Comments on: Pakistan: ditching “strategic depth” http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: South_Asian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27421 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:50:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27421 Nuclear weapons were used once in history and no country can ever use them again. Possession of these weapons does not give a country any extra edge over others globally. All it accomplishes is in-house support for the leadership of that particular country.

Pakistan cannot be talking about exercising the nuclear option at the drop of a hat. Even if Pakistan were ever so foolish to use such a weapon, it would become an instant pariah on the international scene. No country least of all Pakistan which is so dependent on international aid can survive the fallout, UN sanctions of 1998 is a case in point. Pakistani media and its leadership need to be more responsible and less jingoistic.

The use of militant Islam as a means of low intensity aggression against any nation is not acceptable in the post 9/11 world. Pakistan therefore needs to see the writing on the wall, and dismantle these institutions which it has supported so far, to further its influence in the South Asian region. State support for religious militancy is fraught with pit-falls, as interests of a nation state are much broader than the strict and narrow ideology of a religious group or sect. It does not take much provocation for these groups to turn on the benefactor itself, Pakistan is experiencing it today!

Pakistan has to build trust in its neighborhood. It cannot continue being a local bully, teetering on the edge, using threats and nuclear coercion as the new instrument of foreign policy.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27419 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:14:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27419 Myra:

Ahmed M. Quraishi is a crackpot if you know him well. His redefinition of “Strategic Depth” (SD) appears nothing more than an identity crisis of Pakistan. He posits that running away from this neighborhood to Central/West Asia will get Pakistan some respect and position and that religion is not a factor. That’s BS. In any case, other than bomb what does Pakistan has to offer to the Muslim nations he mentioned. Pakistan’s problem of identity crisis is not going to be solved by following one or the other country.

@Although there is a sense of realization within the Pakistani military establishment that the country’s Afghan policy went wrong, there remains a deep belief about the inevitability of Pakistan’s strategic links to Central and West Asia within the institution. This is not propaganda spread by right-wing Taliban-sympathisers within the ruling establishment, rather a proposition sponsored by a pool of eclectic, strategically-oriented civilian and military minds.”

I know one of his friends Zaid hamid who is anything but “eclectic, strategically-oriented civilian and military mind”.
Watch these nuts for their views on Mumbai attack/India. This duo even 1yr after 26/11 is singing the same conspiracy theory songs that it was doing right after 26/11, despite all the evidence in place. Please get this translated if you do not know the language he is speaking.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/11/22  /tss-ahmed-quraishi-with-zaid-hamid/

In the end there is no sound alternative to making some basic peace and having some basic trust built even with your enemies so as not to have sleepless nights each day. This will not happen until Pakistan stops living on freebies that normally are associated with maintaining the (terror) industries of no use to anyone. Going Westward in Asia is not a solution to Pakistan’s problems. Becoming self reliant and building business relations (even without solving all the problems) so that India and Pakistan have stakes in each other good enough not to destroy each other is a more positive approach. AQ’s redefined SD will not bring any liberalism in Palistan but bring in more religion, more wahabbism, more extremism, more polarity in south Asia. Hardly a solution. Having relationship with countries is one thing but that’s not what he seems to be saying.

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By: Magic786 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27412 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:16:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27412 Idiots running around like headless chickens, we havent even been given the little toys yet ha ha…

We need the toosl to do the job maybe the few dozen appaches would be nice but than what would idiots make of them?

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By: mouli http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27404 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:12:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27404 I am amused and stunned that US is still believes pakistan more than any other ally. Drones are best if they are not in the hands of pakistan. You can probably see it quickly in the hands of Taliban and potentially being used against India.

It could be clandestinely taken to china and manufactured in China quickly and sold back to US and possibly other countries around the world at half the price.

I will not surprised if US starts importing it from China and Pakistan the same drone they gave it to Pakistan.

I am sure the US think is smart and they are not fools. If they are they should rethink on the drone being given to Pakistan.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27403 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:47:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27403 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/world/ asia/22gates.html

It seems that the U.S. is adding some sort of strategic depth on one end, by giving Pakistan drones, to gain their co-operation, while asking Pakistan not to maintain enmity with India, how laughable.

Has Gates lost his marbles and thinks he can trust the liars in Pakistan? I have one name for the Pakistan establishment… all…LIARS. Once a cheater, always a cheater and always a liar. One day, Pakistani Army if they engineer another war with India via their proxy strategic depth agitation at India, Pakistan will not hesitate to use reverse engineered Drones to kill Indians.

If Paks want drones, they should provide location of all of their nuclear launch sites, lock stock and barrel.

Fighting the war on terror should not ever have conditions.

It seems that the west and U.S. never want to learn from its mistakes, while handling rogue nations, held hostage to their own armies.

If Iraq is any indicator on how the Right Wing nuts in the U.S. behave, and if Barack Obama fails re-election, the U.S. votership is going to go Republican and those war-hawks are not going to play jumping jacks with Pakistan, the way the current administration is, they will not budge an inch with Pak establishment, they will dictate terms sternly and directly.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27396 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:14:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27396 @In fact, to solve the problems of South Asia, India should be merged back with Pakistan to create a greater Pakistan (as was the case from 10th century to 18th century).”
Posted by hussainahsan

–@India SHOULD be merged back with Pakistan”—-Well, that way Pakistan should become leader of Muslim world and the global superpower. There is no end to imagination and no restriction on dreams. But what you are suggesting is called the nightmare of Pakistanis, who do not want Pakistan dissolving into India to become “greater India”. At a different level, Bollywood is doing that job very well. I can already see Pakistani media quoting Hindi movie lines; so it is happening but does not look like “Greater Pakistan”.

In any case, I do not know about “Greater Pakistan” that existed in 10th century to 18th century, but from the events in 1971 I can agree with you that there did exist “Greater Pakistan” in 1947.

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By: axindi http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27393 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:50:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27393 Very interesting discussion here. In my personal view this problem had been created in 1947 with partition and the only way it can be solved is by the re-integration of the sub-continent, through a fast track SAARC union, with Myanmar in it if possible. India is the biggest player and the biggest looser in the region if it does not make this happen. Can the Hindu elite share ruling power with Muslims, that is the big question that broke things down in 1947 and is still haunting the region. Now things are spiraling down to ever more complications, but there is no alternative but to go back where it all started, albeit through a different vehicle like SAARC union. British strategic shortsight and Russian treachery also played in handing over Xinjiang and Tibet to PRC and finally the breaking of the subcontinent created this cauldron of trouble. Xinjiang and Tibet has been lost forever. Pakistan has been pushed to a corner to have no choice but to deal with the devil that is China, so it is India and only India’s responsibility to change that reality and bring wayward Pakistan back to homeward bound, this must sink in Indian leadership and only then through unilateral moves from the Indian side we may see some change. Blaming Pakistan for India’s travails will not help one bit, if India wants to secure its own and its regions future then it must take matters in its own hand, not by force, but with tact, diplomacy and charm offensive. And the global powers such as the US and EU must make it their priority as well, to stabilize the region. This will be much cheaper than sending half of US Army in Afghanistan, which only further complicates the situation on the ground.

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By: hussainahsan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27383 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:19:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27383 I think there should be a debate in Pakistan about strategic depth. Only then will successive policy makers and the general public would be able to own its policy.

At the same time, we must not forget that the threat from India to the rest of the region is grave. Apart from spilling terror into Pakistan’s Baluchistan province from Afghanistan, meddling into the internal affairs of countries such as Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, India has slaughtered thousands of innocent people in its own territories (from Kashmir to Gujarat). India should not be allowed to be the regional policeman.

In fact, to solve the problems of South Asia, India should be merged back with Pakistan to create a greater Pakistan (as was the case from 10th century to 18th century).

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By: SunilKumar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27382 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:27:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27382 The Pakistani military and leaders will sell the Taliban to the highest bidders and then will try to justify it to the common people by telling them that Taliban was always an Indian invention anyway. And whats more the Pakistani people will belive them anyway.

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By: Pravinraje http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/01/20/pakistan-ditching-strategic-depth/comment-page-1/#comment-27380 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:41:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4560#comment-27380 For Pakistan strategic depth is, the cheap and mad human resource for the covert wars against India. Most of the afghans in tribal region, bordering are very brave, not literate and are totally radicalized in last 30 year by Pakistan’s ISI through organisations such as Taliban. If these people start thinking logically they can not be used for by Pakistan’s ISI for their innumerable operations in India and Afghanistan. And ISI and Pak army can not afford to loose these cheap human resources who have played great roles in past Indo-Pak wars.

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