On Taliban/AQ ties and the Afghanistan exit strategy

January 26, 2010

british soldierVahid Brown at the CTC Sentinel has a new article (pdf document) out arguing that the relationship between Taliban leader Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden before 9/11 was considerably more fractious than it was made out to be.  The main source of argument was between the Taliban’s Afghan nationalist agenda and bin Laden’s view of global jihad, and in particular his determination to attack the United States, he says.

Based on an account by an insider, he challenges the assumption that bin Laden personally swore an oath of allegiance to Mullah Omar. The account by Egyptian jihadist Mustafa Hamid, better known as Abul-Walid al-Masri, was first published in jihadist forums in 2007 but gained little attention outside specialist websites.

Given the groundswell of talk this week about the possibility of an eventual peace deal with the Taliban it is worth reading closely in the light of the debate about whether they can be prised away from al Qaeda (bin Laden’s son says in this interview with Reuters that there is little love lost between the Taliban and OBL).

Brown notes that Abul-Walid is a Taliban loyalist and his claims should be treated with caution. However the apparent endorsement of his views by the Taliban would suggest that whether or not his account of a Taliban/al Qaeda rift is accurate, they cast light on how the Taliban chooses to project itself today.

“He (Abul Walid) writes that relations between the Taliban and the Arab jihadists in Afghanistan had become more contentious during that year (1998), primarily on account of the escalation of al-Qaeda’s media and operational campaign against the United States. From the outset, the Taliban’s provision of hospitality for the al-Qaeda leadership was limited by two conditions:  bin Laden was not to communicate with the media without the consent of the Taliban regime, nor was he to directly antagonize the United States,” says Brown.

“A number of the Arab jihadist leaders rose in opposition to bin Laden at this time,” he quotes Abul-Walid as saying, “all of them affirming the primacy of the domestic fronts against the Arab regimes, convinced that a shift to a ‘global confrontation’ against the United States was ill conceived.”

 With the relationship between Mullah Omar and bin Laden “worsening by the day”, the al Qaeda leader was supposed to take an oath of allegiance to the Afghan Taliban leader to end the rift. Bin Laden however at first procrastinated, and then sent Abul-Walid to make a vow of allegiance on his behalf – an ambiguous act of proxy that would later allow him to either deny or aver having made the oath depending on which suited him best. 

Of the preparation for 9/11, Abul Walid writes, “Mullah Omar topped the list of those kept in the dark, though it was on his head that all of the catastrophic consequences of that strike would fall, as his regime collapsed along with the Twin Towers of New York. ” The oath of allegiance “turned out to have been an outright deception of the Commander of the Faithful (Mullah Omar), diverting his attention from a dangerous act, plotted behind his back, that undermined his fundamental prerogatives as ruler of the country and threatened the lives and fates of all Afghans.”

Brown concludes that the relationship between al Qaeda and the Taliban may be similar even today, with the former using the latter out of expedience while pursuing policies counter to its own interests.

“In many ways, the Afghan Taliban remain as dependent on support from Pakistan as they were prior to 9/11. Yet it is against this very patron, and under a Taliban banner, that al-Qaeda and its coalition of Pakistani jihadists are waging a bloody campaign of suicide terrorism. Mullah Omar has flatly condemned this campaign, telling his purported “followers” in Pakistan’s tribal areas that they are “bringing a bad name” to the Taliban and “harming the war against the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

“The ‘Commander of the Faithful,’ however, has proven unable to command these particular faithful, and the violence in Pakistan’s cities rages on. This says less about the limits of Mullah Omar’s authority than it does about the expedient nature of the allegiances that al-Qaeda and its partners profess. To achieve its objectives in the region, the policy community must strive for a more nuanced understanding of these allegiances, the purposes they serve, and the underlying tensions they conceal.”

The arguments about whether the Taliban can be prised away from al Qaeda have raged pretty much since 9/11 — from those who say that the United States should have tried to do so more effectively before it launched its war in Afghanistan, to those who argue that the war itself has driven the two closer together.

Until quite recently, the debate has remained largely within the domain of specialists. The new focus, however, on an eventual exit strategy for Afghanistan – in which a display of strength on the part of U.S.-led forces is supposed to help pave the way for a longer term peace deal - makes these details about the Taliban very relevant today.

Do also read Ahmed Rashid in the New York Review of Books on a possible deal with the Taliban.

In his view, recent public statements by Mullah Omar have signalled a greater willingness to negotiate:

“The Taliban’s new tone can be traced to secret talks in the spring of 2009. Sponsored by Saudi Arabia at (Afghan President Hamid) Karzai’s request, the talks included former (or now retired) Taliban, former Arab members of al-Qaeda, and Karzai’s representatives. No breakthrough took place, but the talks led to a series of visits to Saudi Arabia by important Taliban leaders during the rest of 2009. The US, British, and Saudi officials who were indirectly in contact with the Taliban there quickly encouraged them to renounce al-Qaeda and lay out their negotiating demands. In turn, the Taliban said that distancing themselves from al-Qaeda would require the other side to meet a principal demand of their own: that all foreign forces must announce a timetable to leave Afghanistan.”

Pakistan, he says, is pushing for a major – indeed exclusive role – for its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency in brokering any talks.

“How will the Taliban leaders respond? Many of them are fed up with years of ISI manipulation and strategizing on their behalf and would prefer to keep the ISI out of such talks. Some members of the Taliban have built up a rapport with Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security, the domestic intelligence agency of the Kabul government. The NDS and the ISI loathe and mistrust each other, and the NDS would be extremely reluctant to allow the ISI a central part in negotiations. Moreover the crucial acceptance of reconciliation with the Taliban has to come from the non-Pashtun population in the north who are extremely hostile to the Taliban and the ISI. If the northern ethnic groups who make up just over 50 percent of the population do not accept the reconciliation plan, there could be a renewed civil war as in the 1990s.

“But the ISI has power and influence over the Taliban. Not only are the Taliban able to resupply their fighters from Pakistan, and seek medical treatment and other facilities, but the families of most Taliban leaders live in Pakistan where they own homes and run businesses and shops. Taliban leaders travel to Saudi Arabia on Pakistani passports. All this makes them vulnerable to ISI pressure. Even before the US military can consider coopting mid-level Taliban commanders, both sides would have to ascertain how this would play with the ISI.”

It is impossible to believe that the United States and its allies would be willing to hand over exclusive control of any talks with the Taliban to the ISI. From Pakistan’s point of view, it would be unlikely to want to deliver on any peace deal unless it is convinced its own interests are taken care of  – including reassurances both about India’s growing presence in Afghanistan, and the security of its own border with Afghanistan - never recognised by Kabul even under the former Taliban regime. India, with memories of Afghanistan being used as a base for Kashmiri militant groups before 9/11, would look warily at any deal with the Taliban which appeared to reassert Pakistan’s influence there.

So there is a long way to go yet. But you might just about be able to argue that after nearly a decade of war (or far longer in the case of Afghanistan), an end may be in sight.

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An end might be in sight for American strategic and face saving exit. As far as the region is concerned, I do not see any end in sight. This is the moment the ISI and Pakistani establishment were waiting for – some half baked arrangement for the American led coalition to exit and then resume their old activities. This is why Pakistan has been objecting strongly to India’s presence in Afghanistan. Prior to Sept 11th, 2001, India’s presence and influence there was almost nil. India supported the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, but it was quite a weak support. Now India is engaged in a number of constructive activities which Pakistan sees as a long term strategy by India to dig in firmly in Afghanistan. Pakistan will need to regroup its elements, gather up the Taliban, restart the civil war to take over Afghanistan and spend an enormous energy and money to regain control of the country. An independent Afghanistan doing its own thing is not in Pakistan’s interest. It is obsessed with India and the paranoia of Indian hegemony in the region. Any end that is in sight will warm Pakistan’s heart more than anyone else’. But things may not be like it was before. If Pakistan restarts its old game, the Taliban might face more fierce resistance from other ethnic groups this time. Afghanistan will roll into another bloody civil war and India and Pakistan might fight a proxy war there to gain control of the region. Al Qaeda messed up Pakistan’s plans in the region and Pakistan has been eager to capture their elements and hand them over to the Americans. It will be interesting to see what Al Qaeda will do. They are not going to be sitting there watching it all unfold. They might go after Pakistan’s leadership and cause chaos there. I am hoping that in that bargain, these elements turn against each other and start choking each others’ throat. Peace will never return to this region because Pakistan will not allow it.

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@KPSingh,

Singh, I think India should continue with its efforts full bore in Afghanistan and also give every opportunity to the Pakistani’s to be honest brokers in a true, real, honest peace, while at the same time, allowing Pakistan to fall on its own knife, while it gets caught with blood on its hands.

India does have huge absorption capacity for terrorist attacks and inhuman resilience and patience and while we can applaud India for that, there will come one day when that will have its limits.

When the time is right, it is not entirely unfeasible that one day a nationalistic gov’t will take over Indian politics and with the right defensive capabilities, they will justify almost anything in the name of stopping terrorism. While that happens, the Republics will also take over, while Obama loses, then you will have two warhawks, ready to take Pakistan apart, piece by piece and they will achieve their objective, if Pakistan choses that path, let’s hope they do not, nobody wants Pakistan to collapse, that is why we keep asking Pakistani’s to be honest people, not lie, tell the truth and be good neighbours it is in everybody’s interest.

Proxy army low level wars are not acceptable. Obama and all subsequent administrations must adapt a zero tolerance policy towards Pakistan’s ISI and PA fueling terrorism onto Afghans and Indians.

If the Paks do not want to take on the Afghan Taliban, they should step aside, and let the American and NATO boots on the ground and take care of it.

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Nothing and ABSOLUTELY nothing can stop Pakistan Army and ISI to maintain influence over Taliban and safeguard Pakistan’s regional interests. In the name of reconstruction, India has done much activities to destabilize Baluchistan and arm and fund terrorists in Pakistan. As the end game nears in Afghanistan, India’s game will be over. No more US/NATO after June 2011 and Indians will be packing their bags and leaving for home from Afghanistan.
@GW
“then you will have two warhawks, ready to take Pakistan apart, piece by piece and they will achieve their objective, if Pakistan choses that path”

-you have some serious misperceptions about Pakistan, Pakistan is PAKISTAN not Afghanistan or Iraq. Pakistan has the capacity to deal with warhawks and external agressors. Pakistan maintains its own well equipped war machinery and men ready to defend the country. So stay humble, India is not all that super power and Pakistan not down in the drain either. And what about NATO and American boots on the ground? you mean on Pakistani soil? You really think NATO or American or for that matter Indian soldiers will step foot on Pakistan with offensive intentions? Who have ever stopped American or NATO troops from crossing into Pakistani border region.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive

“But you might just about be able to argue that after nearly a decade of war (or far longer in the case of Afghanistan), an end may be in sight.” Myra

I would start with the last thought first. The end is in sight, the ‘end’ of course implies an exit. That will come about, the Americans have lost the will to finish what they started.

The London talks are very revealing in one sense. It is probably a different system altogether; yet I would think that McChrystal or Petraeus would have the final word on military tactics and numbers while Hillary Clinton and Gates should be hogging the printlines at London over how to engage the Taliban. That the opposite is happening appears illogical to me.

Be that as it may, I really think that the Mullah Omar – Obama story is not very relevant to events taking place there. As far as my understanding goes, the AQ is more a facilitator and planner/coordinator between groups while the different militant organisations are the operators.

What is very significant,to me, is that those who are talking in London are actually pressure groups pulling in different directions. The West is looking at means to engage the Taliban with the purpose of making a relatively smooth exit. Their plan is to establish some sort of truce between Karzai and the Taliban. This will then enable them to declare ‘mission accomplished’ and depart on a high note. To them the ISI is a means to get the Taliban to the table. For the ISI, they want to be the ones calling the shots and their aim being that their own interests (principally vis a vis India) are taken care of. That is their only interest.

Given these two disparate aims, it seems logical to assume that what will emerge finally will be a patchwork arrangement with promises of good behaviour on all sides (as Mullah Omar has already started doing). That is laying the seeds of even worse times ahead in the not too distant feature.

That Afghanistan will be no better off is not anyone’s issue. I think that should be the end that they should be discussing – not an exit strategy.

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Umair: “You really think NATO or American or for that matter Indian soldiers will step foot on Pakistan with offensive intentions? Who have ever stopped American or NATO troops from crossing into Pakistani border region.”

I’d like to remind you about what the Americans asked Musharraf in 2001 – “Are you with us or against us?” And we all know what Musharraf did. If Pakistani military is as mighty as you claim, I wonder why Musharraf switched sides so fast. Talking is easy. Musharraf knew a lot more about the reality and the repercussions than you do. So made a practical decision. The Americans could have bombed the living daylights out of Pakistan as well. In fact most of the Islamic terrorism has its roots in Pakistan than anywhere else. Afghanistan is a victim of that. Musharraf managed to deflect off the international focus towards the Taliban and saved his nation. In hindsight, we all feel that if the US had gone after Pakistan instead of Afghanistan at the start, this war on terror would have been much more successful. Pakistan’s weapon is not military strength. It is being clever, manipulative and deceptive to fool everyone to the fullest extent. And Pakistan has survived all these years just by that means – hunting with the hounds and running with the hares at the same time. American ignorance has been manipulated to the hilt in this region by Pakistan. We see Pakistan as a double agent. The Americans need Pakistan for their purpose and at the same time want to decimate them. But they cannot. Pakistan has placed itself in that position by crafty means. All it takes is one major economic sanction and blocking of all foreign aid and Pakistan will fall apart. That will soften your country up. There is no match for American air borne attacks that can knock out most of Pakistan’s air defense systems. The same degree of bombing that hit mostly barren lands of Afghanistan would have cause huge causalities in Pakistan due to a higher population density. Pakistanis tend to fall apart when their morale goes down. They start blaming each other and that could have been exploited. A lot could have been done. But the US is a benign and benevolent super power. They generally do not intend doing such things. Sometimes their unintentional actions cause nations to fall apart. Pakistanis cannot chest thump against the US. They are way too powerful even now. They have been nice to Pakistan because of cold war days and much of what Pakistan did in the region did not affect them, until Al Qaeda hijacked Pakistan’s mission.

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@Nothing and ABSOLUTELY nothing can stop Pakistan Army and ISI to maintain influence over Taliban and safeguard Pakistan’s regional interests. In the name of reconstruction, India has done much activities to destabilize Baluchistan and arm and fund terrorists in Pakistan.”
–Umairpk

Umair: you do not want India to interfere in Baluchistan but you do want to support Taliban. you do not want Taliban in Pakistan but you propose to support them in Afghanistan. How hypocritic!

Afghans may dislike Karzai but they hate radical Taliban regime which Pakistan supported. No wonder pushtoons curse Pakistan. How many Pushtoons will be pleased to welcome ISI (which created problems in Afghn) in Afghanistan and love to say bye to Indians in Afghn (who are spending more than billion $$$)? What does Pakistan has to offer to Afghanistan by pushing Indians out?—nothing.

It will be naïve to imagine that the dynamics of Taliban-ISI relationship has not changed. Afghan Taliban does not trust ISI like it did earlier and is suspicious about ISI. Last time Pakistan made U-turn and got Taliban bombed by US which had to flee into the mountains while ISI/PA sided with US and took a safe flight home from Kunduz. It will be on Taliban’s mind that if Pakistan could screw them once it can screw them again and do not forget how Pakistan bombed its own Talibans- the TTP.
Can Pak support Taliban financially if need be?—does not appear so. In last 8 years Pakistan did not get any richer and got its arm twisted by K-L Bill which PA generals cannot ignore and if they do risk cutting the future aid and inching Pakistan towards infamous tag. Pak is already been labeled a “country of interest”.

Taliban, in power sharing mechanism, will be made accountable for Afghanistan. It will be naïve to see that Taliban when involved in power sharing will not be asked to sign such basic deals as no more running terror camps, no alliances with terrorists, no destructive alliances with any foreign power and no destructive purposes of rebuilding projects (like Indians and others have been doing)? Taliban loses nothing by signing this if they are in power.

NATO exit does not mean fewer worries for PA from militants in Pakistan? It will be ridiculous to imagine that Af-Taliban will befriend Pakistan who bombed Taliban on the other side of Durand line? That also means re-emergence of TTP power in Pakistan and rise in Islamic fundamentalism. Seeds have been sown and Pakistan has to be careful for which road to take.

Assuming Taliban is receptive and Pakistan is reckless enough and siphons off aid to Taliban for anti-Indian activities, it is easy for India to draw you into keeping up game of “strategic death” by making you spend more than you can afford, dragging Pakistan from any possible recovery. Needless to mention that with all this Pakistan’s image will not get any better and further aid will stop. India can play this game but it is up to 180 million strong Pakistan to decide its priorities—whether to support Taliban in neighboring country while they hate Taliban in their own country or work at development of Pakistan. With addiction to free money that Pakistan has got, how about self-sufficiency as strategic depth for a change?

Did you read this from Ahmed Rashid
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23630
“Despite all the sacrifices it has made for the Afghans over thirty years, supporting them against the Soviets, Pakistanis are now friendless in Afghanistan—except for the Afghan Taliban, who are more wary than friendly toward the ISI.

“To regain influence in Afghanistan and drive the Indians out once the Americans leave, the Pakistan military could, as an alternative, back the Taliban in a plan to retake Kabul and set up a government that would do Pakistan’s bidding. However that possibility is now too risky; the international community would never tolerate it, and such a regime would also provide a base from which the Pakistani Taliban could launch further attacks in Pakistan.”

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Mr. Singh first of all I must appericiate you and your whole nation that you guys are wonderfullin script making especially against pakistan either it may be Bombay Attacks or samjhota express. I cannot understand that why for more then Last 60 years you Guys cannot accept Pakistan. sincerely whole heartedly and trully?Now be clear about one thing that a peacefull and prosperous Afghanistan will lead to a prosperous Pakistan we are interconnected for centuries socially religiously and ethinically,So Pakistan will always be the first after Afghans to have peace in Afghanistan. If there is Peace in Afghanistan our economey will get a breathning space as the Load of Afghan refuges will be no more. We would be excessing the new markets Like Azerbijan etc. but on the other hands does this bussines is also ment by Indians with due respect No. because they want an unstable afghan where in the name of Cultral Centers they can run the terrorist nurseries where they can get Low cost workers working for there agenda to Destable Pakistan either in Balochistan or any other part of Country. So its still a time to come out of this mission and truly opt the Policies of Humanity.Why do you want to be in an Arms race just think of that large majority of your living under the income of One dollar isnt it good that the money you are spending on such air carrier war ships spend on them whom you are afraid off remember Pakistan will never be the initator of any Dirty Game.

Posted by Muhafiz | Report as abusive

@Singh
Atlast,the “Super Powers” are looking towards ISI, the organization that was ROGUE.If Taliban could be Eliminated with destroying Pakistan why they are Exiting. They have spent Billions and Billions on the War but at the end “Took a Finger in Their Ass”. Imagine USA,UK,FRANCE,GERMANY,CANADA [Nato] all gathered up in Afghanistan to Eliminate some Talibans and now want an exit with some Face Saving.

Lets be fair, Taliban has no proper army no tanks no air force and not a NUCLEAR ARMED STATE. They couldn’t handle that. They did carpet bombings but………. in your view Pakistan will be a Toast. And if Americans attack Pakistan, China will have some Tea and sit back and will let America destory their close regional partner and sit at thier Heads. Funny Na.

Now whenever Pakistan said in response to alleagation of Afghan Talibans in FATA that lets Cut the Dewrond Line with Fence. Who denied. If Pakistan is allowing infiltartion from their end what the Fuck the Most Technologically Advanced Super Powers are doing on the other side. They should stop Talibans approaching Afghanistan from FATA. Why they can’t. And if they Travel to Qnadhar or NangarHar, 75% area lies in Afghan region. Are their Men and Instruments become Blind.

Another Note: If America and Nato is sitting in the neighbourhood of Soviets, Chinese and Iranians, they will not deleiver Cakes to Nato Men. Also, USSR was split into Parts in Afghanistan using Talibans by USA. Who were recieved in USA using Red Carpets. Why should not Soviets take revenge.

Also US left us alone to handle Talibans after Fall of Russia. What shold we have done? We should have take benefit and we did.

There is only on solution to the Problem. Kashmir Dispute should be resolved. Then regional peace would evolve. else our Establishment will use Jihad as a Foreign policy tool.

Posted by EngineerHead | Report as abusive

Mr. Muhafiz,

Let me disect your points here and clarify my views. Hope you will have patience.

“you guys are wonderfullin script making especially against pakistan either it may be Bombay Attacks or samjhota express.”

Please understand that we are not jobless. We are not sitting in India scheming devious things to hurt Pakistan. In general, we have our own issues and want to focus on them. We do not have this much problem with our other neighbors. Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal etc do not rub into us as much as Pakistan does and vice versa. Neighboring countries have issues and disputes and that is very normal. They should not be misconstrued as having problems that need to be settled by war. When New York was attacked, the US launched an immediate military offensive. Pakistan was on the line of fire too, but Musharraf managed to save your skins in the last minute. India was attacked repeatedly by similar terrorists in Mumbai, not once. Nov 26th 2008 attack was the lastest one. And India has not gone to war with Pakistan yet. We have asked for help in nailing the culprits and put an end to their operations inside Pakistan’s soil. Pakistan has dragged its feet on this, first denying it outright and then trying to delay the process of investigation. Only pressure from the US could push Pakistan to do something. So understand our level of frustration. Pakistan is very prompt in nailing Al Qaeda operatives and handing them off to the US. But when it comes to India, there is no cooperation. So we have every right to complain. You may not like it, but please see it from our view point.

“I cannot understand that why for more then Last 60 years you Guys cannot accept Pakistan. sincerely whole heartedly and trully?”

We have accepted Pakistan. It is the paranoia in Pakistanis that has sustained the fear that India does not recognize its soveriegnty and has been scheming all the time to destroy it. And this fear has been propagated by your military in order to align all elements behind them. So the problem lies with Pakistanis and not Indians.

“Now be clear about one thing that a peacefull and prosperous Afghanistan will lead to a prosperous Pakistan we are interconnected for centuries socially religiously and ethinically,So Pakistan will always be the first after Afghans to have peace in Afghanistan.”

Undestood. However, we do not see it that way. Pakistan wants to control Afghanistan remotely for its own strategic interests. It created the Taliban from that stand point. Unfortunately Al Qaeda got in the way and hijacked Pakistan’s plans. The peace that prevailed under the Taliban is not desirable to anyone. Pakistan did not mind that. But when Taliban began to spread into Pakistan and impose the same “peace”, your military went to war with them. This is injustice. You have one rule for yourselves and another for others. Afghans have suffered from this arrangement. And they will not be at peace with Pakistan as a result. May be the Taliban led government might be friendly with Pakistan for its own survival, but not the people.

Will continue in the next post..

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Continuing..

“If there is Peace in Afghanistan our economey will get a breathning space as the Load of Afghan refuges will be no more. We would be excessing the new markets Like Azerbijan etc.”

All this sounds wonderful and we all wish this becomes real. We want Afghans to live in peace and trade to spread everywhere. Let us hope this happens.

“but on the other hands does this bussines is also ment by Indians with due respect No. because they want an unstable afghan where in the name of Cultral Centers they can run the terrorist nurseries where they can get Low cost workers working for there agenda to Destable Pakistan either in Balochistan or any other part of Country.”

India does not harbor such evil ideas. Without any verification you are alleging all kinds of things about India while asking Indians to accept Pakistan. Why this double standard? Mind you, India is in Afghanistan to build goodwill. It cannot do anything on its own without the approval of the American led coalition there. If India is engaged in any subterfuge, the CIA will know and by now there would be condemnations. India’s efforts are being appreciated by everyone excepting Pakistan.

India has issues with China and we look at them with suspicion too. Can we say that Chinese activities inside Pakistan are only for destabilizing India? Can we campaign for throwing the Chinese out of Pakistan? We have no rights to do that. Likewise, Pakistan does not have the rights to tell Afghans that India cannot work with them. It is a sovereign nation and looks like you do not recognize that.

“So its still a time to come out of this mission and truly opt the Policies of Humanity.”

Our mission in Afghanistan is to help build the needed infrastructure that has been destroyed by decades of civil war. We have built roads, hospitals and schools. I think you Pakistanis should appreciate that. When Pakistan had 100% involvement there and India had 0%, women were beaten up, denied education, and people were amputed and executed in public in Afghanistan. Tell me which mission is desirable?

“Why do you want to be in an Arms race just think of that large majority of your living under the income of One dollar isnt it good that the money you are spending on such air carrier war ships spend on them whom you are afraid off remember Pakistan will never be the initator of any Dirty Game.”

Our arms race is not with Pakistan. We need to keep up with China. We are comparable to them in many ways and it is important for us not to be found deficient from military security stand point. We went nuclear for that reason. All our modern weapon upgrades, destroyer ships etc are to counter China’s threat to us. We do not trust the Chinese much and there are historic reasons for it.
However, Pakistan has a problem of seeing itself as equal to India and has been trying to keep up pace with us. This had led to your country’s miserable economic condition. Please understand that your country is not equal to India in any possible way. We have our issues and needs. We cannot compromise on one for the other.
If Pakistan minds its own business like our other neighbors do, we should have no problems. Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh are not racing to build nuclear weapons and IRBMs. Nor do they arm and train militants to sneak into India and attack our people. Bangladesh has a Muslim population comparable to that in Pakistan. See the contrast? There is a recognition in them about where they stand relative to India and they mind their own business. But has Pakistan done that? There have been four wars and every time Pakistan has been the aggressor. There are militant camps specifically aimed at attacking India.

At the end of all this, please realize that Pakistanis have a huge ego problem. It is actually your countrymen who do not accept India for what it is. You want to be masters of the region and your limitations are showing as a result. Please do introspect on this.

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Continuing:

“If there is Peace in Afghanistan our economey will get a breathning space as the Load of Afghan refuges will be no more. We would be excessing the new markets Like Azerbijan etc.”

Agreed. This is a great ideal and let us all hope this is the way things shape up in the future. Now let us look at your further unnecessary doubts.

“but on the other hands does this bussines is also ment by Indians with due respect No. because they want an unstable afghan where in the name of Cultral Centers they can run the terrorist nurseries where they can get Low cost workers working for there agenda to Destable Pakistan either in Balochistan or any other part of Country.”

Prior to 9/11, Pakistan had 100% involvement in Afghanistan and India had 0% in the country’s affairs. After 9/11, India has been engaged in building roads, infrastructure in terms of buildings, schools, hospitals, power plants etc. This is well known and is recognized by the international community, except for Pakistan. We are looking for any acknowledgement or approval from Pakistan for our efforts as we do not see the need for it. India has four consulates in Afghanistan. If India was engaged in any evil activities while the coalition led war is going on, it would have been brought to the attention of the US. India cannot engage in any such activities without the knowledge of the US. But it is well known that Pakistan has used the ISI-Haqqani network to blast the Indian embassies twice. So the world is clear on what India and Pakistan are doing in Afghanistan. The rest are mere allegations from Pakistanis with no evidence. No one in the international community has raised anything against India’s involvement in Afghanistan. India’s efforts have been appreciated. Pakistan is the one denying trucks going between India and Afghanistan through its roads. If Pakistanis raise empty concerns, no one is going to pay attention.

“So its still a time to come out of this mission and truly opt the Policies of Humanity.”

Better yet, it would be good if you and your countrymen come out of this self inflicted paranoia and accept India as a decent nation, worthy of being a friend. We are running humanitarian mission in Afghanistan. Unfortunately you do not recognize it and it does not matter to us. Your country’s mission in Afghanistan led to 9/11 and the subsequent war on terrorism. So please do some thinking here.

“Why do you want to be in an Arms race just think of that large majority of your living under the income of One dollar isnt it good that the money you are spending on such air carrier war ships spend on them whom you are afraid off remember Pakistan will never be the initator of any Dirty Game.”

We are not in an arms race with Pakistan. Our priorities are based on keeping military parity with China which is comparable to us in many ways. It is Pakistan which is assuming itself to be a huge nation and trying to keep up with India. So the question must be directed towards you instead – Why are you in an arms race with India? Do countries similar in size and proportions to yours in the region do that? Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Burma etc are not eating grass to achieve parity with us. We have our issues and needs. We cannot compromise one at the expense of the other. And it is entirely our business. No one has the right to tell us what we should do. While telling us about our poverty etc, have you looked at your country? It is living on dole and is at the verge of an economic collapse. No one wants to invest in your country. May be you should stop building weapon stockpiles and start spending that money towards the well being of your people. Please do some introspection and realize that your country is a no-body in international arena. You are not equal to India in any way and therefore act according to your limitations. That is all I can say here. You are small and impoverished nation with no infrastructure and resources. You have no good international standing. Your country has become synonymous with radical Islamic terrorists. May be you should do something about it instead of blaming others.

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Typo in the above passage:

It should read “We are NOT looking for any acknowledgement or approval from Pakistan for our efforts as we do not see the need for it. “

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

@Muhafiz, Umairs and other Paks,

Please get over it, India DOES accept the existence of Pakistan, we are just asking you to reform your behavior and be civilized and honest neighbours and above all, be honest with yourself and honest before your maker. Lieing and blaming others will not save you.

If India wanted to, India could have finished Pakistan many times in the past, but, we felt sorry for your little country. All it would have taken, is a fast and heavy military thrust into Punjabi and Pakistan government would have easily fallen. We always chose not to harm your country, the way your treacherous country has maintained terrorism of all forms on us.

If India had of fomented terrorism the way that Pakistan has on Indians, Pakistan would have been finished long ago. Get over your silly nightmares of green, black ghoulish Indians, hellbent on destroying your country, we are not doing that, nor do we want that, for the record, again, we want you to become honest, forward thinking and change and leave the days of Zia Al Haq behind. Most of all you need to quit your recursive mental illness of allowing and fueling terrorism against us, that is why the U.S. is droning you.

It is upto the people of Pakistan to decide what type of Islam and what type of governance they want. Pakistani choices will determine the overall state of Pakistan, whether it disintegrates and whether provinces separate.

India’s strength is democracy, and above even that, moral, mutual human respect and that latter quality is lacking in the hearts of most Pakistanis, and that is the core of your weakness, your religious and ethnic superiority complex, that will be your undoing and your downfall. It is not too late to change.

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@“I cannot understand that why for more then Last 60 years you Guys cannot accept Pakistan. sincerely whole heartedly and trully?””
-Posted by Muhafiz

—What Pakistan?

@Mr. Singh first of all I must appericiate you and your whole nation that you guys are wonderfullin script making especially against pakistan either it may be Bombay Attacks or samjhota express.”
–Muhafiz: It is all cunning Indian leaders fault who set up the whole thing by RAW and blaming on an imaginary country. Kasab was poor Muslim guy just strolling in Mumbai and Mumbai police caught hold of him gave him AK-47 and then arrested. Poor Muslim guy labeled as a terrorist. How is it even possible? Don;t trust these dark Indians who worship idols. They are so cunning. Pakistan does not even exist just like Al-Qaida is a dummy organization by US. Pakistan is an imaginary land created by Indian govt to scare common people and Kasab is a non-state angel. Yes all these so-called wars waged by Pakistan is all trash—-again created out of nothing to create a monster since that’s what Indians need for their survival. Look at them how far behind they are in science and technology and just escaped the tag of state sponsor of terrorism—all because Hindus are after Muslim’s life. All the worlds 75% terror attacks are plotted from India–also against Afghanistan who hate Indians and baluchis who feel it is better to love imaginary Pakistan than these cunning Indians. Look at this IPL episode. What bigger evidence one needs that Indians cannot even tolerate non-state players from an imaginary land. Permanent council of Allah/Parmatma/Jesus/Waheguru/Budha is watching these cunning Indians who know nothing than terrorism and violence. They are the root cause of the problem.

Posted by RajeevK | Report as abusive

@RajeevK — Nice Note mate. First Guess you are not definetly not for India or Pakistan. You are totally out of the way here as this looks just out of some newspaper article. by the way. Kasab has First pleaded guilty and now he has changed the stance. Well Kasab has the right to defend himself, so please stop. Also remember, one is not a thief until caught and proven and don’t tell me that in your place people donot try to manipulate LAW, if so.. mate you are in heaven.

Second: “Permanent council of Allah/Parmatma/Jesus/Waheguru/Budha is watching these cunning Indians who know nothing than terrorism and violence” . Good to see you captured all religions. If what you said is to be believed, then why is that no one is giving proof. Last time we heard a Pak Gov official saying we have proof Indian involvment in Baluch activities and it will be soon be given to Indian Gov. Well not heard from him since then.. Still waiting.

Third: “Pakistan is an imaginary land created by Indian govt to scare common people and Kasab is a non-state angel. Yes all these so-called wars waged by Pakistan is all trash—-again created out of nothing to create a monster since that’s what Indians need for their survival”
This is a most dum point I have heard. I did read this bolgs for sometime now and did see you putting across some nice debates. Buddy i should say you have totally lost it. It must be a Fantasy or a sci-fi thing for you.. For us it is very very real.

Posted by Ommi | Report as abusive

Just to digress:

Indian space program from wiki:

Planetary Exploration

The Indian Space Research Organisation had begun preparations for a mission to Mars and had received seed money of Rs10 crore from the government.The space agency was looking at launch opportunities between 2013 and 2015.[20] The space agency would use its Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) to put the satellite in orbit and was considering using ion-thrusters, liquid engines or nuclear power to propel it further towards Mars.[21] The Mars mission studies had already been completed and that space scientists were trying to collect scientific proposals and scientific objectives.[22]”

–>Please do not send any Kashmiri militants into space or any of our future space stations.

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@ G-W
“If India wanted to, India could have finished Pakistan many times in the past, but, we felt sorry for your little country. All it would have taken, is a fast and heavy military thrust into Punjabi and Pakistan government would have easily fallen.”

-My dear Indian friend, I am absolutely amazed at your stupid childish reasoning. Lets talk about reality here, Indian Army has a doctrine of cold start while in response Pakistan Army follows a doctrine of offensive defense. Which means a proactive defensive which is offensive in nature. If in the past Pakistan military has undertaken military campaigns against India such as Operation Gibraltar or Kargil assault, or the Indian Army has scored any victory in 1971 that has nothing to do with Pakistan falling apart. With a strong Army and an efficient Air Force, armed with nuclear weapons and ballistic missile systems, Pakistan will simply break the backbone of India. Are you aware of the destructive nature of nuclear weapons? do you know how largescale destruction can be caused? Can India withstand a nuclear strike even though it would retain a second strike status. So you dont need to feel sorry for Pakistan, you better help yourselves as Indians. In any future military confrontation with India, Pakistan is more than capable to not only defend itself but also mount a beffiting response.
Nice Indian government sanctioned Rs. 10 Crore for Mars exploration and space program. Do you need the Pakistani government to donate a couple of Crores for the Mumbai slums and your disease ridden poverty striken backward areas?
All you Indians have is a hatred for Pakistan, why is that I do not know. Maybe you can shed some light.

India is reaching space, and how many Indians are dying of disease and hunger, how many have access to healthcare and education? how many are living below the poverty line? how honest are Indian politicians, where democracy is a mockery? put your house in order before you reach for the stars.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive

My dear Pakistani cousin, you suffer from a lack of comprehension, like your bretheren and countrymen. If you listen to what I said, I said “IN THE PAST”, that meaning before you guys even got nukes, India, if it chose to, it could have easily defeated Pakistan as India had overwhelming superiority, in every aspect of its military. Today, right now, India has no desire to invade your country and nukes are not even in the equation, if Pakistan were to use even one and that being pro-actively, rogue, or otherwise, Pakistan would not last a day longer, so enough said on the nuclear rhetoric, that is a dead conversation. The point I am trying to make is, is that all the 60 years, you Paks have wasted your energy bleeding us, but actually to hurt another means to actually murder a part of yourself. You Paks lack any sort of human forsight or wisdom of Karmic retribution, it is beyond your simian puny cerebral cortex.

Russia, China, the U.S. has reached space as well, as they also have hungry people, it just shows that some can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time, while Pakistani Army bleeds the potential of its own people to suit is own selfish business interests and begs for cash and internationalizes all of its shortcomings and follies. Yes, India has a lot of poor people, it is a multi-factorial problem, but there is also a huge psychological human barrier that some of them must overcome, anything is possible to achieve, if the human heart believes and one’s aspirations are true and honest to serve oneself and one’s brother in a productive way, God will not deny them progress.

The only way that Pakistan would break the backbone of India, BTW, is if it foolishly in a nightmare scenario, of some kind, pre-emptively launched a crippling, unprovoked nuclear attack, in an attempt to blindside India. I do not know any God, Allah, Rama, Jehovah or otherwise that would from his heavenly wisdom and heart, would condone or be happy and the death of millions of his children, so please stop the foolish nuclear rhetoric, it is cretinous, just accept the fact, India has been a better neighbour to Pakistan than Pakistan has been to India and move on.

Yes you do have a strong and army, be proud of it, so be it, but your Army is not apolitical and too religiously biased to be an effective and truly neutral protector of its citizens. Your Army can’t decide if it wants to embrace the warped aspirations of the past or forge a new future in a modern, intelligent world.

As for Indian politicians, yes the corruption there is horrible, it is an affliction in the subcontinent, your all weather friend China executes corrupt officials, BTW and has ZERO democracy, BTW, in case you did not know, Russia has rampant Mafia. Do you have any criticisms of China, or only praises for the human rights abuses from the Uigher Muslims to Buddhists and appalling record on the environment, everything from poisoned children’s toys and food to poisonous construction materials in the homes of Americans? China is being very careful as well, with all the ethnicities there, China has the potential for disintegration as well, if it does not democratize and treat all religions and cultures equally, yes, I do think they should treat muslims better there, I do not think I will hear you advocating for the treatment of the dwindling and subverted Hindus in Pakistan.

India is far from perfect, but we acknowledge that, but never let our shortcomings stop us from looking to the future with hopes and dreams of improving.

You Pakistani’s are busy fighting with one another over religious politics and in-fighting, that is why you will one day fail and are failing, you Pakistani’s are mostly incapable of reforming.

All that we see is that you think if you keep doing the same thing over and over again, making the same mistake over and over again, that you think, you might have a different outcome. Its like banging your head against a wall, hoping something different will happen.

We Indians DO NOT hate you Pakistani’s, hate takes too much energy, we pity you.

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

Umair,

Undoubtedly India will have a tougher time in Afghanistan if and when NATO pulls out. But I wouldn’t be so confident or cocky about Pakistan’s future.

The aid Pakistan is surviving on is only coming because NATO is next door and Pakistan’s stability is in the strategic interest of the mission in Afghanistan. If the West leaves Afghanistan, you can bet nobody is going to care how many people starve in Pakistan or how many bombings there are in Karachi or Is’bad or Lahore. When the last American soldier leaves Afghanistan, so will the last CNN cameraman and that will be the last the world will hear about Pakistan, except for the odd news item of a terrorist or terror threat linked to Pakistan. That’s reality. Actually, that’s pretty close to reality today. Hence the new screening requirements for Pakistanis travelling to the US. Just wait for the EU and maybe even the Gulf countries to follow suit. Pakistan’s isolation is only going to get worse. If events keep going in this direction, Pakistan is on its way to becoming another North Korea.

If I were you, I’d be worried about the future of my country, instead of constantly worrying about how big your stick is compared to your neighbours. The world will engage India because they have to. Pakistan will fade into insignificance because Pakistanis have chosen that path. Nobody is going to be bothered with a country now known internationally more for exporting terror than anything else. Seriously, ask the common man on the street anywhere outside your country what Pakistan is known for and you’ll get a surprising answer. Hint: it won’t be nuclear weapons. And the answer will be the same in Muslim countries too.

When the Americans leave, there will be a few options. Most likely they won’t leave in 2011 in so much as they’ll draw down. They’ll leave a few thousand special forces and the Predators in place to keep whacking Al Qaeda. Drone attacks will continue in Pakistan. And so on. Or if they really leave, the US will decide that it’s had enough of Pakistan’s duplicity and cut off all aid. Despite your bravado and national pride, I am sure you know that this would be absolutely disastrous for a country that does not have a self-sustaining economy. Or maybe the Americans will keep making token aid payments as long as you hand over the odd AQ senior official. That’s the best case scenario. Either way that’s a bleak picture for Pakistan.

And that’s all about the Americans. Everyone else? As soon as the mission in Afghanistan is done, they’ll be home and Pakistan will be a distant irritant/memory. Trading with India will be their priority. Even for the Chinese, increasingly, they’d rather trade with India than worry about being dragged into some petty rivalry over a patch of Himalayan rocks (that’s really what the conflict looks like to the Chinese). They might keep Pakistan afloat. But there’s no way they’ll bankroll Pakistan to the extent the Americans did. This is why I am always amazed that Pakistanis will praise the Chinese yet complain incessantly about the Americans who have given more in a few years than the Chinese would in a lifetime.

As for the Indo-Pak contest, it’ll slowly peter out as Pakistan descends into chaos on its own. India doesn’t have to do anything militarily to Pakistan. Nor do they really need Afghanistan either. Pakistan is tearing itself apart on its own. You can blame India for your troubles in Balochistan and stick your head in the sand. But if and when the Indians are out of Afghanistan, that excuse will be exposed for what it is. And the abuse that the Balochis have taken is unlikely to dampen their distaste for the Pakistani federation. The same goes for the Pashtuns and increasingly the Sindhis and Kashmiris too. Pakistan is coming apart at the seams. It does not need Indian involvement to do that. And the best part of it is, that every Pakistani (like you) will keep blaming India right until the day Pakistan comes apart because you just can’t accept that your country’s own flawed policies have brought you to where you are today. Your delusions are no better than those Indians who blame Pakistan for each and every terror attack (and ignore all domestic issues).

And that’s what makes me upset. It is frustrating to watch a country tear itself apart. No group of people has done more to damage Pakistan than the Pakistanis of today. That’ll become patently evident when all the supports covering up Pakistani intransigence and incompetence are removed as international aid dries up.

Posted by kEiThZ | Report as abusive

Muhafiz,

Go to Afghanistan. Stand at the top of a building and yell out, “I am Pakistani.” and see how the locals react.

Pakistanis and Afghanis are only friends in the minds of Pakistanis. Heck, when the Pashtoons inside Pakistan barely have any love for Pakistan, what makes you think the rest of them on the other side think that highly of your country?

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an India withstand a nuclear strike even though it would retain a second strike status. So you dont need to feel sorry for Pakistan, you better help yourselves as Indians. In any future military confrontation with India, Pakistan is more than capable to not only defend itself but also mount a beffiting response.- Umair

Obviously, GW was talking about the past…the pre-nuclear era. And he’s right. If India really, really wanted to destroy Pakistan today, they could simply start supporting the militants already active in Pakistan. It wouldn’t take much. And those nuclear weapons would be useless. Remember the payback Pakistan got for supporting Punjabi militants in India? It didn’t take the ISI long to cry “uncle” in the 80s. Today, it’d be far, far easier for RAW to break Pakistan.

You should be grateful that all those conspiracy theories about RAW running all over Pakistan are not true. If they were, you’d be in real trouble.

Posted by kEiThZ | Report as abusive

@Umair: “Lets talk about reality here, Indian Army has a doctrine of cold start while in response Pakistan Army follows a doctrine of offensive defense. Which means a proactive defensive which is offensive in nature”

And what exactly is that ‘doctrine’ followed by the Pak army called, whereby it supports terrorism in India, Afghanistan, Iran, west etc? Do you have a name for that ‘doctrine’?

@ “Are you aware of the destructive nature of nuclear weapons? do you know how largescale destruction can be caused? Can India withstand a nuclear strike even though it would retain a second strike status”

I haven’t been on this blog for a while but I see that you’re still thumping your ‘nuclear’ chest. I thought you might’ve learned a thing or 2 but I guess not.

@”Do you need the Pakistani government to donate a couple of Crores for the Mumbai slums and your disease ridden poverty striken backward areas?”

That’s a really funny statement or maybe you suffer from selective amnesia. Lemme help you regain your memory. Google the following: ‘Kerry Lugar bill’, ‘Friends of Pakistan’ oops I mean ‘Friends of DEMOCRATIC Pakistan’, ‘IMF funded countries’, ‘Failed State Index’. You can start with these for now.

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kEiThZ:

Long time no see my friend, welcome back to the blog. I have some good news. The tourist resorts are luring people back to Swat and South Waziristan has been clenaned up by Pakistan Army. Didint i tell you Pakistan Army campaigns will be successful, and yes they are. Suicide bombings have reduced much and urban cities have seen some improvement in security. No doubt the challenges are there, but still Pakistan is not falling apart as you say or think.

” Actually, that’s pretty close to reality today. Hence the new screening requirements for Pakistanis travelling to the US. Just wait for the EU and maybe even the Gulf countries to follow suit. Pakistan’s isolation is only going to get worse. If events keep going in this direction, Pakistan is on its way to becoming another North Korea.”
- So what? If US doesnt allow or Canada doent allow Pakistanis in, its not that every other country will refuse. You believe me, there will still be countries in the world who will be willing to accept Pakistani students and ready to do business with Pakistan. So much for isolation, the worlds second largest muslim nation, Pakistan has a global diplomatic presence from Ottawa to Washington to London to Canberra to Pretoria and so on. Pakistan is a member of international community and will play its role in everything from counter-terrorism, peacekeeping, climate change, nuclear disarmamnet and so on.

Pakistan coming apart is your mere fantasy, with a bloody 2009 previous year it was the remarkable resilience and perseverence of Pakistanis that is over now. And Pakistan has entered 2010 with much more positivity. Pakistan Army has bluntly rebuff calls by US and NATO to move against Quetta Shura and Haqqani group. Every single official from Gen. McChrsytal to Adm. Mullen to Secretary Gates has been rebuffed by Pakistan. So much leverage on Pakistan for the US aid, Pakistan has suffered losses worth billions od dollars and thousands of soldiers martyred. Still this is not an Iraq or Afghanistan, Pakistan will not falter and fail.
Pakistan today is one of the biggest users of CNG powered cars, it had huge potential for investments in banking and telecom sectors, it has natural resources and skilled people, it has a strategic location and can be a transit point for central asian oil and gas reserves, Pakistan has strategic ports like Gwadar and transnational Karakoram highway which links it to China. Pakistan has the potential of economic growth and most of all its a democracy today where leaders are accountable and there is rule of law. The military is strong and it has a place in Muslim world being a nuclear power.
India has its own prominence, Pakistan itself is no ordinary country and its people have potential to overcome every challenge. So my message to you is same as always, not only Pakistan will not fall apart but also Pakistan will be able to overcome every challenge in becoming a prosperous and stable country.
I am not bothered with new screening for Pakistanis travelling to US, the Americans themselves are having hard time to obtain visas for even diplomatic staff. And also ISI is strictly monitoring the activities of American diplomats in Pakistan. There is surely a trust deficit here.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive

@kEiThZ

You hit the nail on the head. India can implode Pakistan without any real military effort. India just has to keep upgrading its military and not before long, within time, people in Pakistan will be starving and there will be civil strife as people haggle and fight over food and water, while Pak Army keeps upgrading its military with regional grade Army toys.

The Army types and their families living in those gated ghettos in Pindi and Islamabad may want to build their security fences higher, and get bullet proof glass, in those tough times, the “Have Nots” like to break-in for for food and terrorism will continue to spiral out of control.

Security in Pak will begin to deteriorate out of control, as the corrupt and weak police and Pak Army neither are trained in Urban Warfare or Urban insurgencies.

No politicians with the exception of Mr. 10% have the courage to speak out against all the Taliban, the Islamic Extremists and those that cavort with unemployed nutjob Wahhabists, Deobandi and Salafi’s. That is why Pakistan is so screwed, no politician, nor citizen groups have the guts to speak out directly and bluntly, they just all seem to “tippy toe” and play footsie, and lack political will to deal with home grown terrorism.

My prediction is that Pakistan will completely collapse within a decade as they are too busy fighting these low level wars against India in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

Pakistani Army is bleeding Pakistani’s dry and through these proxy wars, while avg Pakistani’s starve. Things are not all that far away there from running down a cliff.

With the exception of cotton t-shirts, masalas spice packages and cricket, nothing truly productive or redeeming has come from Pakistan in 60 years. It is not implausible that the Pakistani Republic will disintegrate into the major ethnic regions, as aid from other countries dwindles. Pakistan may need to change its name to “Punjabistan” Balochis and Pathans and others all want their autonomy and are tired of being oppressed.

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

@UmairPk,

Umair, you need to eat some humble pie my friend. Pakistan exists only because the dynastic banking masters allow it to be.

You really need to find your gratefulness and place upon those financiers. The IMF, the European Banks, the US. Fed and others who loan money.

All of your Army junk can be removed and scraped easily. The Financial syndicates also have limits on their patience for Pakistani excuses, duplicity and repayment.

With nearly non-existent stockpiles and starvation not far down the road, again, you should be eternally grateful to those financiers and the U.S. for allowing Pakistan to remain just living, barely. It is not implausible that Pakistan could always remain a mouse click and a signature away from descending into chaos, once the life support monies are removed.

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@@RajeevK — Nice Note mate
-Ommi:

You are welcome! Loosen up a bit. Do not wait for the suicide blasts to stop for a smile. We know terrorism for 30yrs and you for last few years only.

Begin to appreciate the satire. It too has a meaning which obviously you missed. Serious debate is with those where there is a chance. With Muhafiz no way; he is teenager with a conditioned mind and no ability to take the discussion forward. He came wrote few lines crap, got point by point response from generous Indians but Muhafiz took off without saying a word. Wonder why you did not applaud these Indians.

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@@ Can India withstand a nuclear strike even though it would retain a second strike status”
-Umair

Umair: This is the precise reason the world knows Pakistan for—-the “irresponsible nuclear power” whose citizens take out nuclear sword so often and whose scientists mingled with terrorists and whose agencies proliferated the nuclear weapons like no body’s business. Why I do not see Indians threatening Pakistan with nuclear weapon?

Perhaps you do not know the answer to your own question: “Are you aware of the destructive nature of nuclear weapons?” It’s about time you find the answer to it. A dirty bomb is good enough and you are discussing these nukes.

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