Comments on: On India-Pakistan thaw and the changing Afghan dynamics http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27586 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:58:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27586 Myra:

You said:
“There is a time and a place for everything and back in the days of the Obama election campaign the idea that progress on the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan could help turn around the flagging military campaign in Afghanistan looked plausible.”
—I think you are still in denial that waiting for India-Pak for solving Afghanistan is the worst mistake. That is buying the argument that “progress on the Kashmir dispute” (hope you includes shameless terrorism by Pakistan against India here) is fast enough and good enough to achieve US’s goal in Afghanistan.

If you want to fall for Pakistan’s excuses it is up to you. Why you do that is beyond me because rationale is missing. Your assumption is thaw is enough for turning PA towards Afghanistan. So how do you explain Kayani who says “We plan on adversaries’ capabilities, not intentions”. He means his guns will always be at India no matter what.

What happened to your promise of your photograph in Siachin in Indian jacket with Indian rifle? I am still waiting.

More here:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx  ?264218

http://pakistanlink.org/Opinion/2009/Sep 09/04/03.HTM

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27583 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:04:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27583 Here is B Raman giving a kind of “state of Pakistan” address.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx  ?264218

I cannot disagree with much except I disagree with Raman’s statement “They [Pakistan] have always believed that one Muslim is equal to two Hindus”.

In fact they believe that one Muslim is equal to ten Hindus.

For the sake of objectivity, here is another article on on 1965 war, written by Ahmad Faruqui, Pakistani author.

http://pakistanlink.org/Opinion/2009/Sep 09/04/03.HTM

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27580 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:54:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27580 Alamsha Khan: “True Indo-Pak peace is possible only when RSS-BJP-BD-Deoband-JUD-LeT-Kashmiri seperatists hold a peace meeting.”

This is not fair. You forgot to mention the Shiv Sena. You also forgot the Indian Mujahideen, and SIMI. Please improve your general knowledge by reading reliable newspapers like Pak Tribune in order to post accurate information.

India has started a new peace process with Pakistan. As a friendly gesture, we’d like to give you Bal Thackeray, Uddhav Thakkarey and other Thakkareys as gift. You can offer them to the LeT for target practice. Please let us know when we can ship them. They’d feel at home in a country like Pakistan where people are very spirited in expressing their hatred for others. We also have some leaders like Mayawati, Advani, Narendra Modi, Mulayam Yadav, Lallu Yadav and many others that Pakistan can take and offer Nisha-e-Pakistan awards. Did I forget anyone else? Before you make your offer, thanks, but we do not want your Zardaris and Sharifs. We have plenty already at home. Since Pakistan specializes in scrap picking and recycling, it would help us if you could take our garbage. Thanks in advance.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27579 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:54:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27579 “It is within us” By Kamran Shafi

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/colu mnists/13+kamran-shafi-it-is-within-us-9 20-za-01

“How can Afghanistan become friendly towards Pakistan when there is continuing ambivalence in wholeheartedly targeting the Taliban leadership, both Afghan and Pakistani, which as we well know are closely allied? How possibly can Afghanistan call Pakistan a friend when senior Pakistani army officers refer to these people, its enemies, as ‘assets’?

“On another tack, how can the ultimate leaders of groups that also attack innocent Pakistanis in Peshawar and Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi be the strategic assets of our brass hats?

“How can Afghanistan consider Pakistan a friend when the Quetta shura of the Afghan Taliban which has now been outed by no less a personage than the minister of defence, is not even touched let alone degraded to an extent that it will cease being a threat to Afghanistan? When its leaders openly defy government authority and do as they will in Balochistan, extending their murderous tentacles into Iran too?

“Unless, of course, it is still the case that our great strategists feel that the Taliban, both the Pakistan and Afghan variety, are the only ones who can ensure a peaceful, stable and friendly Afghanistan. If so, they have very bad memories, for they do not have to look very far back into Afghanistan’s sorry history to see how badly this, for want of a better word, scheme, failed so very miserably the last time around, with the Afghan people facing untold tribulations at the hands of a backward and medieval regime.

“How possibly can the Afghans see Pakistan as a friend when they see that their tormentors and the Pakistani security establishment are still friends? No sirs, no, Afghanistan will never consider Pakistan a friend unless those who have made mindless statements about the Taliban being assets retract those statements in totality and without reservation. And far more than that take stringent action against all of the terrorists without exception.”

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By: SunilKumar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27578 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:00:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27578 Alamsha_Karnan writes: Rejection of peace offer will make China very happy and China is a superpower. Good for Pakistan. Get smart, Pak.

Wow, it must really be a tough decision. Who to let be your masters. Americans or chinese.

Well Done Pakistan

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27575 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:27:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27575 @4. Today, the anti-Muslim attitude and the wrong foreign policy adopted by the Brahmins has isolated India in the SAARC region. Advantage Pak.”
Posted by Alamsha_Karnan

–Could you name the “Brahmins” here?

@True Indo-Pak peace is possible only when RSS-BJP-BD-Deoband-JUD-LeT-Kashmiri seperatists hold a peace meeting.
–What a bunch of crap! Do you even know what BJP is? BJP when in power was the one which kick started the peace process. RSS-BJP-BD has nothing to do with anyone across the Indian border–be that Pakistan.

Perhaps you think that making LeT types happy is part of the solution. Then LeT wants its flag on redfort! Perhaps you’ll say India talk to them over this. BS. Who are these terrorists and why do they think they represent a struggle that is foreign to them. May be they can get authorization from Kashmiris first. LeT et al deserves no less than what PA is giving to Mehsud clan and other TTP in Pakistan. Trouble amplifies when people like you reason with terrorists.

It is the state institutions in Pakistan that control the valve of the terrorists and those are the ones need to be talked to.

@ In the abscence of nuclear power, Pakistan would have been easily takenover by the mighty Indo-US-Israeli coalition and would have become another Palestine.”
–Did you ask yourself what were so-called “Indo-US-Israeli coalition” doing before Islamic bomb? Why they did not take over? US was friend, Israel did not care or was part of anti-USSR mission of US/Pakistan and India had no intentions as evident from a liberated Bangladesh.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27574 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:34:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27574 @As I wrote in this analysis, a thaw in relations between India and Pakistan would be too little, too late to achieve results in time for Washington’s 2011 deadline for drawing down troops in Afghanistan.”
-Myra

Myra: Af-Pak link to thaw between India and Pakistan was always an impractical idea—NOW and IN THE PAST. Afghanistan needed quick solution as far as Pakistan’s help is needed in WOT, but thaw of relations between countries is a slow process. All this is such a bunch of crap and spin of such a massive degree that India=Pak issue is becoming handy to explain why Pakistan has been duplicitous and that why US/NATO could not win the fight against guerrillas.

@ Real progress on Kashmir would require them to get back to a roadmap for peace sketched out between India and Pakistan in 2007 under former president Pervez Musharraf.”
–Myra

Myra: Kayani was part of the back channel talks as an ISI chief and if he wants talks can be picked from there. Recently Kayani’s statement that ““We plan on adversaries’ capabilities, not intentions.” just tells that Pakistan has pushed itself into a permanent zone of not being receptive to improvement of relationship since India’s capabilities are always going to be stronger than Pakistan’s.

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By: Alamsha_Karnan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27573 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:13:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27573 ****************************
Verdict: The Indo-Pak peace talks will FAIL eventually. Why waste time?
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Why Pakistan must reject India’s peace offer?.:

Please don’t get emotional. Just think with a cool mind. Pakistan has gained a lot because of enmity with India. Let’s count the benefits gained by Pakistan due to Indo-Pak enmity.

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1. Pakistan was born out of Hindu-Muslim hatred.

2. Pakistan became the sole nuclear power in the entire Muslim world because of Indo-Pak enmity.

3. In the abscence of nuclear power, Pakistan would have been easily takenover by the mighty Indo-US-Israeli coalition and would have become another Palestine. Again credit goes to Indo-Pak enmity.

4. Today, the anti-Muslim attitude and the wrong foreign policy adopted by the Brahmins has isolated India in the SAARC region. Advantage Pak.

5. US/Israel terror enterprise has abandoned Afghanistan. Again advantage Pak.

6. In the past, several times India has rejected all the peace offers by Pakistan. Why can’t Pakistan reject this time and regain it’s lost pride?.
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Pakistan is a frontline state of China and even may allow China to setup a base in Pakistan.

Rejection of peace offer will make China very happy and China is a superpower. Good for Pakistan. Get smart, Pak.

Either way the peace talks will fail and we will be back to square one, eventually.

True Indo-Pak peace is possible only when RSS-BJP-BD-Deoband-JUD-LeT-Kashmiri seperatists hold a peace meeting.

Why can’t Pakistan gain some geo-political advantage by rejecting the peace which is bound to fail anyway?.

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27572 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:07:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27572 Myra,

You have spent considerable analysis on the Pakistani angle and perspective. Perhaps, you could also take this further and give us your analysis on the Indian angle.

Most of us who comment here have given our opinion many times over. Personally I have nothing new to offer. Your assessment of the Indian angle would help in taking this discussion further on different lines than what has been happening till now.

As for the Indian offer and my expectations of the talks; though a supporter of dialogue, I feel the timing is wrong. Obviously there is going to be no quick fire solution (I also don’t really see why a solution to Kashmir should come about to facilitate American expectations either). The main reason for pessimism at this point is because I see nothing positive in attitudes except for maybe Manmohan Singh’s ambition to be seen as a harbinger of great positive change in Indo Pak relations. I think he is going to be disappointed, the rest of India will follow the talks, hope for the best but not with any great degree of optimism.

Pakistan is even now not showing any sign of being sensitive to Indian concerns. In fact some of their officials seem to be simply going out of their way to rub India the wrong way. Public mood in India is such that there is very little patience with bombast from across the border.

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By: SunilKumar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/07/on-india-pakistan-thaw-and-the-changing-afghan-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-27571 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:38:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4661#comment-27571 sorry for the spellings

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