and wants a permanent UN seat. Ok go ahead, Pakistan is leader of muslim world, its sole nuclear power and key nation most popolous after Indonesia.Bottom line, its still Kashmir which needs a justified solution.There is no lack of trust between India and Pakistan, infact there simply is no trust at all in between them.

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Umair,Ofcourse East Pakistan was your fault and remains a lesson that Pakistan has never learned. West Pakistanis were racist towards the East Pakistani Bengalis. You call this a political crisis? Your Pakistan could not even respect a majority vote. Then your Pakistani Army went on a genocide killing spree, India was laden with over 3,000,000 refugees from East Pakistan. India and Pakistan fought; Pakistan lost and surrendered!What on this planet makes you think for one second that Kashmir is yours just because its a Muslim majority state? You could not even respect and honor East Pakistan, which was also had a Muslim majority. You are talking utter hypocracy when your own country is in the grip of your own homemade terrorists.India would be spending its money on education, healthcase and infastructure if it did not neet to keep watching out for Pakistanis to massacre unarmed civilians like in Mumbai.Pakistan is no leader in the Muslim world by any standards. If it was then it would not need $1.5 billion a year. It would not need to set up the Begging Bowl commitee for Friends Of Pakistan. I know that China and Saudi Arabia failed to make an appearance at the previous meeting.What use are your nuclear weapons to you against your own homemade terrorists who are bombing inner cities?

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Dear Indian friendsI know you get very annoyed when Kashmir is mentioned- Posted by Umair=====Your main problem is you still live in 1999 or I should say perhaps 1969.It is now 2009. Completely out of touch with reality.Being on life support, ethnic groups are on each other’s throats, future econmoic prospects bleaker than ever….your tough talk is not annoying to us. Just plain amusing.Whatever your plans are- wars, terrorism, propaganda, begging the Oh I See to appoint envoy…Indians are ready for everything. Heck if we survived and stood grounds in 1959, we are pros at it in 2009.Don’t flatter yourself saying you are annoying us. But then I guess it is your coping strategy to tackle the hard cold realities.

As far as Manmohan Singh’s offer goes, I think there is no one anywhere in the world, other than perhaps some in Pakistan, who does not accept it at face value. The man is just inherently honest and sincere almost childlike in his transparency. I think Myra hit the nail on the head. If ever there were an olive branch this is it.This talk now of getting back to the composite dialogue, Pakistan’s rejoinder to his offer, is just semantics, to put it mildly, and a mere excuse to justify total and deliberate inaction on the 26/11 front, to be blunt. In spite of vehement criticism at home, the man is still going out on a limb to get the talks started.

To those who think that Manmohan Singh’s offer of talks is somehow a devious plan to not discuss Kashmir – please understand that it is only about Kashmir and was made in Kashmir in the hope that something constructive would come out of it.Pakistan seems more interested in keeping the Kashmir issue alive rather than seeing it brought to a negotiated settlement. It is their lifeline to detract attention from failure of governance.For those who say Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan because it was Muslim, please read the terms of the Radcliffe Commission and the status of independently ruled areas. The terms were very clear. The rulers had a choice to join either of the two or declare independence. The rest is history. But just as Pakistan needs to keep blaming India for the loss of its eastern wing it also cannot stop claiming Kashmir for its and keep the pot boiling. Doesn’t mean we don’t try.

Umair: “We are justified to avenge East Pakistan in any way, East Pakistan was our territory. We could also forgive East Pakistan, because in part it was our own internal fault too. Just in previous comment i stated “India capitalized on 1971 political crisis” had there been no political crisis India might not have taken advantage.Lets go to Kashmir now, Kashmir was never part of India and it still is not. What was the basis of partition, muslim majority areas were supposed to join Pakistan. “India’s involvement in East Pakistan was from a long term strategic view point. It coincided with a humanitarian cause. No matter how much you might window wash the issue there, Pakistan’s army engaged in one of the worst genocide on fellow Muslims and countrymen because of their language and ethnicity. India also had another point to prove to the world – Islamic unity is a myth. There can be no nation built for a religious community as it will divide further on other issues. Someone has to step in stop the carnage. In the case of Kampuchea under Pol Pot, Vietnam sent its troops to end it. In the case of Hitler, the Western powers stepped in. In the case of Yugoslavia the same thing happened. In the case of East Pakistan, India had to step in at some point. India had two choices – defeat the Pakistani military, stop the genocide and leave it at that. But because of long term strategic interests, India did what it did. And most Indians are agreeable to that. Just one half of the old Pakistan is giving so much trouble to India now. Imagine if the other half had stayed put and what it could have caused inside India. Even now the ISI runs its operations from inside Bangladesh. However, its efforts are a lot mitigated by Bangladesh being a separate country.In the case of Kashmir, Pakistan gains no strategic advantage other than settling a score with India. If India was equal in size and everything else to Pakistan, may be that might make sense. But Pakistanis like yourself do not realize the differences between the two countries. Hyenas can never kill a well grown elephant. If Hyenas imagined themselves to be lions, therein lies the problem.Pakistanis always claim that Kashmir was never part of India. However, it was never part of Pakistan either. So Indians are wondering why Pakistan is holding on to Azad Kashmir. On top of that we’d like to know why Pakistani ceded a portion of it to China and is fighting a war on the Siachien glacier with India. If Kashmir is still a disputed territory according to Pakistani view, then they should not be there. Kashmiris should be running their state.The Indian view point is that Kashmir joined India after their king Hari Singh signed the instrument of accession which was valid under the UN charter. If Pakistanis question the legitimacy of that, then Indians want to ask how the dictators in Pakistan can be considered legitimate for any negotiations. Any general who took power at gun point has no legal authority. Yet people like Ayub Khan, Zia Ul Haq and Musharraf were signing pacts like legal heads of state. India can only honor a legal government in any country like ZA Bhutto’s which signed the Shimla accord that negates any outside party intervention in Kashmir. India can deal with Zardari and it is already doing so.What Indians do not want to do is to bow down to Pakistan’s terms on any matter. India does not need Pakistan for its survival. The only thing it wants is terrorist irritation to stop. And if Pakistan uses it as a weapon to gain any political ground, well we all can see what it led to. So India wants Pakistan to give up terrorism as a state foreign policy before sitting down for any further discussions.Pakistan should have focused on nation building and economic growth to be in a position to negotiate. It has none and no one recognizes Pakistan for it.

Hello All,I don’t believe that a hand of friendship can be extended to Pakistan as long as it uses its territory to fight proxy war. They have to take some time to figure out what they want to do- fight or talk and the choice is mutually exclusive. Do you want to breed elements in your border which will destroy your country one day and make it like Afghanistan or Iraq today? Or do you want redemption? I am sure that there is no interest to Pakistan in keeping these elements alive than to one day use them against India.With all the VIPs in Pakistan since the fall of Taliban, it is only more drone strikes that I foresee. All these rabid dogs will be put to sleep. However, there is the most undesirable element of civilian casualties that goes along with that. Why do you think US’s defence policy changed to invest more on drones and technology to fight guerrilla warfare than manufacture more F-22s? They know where their enemy is. And the scary part is that they have selected their weapons too. It is Pak’s time to choose once again, this time in a sincere way unlike in 2001. Choose prosperity over a few individuals who will bring it nothing but doom. The door for opportunity is closing fast.Best,Kautilya

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KP Singh:I agree with you, but I somehow I hope that Umair et al will understand some day that terrorism is not the way to go._________________Umair:@Also, Pakistan is at the forefront of fight against terrorism, i never implied Pakistan must use terrorism against India.-UmairUmair: No harm if you deal with questions directly. Which terrorism are you talking here that Pakistan is fighting against? Is Pakistan ready to call all terrorists as terrorists?-No. India does.If you “never imply Pakistan must use terrorism against India” then why you blush to say it loud and clear that any terrorist against India is also a terrorist knowing very well that these terrorists are a hindrance to India-Pak relations.To Indians TTP/Af-Tal are terrorists, is LeT/Hafiz Saeed terrorist to you?I always wonder that Pakistanis who cannot dare to call LeT as terrorists, how can they condemn Mumbai attack. They must be thinking Kasab as a martyr.@ Ok go ahead, Pakistan is leader of muslim world, its sole nuclear power and key nation most popolous after Indonesia.-Self styled leader? Pak is born later and thinks itself as a leader—because of bomb? So that means Iran is your competitor as I alluded to on other blog and they are Shias—says a lot about Iran blaming Pakistan recently. Also, since when higher population means more power, then US will not be superpower. Saudis run Pakistan with money and ideology and they can claim to be the leader rather than Pak or Turkey which is democratic and tolerant society. But if your misperception gives you goodnight sleep, I am happy for you.@Bottom line, its still Kashmir which needs a justified solution.-Who denies? No one. Does PM Singh’s speech not say so? It is delivered directly to Kashmiris in Kashmir. But bottom line is also that a justified Kashmir solution is impossible without Pakistan taking on terrorists.@There is no lack of trust between India and Pakistan, infact there simply is no trust at all in between them.–The reason is Zardari et al are not allowed to behave transparently and PA pulls strings when he calls anti-India Jihadis as terrorists. He promises one thing and has to go back on his words. Have some honor as a nation. Get used to democracy or dictatorship—the mix is hurting Pakistan and its relation with India.There are good reasons to believe that Pakistan generals want to keep Kashmir issue alive if you look at the approaches they are using to solve the issue—wars and terrorism and do not want to talk about terrorism in India since that might accidently lead to solving Kashmir issue. If Kashmir is solved they have nothing that fills their pockets and national treasury. It is Kashmir that has ended up US giving Pakistan over trillion dollar aid since Pak-US relationship started. Why would Pakistan solve it? Pakistanis might, but not Pakistan.@ You don’t even know from 1972 onwards the mood in Pakistan changed for ever.–I sympathize with you but Pakistan has tried its best with Punjab and Kashmir. Stop trying anymore for your own sake. Did you ever wonder that if your so-called Professional Pakistani Army had not killed 2-3 million of your own country men/women and not raped women in E. Pakistan, Bangladesh would not have happened. But you still will never blame your Army. Pakistani problems were affecting India and Indira Gandhi did not want to take any Shi# from political fallout of the election, and she did the needful and I am happy for that since E. Pakistanis deserved a separate nation because they were not considered good enough to rule W. Pakistan. But I am unhappy with Indira gandhi that she did not crush Bhutto all the way during Simla agreement. She got emotional with Bhutto’s words but his own General Zia hanged him later—so enemy is sympathetic than the friend—what professional Army! Just get used to Bangladesh just like India has gotten used to so many things. India is ready to forget terrorism by Pakistan in India.@…. it was decided if rest of Pakistan has to be saved from Indian aggression, we cannot rely on mere defense. We will have to go on offensive from time to time.”–Since when pak was on defense? From day 1 until now, Pakistan has been on offensive. India fought wars in defense.—-You do not have the courage to see that pakistan always India. I fail to see why. By saying “We will have to go on offensive from time to time”—you like troubles, right? It is not a period of conventional weapons. you might have lost your head but many in Pakistan may not want to satisfy the whims of Generals. Times have changed and so should you especially when you cry at the rooftop about your nuclear power and are aware of India’s. Also, it is a good idea to size up yourself and the enemy. Do not start a war that cannot be won—-as one Chinese said.My belief is that a generation of Pakistanis like you has to turnover for peace to prevail. You got so used to digging the old issues and talk war that you are scared to talk about peace. Drop your vocabulary of “foe” for India.I like this Chinese proverb: “The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best is now.”

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What was the basis of partition, muslim majority areas were supposed to join Pakistan.Posted by UmairYou tell me Einstein (PoK Kashmiris, terrorists dumping failed state Pak?)http://www.timesnow.tv/PoK-Kashmiri s-terrorists-dumping-failed-state-Pak/ar ticleshow/4330326.cmsThere is no lack of trust between India and Pakistan, infact there simply is no trust at all in between them.Posted by UmairWRONG AGAIN.I trust Pakistanis to be completely untrustworthy.

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Abdul: “We are neighbours,.if we are not resolving these issues soon,.Kashmiri people will forget the word peace.”Kashmiri people will forget peace so long as Pakistani establishment uses terrorism as a means to turn Kashmir as its battle field against the Indian military. Just like Pakistani military has engaged in Waziristan and Swat because of terrorism, Indian military is engaged in the same thing in Kashmir. The moral of the story is to disengage from terrorism altogether. There is no such thing as terrorism against India and terrorism against others. Get rid off terrorism altogether, once in for all. Peace not only will prevail in Kashmir, but also in all parts of the region. The core issue is not Kashmir. The core issue is terrorism, fueled by hate, religious radicalization, and vengeance. Kashmir is just the channel through which Pakistan is venting it out. There is no such thing as genuine armed struggle there. Kashmiris are very different from Punjabhi people. They like peace and were peaceful citizens until 1989 when the Soviet Union left Afghanistan and Zia took the Jihadi elements from there and turned them towards Kashmir. Since then Kashmir has been burning. It is easy to blame a government establishment like the Indian military since they can be held accountable. But terrorists? They obey no law. So Pakistan is using them as a means to achieve its own goals. Indians are so sick and tired of Pakistan’s attempts that they’d like Pakistan to collapse internally and disintegrate by itself. And no matter how much one can claim that the Pakistani military is strong etc., in the months to follow, things can get worse for Pakistan. If it cannot stand on its own feet, I wonder why anyone should worry about Kashmir. First get your house in order and then worry about others. Your citizens are dying in hundreds at the hands of the same terrorists. We offer our sympathies for sure because we understand how it feels.

What was the basis of partition, muslim majority areas were supposed to join Pakistan.- Posted by UmairWhere you get that from? According to your logic, Afghanistan, Iran should be part of Pakistan too!Go study (1) INdia Partition agreemrnt (2) Kashmir Accession agreement (3) Shimla Agreement (4) Indus Water treaty, educate yourself on History-101 and then come back to blogging!Also Bring any proof (legal documents or agreements) to justify your claim on Kashmir? Until you justify your claim, you are illegally possessing Pak-Occupied-Kashmir!

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@What kind of justice you ask from Pakistan when India is the criminal of whole South Asia. Had South Asia been a nuclear free area maybe that money could have gone on better health or education system. Ok ,lets do it now, both nations denuclearize.”-Umair-Look under your cot before you call India a criminal. Pakistan is teetering on the edge of becoming an official terrorist sponsor.Both Denuclearize? This is 10th time I am telling you the same thing. sure, let us all do it in the region–not both but all three–India, Pak and China. You must be naive to envision India denuclearize knowing very well that Nuclear China is sitting on India’s head with Pakistan a nuisance. Also keep in mind that you messed up the chances already by distributing the nuclear crackers to your Muslim friends and N. Korea. The best India can do and already has done is NO first Use of Nukes. You are not there yet.@But then India has bigger ambitions and wants a permanent UN seat.”–But for Nehru’s nativity, it would have been India instead of China as the permanent member. he denied it when given the permanent membership ~60 yrs ago. It is just a matter of time now before India becomes a permanent member. Congratulations to Pakistan as “the leader of the Muslim world”, whatever that means! Any reference you could provide that others called Pakistan leader of the Muslim world.

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Rajeev:” Did you ever wonder that if your so-called Professional Pakistani Army had not killed 2-3 million of your own country “Its not me who always calls Pakistan Army as a professional one…..This is how Secretary Hillary Clinton described Pakistan Army in her visit to Pakistan….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =SWOMfPmqouc@2:22“Very professional highly expert military.”There is some great misperception in some people that Pakistan is falling apart and should forget about Kashmir. There is nothing like that, Pakistan is in no trouble and will not ditch Kashmir.

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India Olive Branch to Pakistan…What do you expect knowing too well if the pakistanis fail to overcome these terrorists. It will the indians that will have to face the same music… Also watching the coverage on the TV of indian commandoes it wasnt exactly a SAS/SSG/Marines training gievn to those poor soldiers, using old field rifles etc. Its wise idea to build more confidence between the two goverments and once and for all solve the Kashmir problem but with ALLKashmiris on board.Since India is so called mother of all democracies, how about having a peblicite in all ALL of Kashmir and get consesus on what the Kashmiris want. What they decide should be acceptable to ALL Indians n Pakistanis.Its SIMPLE as that, but when we get our neighours at every opportunity trying their best to defame Pakistan. Label Kashmiris as terrorist, raping their girls and using all the state machinery to say nothing happened. Then reverse what they said after thousands of Kashmiris pour into the streets to condemn the rapes and staged killing. That is what needs to be addressed maybe than Indian has chance of winning few Kashmiris hearts…One can also go on youtube and type in “Anti Indian protest” and all my neighours who so passionetly beileveits part of India. Open your ears and listen to thousands of Kashmiris in ONE voice saying “Kashmir Banay ga Pakistan”…..Long live Kashmiris….

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well i m a pakistani citizen and living in Peshawar i know what is the reality and the reality is that these pethatic tribal animals are doing all that they have always been jealous from Pakistani living in stone ages these monkeys neither they ve any life and nor they want any one else to flourish the only dangerous drug and land mafia are these tribals like AFRIDI ORAKZAI MOMAND WAZIR MEHSUD BUGTI and others People in Pakistan been blaming agencies CIA did that MOSAD did that i tell them they are our enemies offcourse but these recent terrible blast got nothing to do with them actually these are agencies with in Pakistan like BAJOUR AGENCY MOMAND AGENCY KHYBER AGENCY AND WAZIRISTAN AGENCY kidnappers killers mafia they really destroy the peace of Pakistan kidnap man from Pakistan for money even if they kill any Pakistani what would happen nothing who will go after these terrorists to bring them to justice specially in Nwfp IS completely under there ugly control they have mafia of business land mafia and the worst of them is drug mafia we poor Peshawaries just can look at sky and ask God for help and then God sends a DRONE to help us if there is any thing i appreciate USA is for these DRONES in tribal belts we neither have weapons like them nor our life style is pethatic like there living in groups of ppl ilke jackals and animals live the shelterers of terrorists Allah save Pakistan

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“Very professional highly expert military.”- Posted by UmairYeah right! Watch the video..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM qj4Z2LFpI

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Umair: “Pakistan is in no trouble and will not ditch Kashmir.”That is right. Pakistan is the most technologically advanced country in South Asia, with a GDP matching that of the US. It has the mightiest and most sophisticated military in the region. It is a shining example of how a nation will prosper if it is given a chance to take care of Muslim interests alone. The Americans, the Indians and everyone else is surrounding Pakistan trying to unsettle and destabilize the nation. Pakistani military has been protecting the national interests by throwing out leaders elected by corrupt people and holding on to power until the next leader became ready. Pakistani military also decided to cleanse the nation of pagan Muslims in the East who just bred and multiplied beyond proportions and were threatening the very integrity of Pakistan. India disturbed Pakistan’s just cause by surrounding the mighty Pakistani army from all sides and they tried to convert all pagan Muslims there to even worse Hindu religion. Pakistani military has always worked for the welfare of fellow Muslims. So it has sustained the fire of freedom inside Indian Kashmir by just and peaceful means. But India has moved half a million of its troops there to threaten Kashmiri brothers and Pakistan’s very integrity. Pakistani army took all the brunt of Soviet war in Afghanistan. Many soldiers still have shoulder pain for carrying those stinger missiles. After the Soviets left, Pakistani army created an Islamic paradise in Afghanistan by sending in the Taliban who just missed the Nobel Prize for world peace. The Americans and Indians have come back to bring chaos inside Pakistan. They support terrorists like Dalai Lama, while pacifists like Mullah Omar have to sweat it out in the wild with no food and only bullets to eat. Pakistani military is building the world’s most advanced freeway system through South Waziristan and the Americans will not give any money for this charitable effort. They want to feed the corrupt democratic leaders instead asking Pakistan to build schools, hospitals and colleges. But Pakistan will survive. All Indians and Americans should learn from the Chinese on human rights, environmental control, global warming etc to make this world a better place. China recognizes Pakistan’s values and holds the country in high esteem just like its other advanced nations like North Korea, Burma etc. Long live Pakistan and Short live India and America.

@Umair: “Otherwise you know Pakistan is capable of both forging peace and fighting a conflict”One would think that living under the constant threat of terrorism, would’ve knocked some sense into Pakistanis like you & set your priorities straight but I see that’s not the case. You’re still harping on Kashmir & talking about avenging 1971 while your country is being burnt to the ground by the fire of terrorism. It’s exactly the same belligerent & vengeful attitude, which compels your military establishment to have 2/3rds of your army warm their a$$es along the Indian border while terrorists kill women & children at will, in your cities. It seems that you guys are so fixated on the past that you don’t even care that about your present or future. You guys keep looking in the rear view mirror without giving a damn about what’s happening right in front of you. If your establishment doesn’t change this attitude, nothing can stop the total implosion of your country.

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@Umair: “We could also forgive East Pakistan, because in part it was our own internal fault too”I’m glad that you’re at least partly owning the responsibility for independence of east Pakistan.@”Pakistan is leader of muslim world, its sole nuclear power and key nation most popolous after Indonesia.”If having a bomb & a populous country makes you the ‘leader of the muslim world’, then you’re more delusional than I thought, you were.@”We will have to go on offensive from time to time.”And what exactly do you mean by that? Are you implying that your army/ISI plan a terror strike in India via your ‘non-state actors’ from time to time?

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“What was the basis of partition, muslim majority areas were supposed to join Pakistan” – Posted by UmairI’ve heard many Pakistanis make this incorrect & fallacious statement, which I believe is due the distorted history being taught in your text books. Let me try to set the record straight regarding the partition & Kashmir.The partition of India & Pakistan was promulgated under the guidelines of ‘The Indian Independence Act 1947′. As per the Act, ‘the rulers of all the princely states, were given the right to choose whether to accede to India or Pakistan or to remain outside them’. As we all know, the ruler of Kashmir, Maharaja Hari Singh chose to accede to India after his kingdom was attacked by Pakistan in 1948. So, the accession of Kashmir to India is as legal & legitimate as the accession of any other princely state to either country.

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@There is some great misperception in some people that Pakistan is falling apart”- Posted by Umair-Umair: I will like to agree with you that Pakistan will stay one piece—peaceful or not is a different issue. But you should think the other side too. Few years ago, did you imagine that terrorists will be so powerful to create such mayhem in Pakistan? I am sure you would have said the same word—”mispreception” but it happened and now they are attacking the nerve center of Pakistan—GHQ and Police Academy and foreign cricket team and walking away.@and should forget about Kashmir. There is nothing like that, Pakistan is in no trouble and will not ditch Kashmir.”–who told you that? you yourself. Pakistan’s troubles and Kashmir are separate issues. Kashmir is about Kashmiris not about Pakistan. You can do as much mental gymnastics as you want. India asks China to go fu## off over over Arunachal Pardesh (CM said pretty clearly) but on Kashmir India wants Kashmiris in peace only if you come out of your dream world to make a deal. Look at the transcript of Manomohan Singh’s speech again. He cannot do it any better, and your leaders realize that.BUT, in addition India tells Pakistan to take care of the terrorists that Pakistan raised but people like you sitting in Isloo-Pindi think that as a non-issue.India thinks both Kashmir and terrorism are issues and should be taken care off and pakistan (is) say terrorism is non-issue. I have never see a better example of silent supporter of terrorism, and you know this will not work.There is a feeling that is getting stronger with time that Pakistan wants to keep Kashmir issue alive. I personally believe that Pakistan sheds crocodile tears for Kashmiris. I hope you watched Kashmiris from POK condemning Pakistan invasion of Kashmir in 1947.

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“There is some great misperception in some people that Pakistan is falling apart and should forget about Kashmir. There is nothing like that, Pakistan is in no trouble and will not ditch Kashmir.”–>Feel free to indulge in fantasies and ghosts in the dark. You are free to be dismissive about the health of your country and continue perseverating about kashmir. You will never get Kashmir, not even a millimetre of soil, unless you declare a war, which will lead to annhilation of Pakistan for sure and much damage to India, which WILL recover, a price too high to pay for both sides, it is therefore advisable to abandon Kashmir and abondon the madrasas and seek to advance Pakistan through moral, legal means and hardwork, without terrorism. It is never too late.Sometimes people only reform, when they stare down at the edge of the cliff, or on their way down before the end comes. You will know when that time arrives.

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We are 1.2 Billion, India does not need to kneel or bow to Pakistan for anything.Pakistan has nothing we want and we envy nothing you have.We will however be equal partner in peace, if Pakistan is sincere and honest, without kid glove conditions.

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@Also watching the coverage on the TV of indian commandoes it wasnt exactly a SAS/SSG/Marines training gievn to those poor soldiers, using old field rifles etc.-MajidMajid: Buddy, are these SSG the same who took off and became terrorists. One name is Ilyas Kashmiri and there are many more—some caught very recently in US. They were SSG commandoes turned terrorists and Pak state doing nothing about it or perhaps that’s what they were doing.In Mumabi, it was police with rifles, not Indian commandoes. Indians commandoes did brilliant job and 2 laid down their lives for country. They can squeeze the Oxygen out of you by a bear hug. About police in India it was the police who caught your dear countryman terrorist Kasab and commandoes killed the remaining cowards. Look at Lahore police—they were giving nice farewell to terrorists who attacked your SL team—your guests—what host! Yiu are singing songs of SSG, where were all these SSG commandoes hiding when Pakistan lost in wars (1971) or stuck in humiliating heights of Kargil or stuck in 1965 war. Perhaps they were being saved as some national treasure. Telling Indians all this distortions? This is not some Urdu Jung Blog or Brasstacks zaid Hamid where people are eager suckers of your falsehood.@ One can also go on youtube and type in “Anti Indian protest” and all my neighours who so passionetly believe its part of India.–Watch Kashmiris from so-called Azad Kashmir condemning Pakistan invasion of Kashmir in 1947. Slowly but surely Pakistan is exposed. I’ll do the homework for you; see the clip:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ videos/news/Kashmiri-groups-condemn-Paki stans-1947-invasion/videoshow/5153636.cm s@defaming Pakistan—Pakistan is being exposed—fame or defame is left to Pakistan’s deeds.

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“One can also go on youtube and type in “Anti Indian protest” and all my neighours who so passionetly believe its part of India” – Posted by MajidLet’s not talk about the videos on youtube because there are also a zillion videos about ‘Balochs protesting againts Pakistan’, ‘Pashtuns protesting against Pakistan’, ‘Kashmiris protesting against Pakistan’, ‘Shias protesting against Pakistan’ etc. So going by your logic, Pakistan doesn’t have any claim over Baluchistan, NWFP & FATA, PoK & FANA & Sindh either. You must have heard the saying ‘those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones at other’s houses’.

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Thanks myra for posting my comment and i did not see it being offensive to anyone….

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Ok, so we are going no where. Manmohan Singh’s olive branch is just that; an olive branch. The core issue doesnt get resolved so staus quo is maintained. Welcome to South Asia where nothing just changes.So i think a lot of other events will repeat for a long time to come, some of them ugly events, some sort of military conflict, some handshakes like we had in Delhi, Agra and Kathmandu. Some meetings on the sidelines of international conferences. However no substantial change on ground. Why bother.Pakistan is not imploding and will never beg India for anything. Just to clarify any doubts if there is any such thinking.

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Indias olive branch to Pakistan was actually not for Pakistani ears but for the Kashmiri separatists ears whom the Indian PM wants to join mainsteam politics in Kashmir. Pakistanis can jump and flip around all they want but they frankly dont have and will never ever have now the will to fight for Kashmir. Take care of your country Pakistan and then come and talk to us. We will solve the Kashmir issue within 1 week. What will you live for once the Kashmir issue is once solved? will you then concentrate on womens rights and poverty aleviation not to forget human rights.

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Just a suggestion to my Pakistani freinds here and everywhere. Hillary said “Pakistan will take off economically if it can have peaceful relations with India”.Think, who will gain and who will lose in peace with India. The common people of Pakistan will win and the leaders and military will lose because their shop will be closed. Think Pakistanis. See the light.

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Pakistani people are the most delusional people in the world. They do not recognise their well-wishers. They claim that USA wants to destroy Pakistan. Wake up.Hillary Clinton said “Pakistans economy will shoot up if it has peaceful relations with India”Now tell me who in Pakistan will benefit and who will lose out because of peace with India? The common people will benefit tremendously and the corrupt politicians and the power hungry Army will lose out because their shop will shut down. So why are the Pakistani people so influenced by the slandering media which spreads propaganda for the people who will lose out because of peace.For thirty years the Pakistani leaders and army has kept the common people in dire straits by blaming everything on India and USA. Kashmir has been called responsible for everything including unrest inside Pakistan. When USA talks about fighting AlQuaeda, you tell them to get them Kashmir. Its as if Kashmir is a toy that you want obstinately to go along with killing Taliban. Its illogical. Its irritating and it gives a very low impression of the intellect of Pakistan.There is more. When you corrupt politicians want to defame Taliban and justify their offensive against them, the easiest way to fool the gullible pakistanis is to tell them that India is funding some Taliban. Pathetic.

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@Sunil,The Pak Army and their mighty band of elitists stand to lose economically and politically with their own people if peace is made with India.Peace with India means the Punjabistani mafia’s business plan will fail miserably.Naive, misinformed, polarized, one-sided, uneducated citizens are good for Islamabad’s and Rawalpindi’s business plan. They can keep lining their pockets.The people of Pakistan need to wake up and fire, or layoff, perhaps give a pink slip to those corrupt ones who own and run Pakistan.

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“So i think a lot of other events will repeat for a long time to come, some of them ugly events, some sort of military conflict, some handshakes like we had in Delhi, Agra and Kathmandu. Some meetings on the sidelines of international conferences. However no substantial change on ground. Why bother.”–>Wrong, once the day of reckoning happens in Pakistan, it is the Punjabistani elites, who will be begging for leniency, for mercy, for some fairness…all those types of judgements will be left up to the people of Pakistan, once the wealth there begins to redistribute and avg Pakistani’s begin to prosper.

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I think the yardstick by which to judge Karzai’s performance should not be whether he serves the interests of the US or Pakistan’ but whether he serves the interests of the people of Afghanistan. I think he would probably be found lacking there too. The point I’m trying to make is that he should be judged, and lose or retain office, on that score and that alone. To root for his ouster because some other country doesn’t like him or doesn’t serve their interests is intereference.

India would never go to war against Pakistan.Logic of this statement is very simple.@ Pakistan has 03 pillars, that is, people (elected goverment), Army and Terrorists. At the moment they are fighting each other. The moment, India declares war against Pakistan, they will rally together, as India is the bigger enemy in their eyes. Towards this end, Pakistan Army and Terrorist are doing their best to provoke India. And, India is keeping quiet, inspite of number of provocations.@ If India was to attack Pakistan and win. Why should India take on the responsibility of administration of failed country. What are the gains, ZERO.@ Even if the war ends with a stalemate and nobody wins, Pakistan state would be weakened beyond repairs and would fall in the hands of terrorist like a ripe mango.Hence, it is in the interest of our country, that we do not go for war against Pakistan and let them cook in their own stew.

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Umair: “Pakistan is not imploding and will never beg India for anything. Just to clarify any doubts if there is any such thinking.”Which Pakistan? Please clarify that as well.

Sameer: “Towards this end, Pakistan Army and Terrorist are doing their best to provoke India. And, India is keeping quiet, inspite of number of provocations.”P Chidambaram has just declared that India will retaliate if another Pak sponsored militant attack happens inside India. This must sound sweet to all Pakistanis – their military, militants and people. Their hate for India overwhelms their mutual tussles. They have been itching for an occasion of this kind and Mr. P Chidambaram fulfills their wish. This is the time to keep quiet and avoid being drawn into a conflict with Pakistan which is working hard to self destruct. But politicians are what they are. Mr. Chidambaram should focus on the Maoist problem more than anything else.

As sincere as Manmohan Singh is, the offer is useless when he has nobody to negotiate with. Worse still, is that even if Zardari proved to be sincere, Pakistan is in no shape to implement any treaty. The Pak Army can’t crack down on what they term ‘miscreants’ in Waziristan. Does anyone really think that they could actually disarm better trained and more effective Kashmiri insurgents and anti-India jihadists? Would they really run military operations in Punjab to close down such camps?If they are willing to risk the wrath of the US and the international community by not putting forward a sincere effort against jihadists operating across the western border, there is no way they’ll move a finger over anything concerning the eastern border.Things have to get a lot worse before they get better. Pakistanis will only truly see terrorism as unacceptable when their country is on the verge of coming apart (close but not quite there yet). Till then, they will continue to distinguish between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ terrorists and extremists. Even with the bombings they have now, they have not reached that point. See the comments posted here by various Pakistanis. And these are the literate English speakers. One can only imagine how much sympathy the illiterate Urdu speakers have for terrorists.The Indians are right to make offers of peace, if for nothing else than that every sincere offer (we can tell the difference between optics and sincere efforts) makes them look good and Pakistan look bad. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for an equally magnanimous response from Pakistan.

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Ok, so we are going no where. Manmohan Singh’s olive branch is just that; an olive branch. The core issue doesnt get resolved so staus quo is maintained. Welcome to South Asia where nothing just changes. – Umair.A journey of thousand steps begins with the first one. You should appreciate the offer for what it is: the first step on a long journey.You complain that the Indians are insincere, but where is the Pakistani equivalent of an olive branch? Even in peace, they are ahead of you.

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@Keith,Pakistan will never offer an olive branch or peace, you know why? The civilian gov’t is a thinly veiled mask for the Pakistani Army, which holds the iron grip on power in Pakistan. The Pak Army literally owns Pakistan.By definition, an Army’s job is not to wage peace, but war. On that basis, to politically elevate their business model, they have needed to brainwash the entire population of Pakistan to get their support, for all of their activities against India. We have Indians have been repeatedly trying to offer peace to those who know nothing but war, that being the Officers who run Pakistan.On that basis, since the owners of Pakistan are warmakers and warmongers, Pakistan will always be hostage to its own warmakers and be incapable of ever offering any olive branches to anybody, or accepting them from India, it is too incoherent to even understand the word peace, as they understand only chaos, hatred, blame, insurgency, terrorism and war. They live for this.An Army should not be running a country. The Army’s business is war, or in Pakistan’s case, the next best thing, proxy wars on India, via Kashmiri Militants.India cannot change Pakistan, but the masters of Pakistani Army, that being the UK and USA, can definitely “fire” the Army elites who own Pakistan and bring back British Administered rule, until Pakistan civilizes and this may take a hundred years.The U.S. and imperial powers are quite capable of “regime changes” and coups, as they have done throughout this century and the same can be done in Pakistan by the next president, after Obama, if his administration fails to deliver AF_PAK on a platter.In the future, U.S. Public opinion will change as the billions of Aid money to Pakistan, will be seen as uselessly squandered, if AF-Pak is a failure.When Pakistan implodes, and one day it will, the poor refugees from Pakistan will be flooding to India for food, while the rich will be looking for the next flight out to the U.S, UK, or whatever country will take them.Interal security in Pakistan is so weak that it will not be able to contain and control the lawlessness, restlessness and militantism, unless the Punjabi Army, shifts resources to its heartland into punjab, where the Urban centres are.There are those Pakistani bloggers here who would like to dismiss the Taliban attacks as nothing, please let them say those things to those poor victims who lost family members in the suicide attacks, to them, who lost loved ones, Pakistan is hell on earth.For political reasons, India is to offer an olive branch, but he problem is, there is nobody coherent, honest, with integrity, good faith or with one voice, standing in front to accept it. The civilian govt smiles and shakes hands, while the Pak Army planes its next misadventure on India.

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Going by the comments from Pakistanis & by the Pakistani media, it seems that Pakistanis have also made a conspiracy theory out of Manmohan Singh’s ‘olive branch’. Since Dr. Singh’s speech in Kashmir coincided with Hillary Clinton’s visit to Pakistan, the theory goes that Dr. Singh’s comments were nothing more than lip service to please the Americans. Pakistan truly deserves to be officially named ‘The Conspiracy theory Capital of the World’.

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“Going by the comments from Pakistanis & by the Pakistani media, it seems that Pakistanis have also made a conspiracy theory out of Manmohan Singh’s ‘olive branch’. Since Dr. Singh’s speech in Kashmir coincided with Hillary Clinton’s visit to Pakistan, the theory goes that Dr. Singh’s comments were nothing more than lip service to please the Americans. Pakistan truly deserves to be officially named ‘The Conspiracy theory Capital of the World’.- Posted by Mortal “–>The fact that Pakistan exists is a conspiracy theory itself.I don’t think Pakistan respects peace, but only a very firm hand with the threat of massive destruction. The Pak establishment only respects fear and muscle.A hand shake is not respected. When we act friendly, then the Paks call us weak or afraid. What do they want? Tell us how to act, so that you will act honestly and friendly with good intentions towards Kaffirs and non-muslims, without propaganda, lies and conspiracy stories, is there something we have not said to you? Perhaps Pakistan is unreachable, in its current state.If an olive branch is no good, how about a thorn bush?What do you bloggers think?

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@The core issue doesnt get resolved so staus quo is maintained. Welcome to South Asia where nothing just changes.- Umair.Umair: Can you tell what this so-called “core issue” is?GW, Mortal: Guys, I think there still is hope because if the so-called “core issue” gets resolved then there might be a change. Let us wait for Umair to tell us what that issue is.

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Resume talks with IndiaBy I.A. Rehman–Dawnhttp://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/c onnect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-new spaper/columnists/i-a-rehman-resume-talk s-with-india”That Pakistan needs peace along its border with India in order to be free to deal with the conflict in its tribal areas is only part of the argument for establishing peace in the subcontinent.”"REGARDLESS of the views of the establishment’s hawks and howsoever strong they may be, Islamabad must give a positive response to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s offer of peace.”Normal relations and mutually beneficial cooperation between the two closest South Asian neighbours has always been desirable for many reasons but their urgency has been increased many times over by the extremists’ challenge to the Pakistan state.No sane person on either side of the border can deny that the threat to the stability of Pakistan is also a threat to India’s vital interests, and their joint efforts are needed to ensure victory over the terrorists.That Pakistan needs peace along its border with India in order to be free to deal with the conflict in its tribal areas is only part of the argument for establishing peace in the subcontinent. Much more urgent is the need for India-Pakistan cooperation for winning the battle for democracy, tolerance and social justice. Losses in this battle will plunge the people of both India and Pakistan into unimaginable ordeals.”It is in Pakistan’s interest to ensure that he is not forced by anyone to withdraw his offer.”The Pakistan government too will be under pressure from hardliners in its ranks and outside. Any compromise with such elements will cause Pakistan irreparable harm. Islamabad should therefore press for the earliest possible resumption of the composite dialogue with India.Unfortunately, several new factors have fuelled tension between India and Pakistan. One of them is the way the Ajmal Kasab affair has been dealt with by both sides. The unnecessarily prolonged haggle over Kasab’s confessional statement merely exposed the size of the trust deficit. Was it impossible for India to supply Pakistan with an English translation of the court and police record in Marathi and was it impossible for Pakistan to get this work done?”Pakistani authorities have been accusing India of interference in Balochistan and the tribal areas. One hopes they have much more credible evidence to support their charges than the use of Indian-made weapons by the Taliban in Waziristan or the receipt of some funds by the Baloch nationalists from Afghanistan.”"This matter will assume greater seriousness as India’s relations with Afghanistan are likely to grow with faster speed than at present. If Pakistan succumbs to the temptation of opposing India’s overtures to Afghanistan it will only reduce the chances of normalisation of relations with both Afghanistan and India.”"The significance of the fact that Mr Manmohan Singh chose to extend his hand of peace while on a visit to Srinagar is unlikely to be missed by Pakistani hawks. They will again advance settlement of the Kashmir issue as a precondition for normal relations with India.”"Nobody can deny the importance of the Kashmir issue, especially to the people of Jammu and Kashmir who have been wronged by both India and Pakistan. But the disastrous consequences of sustaining a costly confrontation until the Kashmir issue is resolved are too apparent to permit persistence in this policy.”"While talks to move towards a Kashmir settlement acceptable not only to India and Pakistan but also, and more essentially, to the people of Jammu and Kashmir, should continue, progress or setbacks in this area must not obstruct other initiatives for cementing India-Pakistan friendship and cooperation.”"Above all, peace-loving people in both India and Pakistan are getting weary of meetings and talks that do not result in increasing India’s stakes in a stable and prosperous Pakistan and Pakistan’s stakes in a stable and prosperous India. Apart from giving a boost to India-Pakistan trade it is necessary to think of joint industrial ventures and meaningful cooperation in the fields of agriculture, education, health and culture.”

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Great Blog and thanks for posting.In this blog lot of information and news updates.