Comments on: Pakistan’s conspiracy theories http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: TahirHussain http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-27577 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:57:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-27577 I admire people like Shastri still present in India and Pakistan both, who can think and not try to canoe in river-emotions of Kashmir.

(One cannot make obey and win heart of someone simultaneously, either one could be achieved, but wealth and success only follow where love goes).

But Love between Indo Pak died forever when both slaughtered forefathers of each other in 1947 without giving a thought to children watching these murders; When these children (along with their ideas) will die, reconciliation process will begin (logically).

But it can NEVER happen as Pakistan’s creation is on Ideology (two nation theory), and unless it cease to exist (taking along with it The country Pakistan) India will never be pleased, and should not (I will not if I Be India) and vice versa.

TO BE CONTINUED

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26382 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:38:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26382 Shastri:@Rajeev,Sorry for writing irksome words. What I said was not directed entirely at you. It was more generic. I have seen many Indians who claim things based only on what they have seen and heard.”-That is so graceful on your part to say so. All I can say from personal experience is that North-South gap is fast decreasing. I still do not lose an opportunity to make fun of my Hyderabadi friends as Madrassi and they return in kind. On serious note, I was struck by the number of people in India who think that all Punjabis are Sikhs.@Some would say all Indians are vegetarians. Some would say all Indians are IIT grads. This is mostly out of pride or ignorance or both. My response came from that experience.”–Perhaps they will settle down with time.

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By: chirkut http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26270 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26270 moving away from Kashmir and to the conspiracy theories floating in Pak, here is a link from PDF ( i got it from reuters blog)http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/i ndex.php?showtopic=85988The post is about arrest of dawood gilani a pakistani (muslim?) by FBI and how developments are pointing out to his involvement in Mumbai carnage.Check the original link in the post and the one given in the blog and compare just the highlighted sections.How the poster has tried to paint Jew-out-to-destory-pakistan theme by selectively dropping/adding sentences from the original post…And they talk of disinformation by West!

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26264 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:45:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26264 Myra:Is the whole discussion about Indian Kashmir or are we talking about whole Kashmir? There is a strong need of information about Pakistan Kashmir for a meaningful discussion.I do not know the best way to get a response from you to why Reuters is silent about Azad Kashmir. Many commnets have asked this question but I have not seen a response.If Pakistan Kashmir is peaceful, then it must be easy for journalists to go there and get information.Recently, Kashmiris from POK living in UK officially condemned Pakistan’s 1947 invasion of Kashmir. They blamed Pakistan for the current mess.http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ videos/news/Kashmiri-groups-condemn-Paki stans-1947-invasion/videoshow/5153636.cm sMyra, any word on POK?

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By: Shastri http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26258 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:03:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26258 Rajeev,Sorry for writing irksome words. What I said was not directed entirely at you. It was more generic. I have seen many Indians who claim things based only on what they have seen and heard. And they’d make sweeping statements that what is mentioned does not exist. I have seen Indians argue with each other in front of their American colleagues in grad school when an innocent question would be put by the American. It would be something like, “Are all Indians vegetarians?” I have seen people try to impress the “goray log” with sweeping statements in their responses. Some would say all Indians are vegetarians. Some would say all Indians are IIT grads. This is mostly out of pride or ignorance or both. My response came from that experience. But I have always admired your mature words on this forum.

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By: Dara http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26249 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:05:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26249 Keith,As I was making my comment it did strike me that there would be opposition, but I looked at it coming from the hard line separatists of the Hurriyat, like Geelani, who would probably make calls for a boycott of the proposals etc. which the people of the state would ignore as usual. I did not think beyond that.One thing which intrigues me is that Pakistan’s stand is delightfully vague. It started off claiming Kashmir as its own, subsequently it was amended to azaadi and ascertaining the wishes of the people of Kashmir. As far as I know, no elections have ever been held in the Northern Areas. Moreover, I also remember reading somewhere that the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), which wanted to contest recent elections in POK, was disqualified. It refused to give an undertaking accepting accession to Pakistan. Strange way of ascertaining the wishes of the people of Kashmir.Seems like two different yardsticks to me and that is why I find your views interesting and plausible.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26238 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:21:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26238 Dara. It’s tougher than it looks. If the borders become irrelevant so will the Kashmir dispute. If an Indian Kashmiri can feely travel all over Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan and the rest of Pakistan, yet still benefit from Indian stability and economic might, how much incentive is there to pursue a union with Pakistan? There is a certain segment in Pakistan that understands this. That’s why if push comes to shove they won’t tolerate open borders or anything else that leads to peace. Unfortunately for them, the risks to Pakistan in such a gane plan are huge, as recent events have shown…

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By: Dara http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26211 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:29:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26211 Myra,“If we are going to discuss Kashmir on the blog, then please let’s get past the sterile positions of saying on one side that the UN resolutions must be implemented, and on the other that Kashmir is not disputed.”I think you are doing an injustice to many if not all Indians here when you say that they think there is no dispute. If that were really true, there would be hardly any traffic on this blog. What Indians are saying is that they disagree with Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir. In fact that is what both sides are debating here –their respective stands. Unfortunately it doesn’t go beyond that, because there is no easy solution. We are none of us policy makers.I think the primary reason this problem is so difficult to resolve centers around the very basis of partition. While one side considered religion as the basis of nationhood the other maintained exactly the opposite. Pakistan’s case is primarily emotional based on Islamic bonding, India’s is based on the fact that all religions live in relative harmony, with a few occasional blemishes and also on the legalities of the Kashmir issue. Unfortunately it often seems as if there is no meeting ground between the two approaches.As I mentioned earlier, the approach has to change. Instead of aiming for a comprehensive solution, it may be worthwhile to move with the easier to handle, lesser irritants first as advocated by Musharaff. The Indian Prime Minister took this further when he said that though borders could not be redrawn, they could be made irrelevant. I find both these have merit and carry the seeds that could lead to possible a solution, peaceful and acceptable to all.Look at the optimism that was generated by the mere starting of a bus across the LOC. That momentum unfortunately could not be maintained, the reasons are only too well known and are not under discussion here. I hope it gets back on the rails in the near future. Naive and unoriginal as it may seem, I think this is a way forward.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26210 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:10:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26210 Shastri:@In India people still live in pocket mentality.”-you are vindicating me that theories stay local. But why turn negative by using such words.@Many people in the Northern part of the country consider the whole South to be one entity and treat it as such.”-what’s the need of saying this? Some kind of anti-North stuff! I can give you several examples but I do not see this article needs this. Theories exist, but stay local and the neutral and befitting words are language diversity, large size of India and we do not have a religion to drum beat the lyrics of theories so they do not reach crescendo unless such theories are attractive and all can relate to and there are those.As you would have noticed I am from Punjab, half my family is from somewhere in Maharashtra, stayed in South for 3 yrs, been all over India except NE, Srinagar. There are people like me all over (yes South too) and still they do not know what you said. because stuff is local.

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By: Mortal http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/11/17/pakistans-conspiracy-theories/comment-page-2/#comment-26188 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:37:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4213#comment-26188 Musafir,Pakistanis seem to view Indian Kashmir through the eyes of the Pakistani military establishment & their ‘facts’ on Kashmir are based on the propaganda churned by that establishment. In the mind of an average Pakistani, atrocities are being committed on innocent Kashmiris by Indian troops on a daily basis as hundreds (or even thousands) get raped & murdered everyday. Although, I don’t deny that such deplorable & heinous incidents do occur in isolation, the real numbers are no where near what the Pakistani establishment would have you believe.You object to the large presence of the Indian army in Kashmir but you forget that the reason for their presence are the repeated attempts by Pakistan to invade Indian Kashmir. Do I need to remind you about ‘Operation Gibralter’ conducted by the Pakistani army in 1965, to invade Kashmir & ‘Operation Badr’ in 1999 (which led to Kargil war), when Pakistani army infiltrated Kashmir disguised as ‘Kashmiri freedom fighters’? In light of these repeated misadventures by Pakistan, what do you expect the Indian Govt to do? Just surrender & watch the Pak army take over Kashmir?Even Indians aren’t happy about the fact that kashmiris have to live under the presence of the Indian army but Pakistan also deserves a huge chunk of the blame for it. The valley was peaceful till the late 80s until pakistan decided to dispatch proxy armies (idle after the Afghan war) into Kashmir & bleed India with a thousands cuts. I know you are sympathetic towards the kashmiri muslims but I’d like to know, do you have any compassion for the tens of thousands of kashmiri hindus & sikhs who were butchered or displaced by Pakistani terrorists?

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