Comments on: “My Life with the Taliban” – on study and Islamic values http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Sulaimanahmad http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-33209 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:14:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-33209 It is late to comment but not late enough to argue. Basically, the topic was not discussing religion but politics and situation of Afghanistan.

I saw comparison between Muslims and Hindus, but why you people don’t compare Islam vs Hinduism. I accept, Muslims are performing a lot of things against Islam but that doesn’t mean that Islam is wrong. Islam is Universal religion the Holy Koran is God words and it is proven that no one has yet changed a single versa in Koran since 1400yrs. Don’t you think for a person like Muhammad (PBUH) uneducated it was a hard job to write such book? I would suggest forget that you’re Hindu, go to bed and think for sometime will you’re sculpture that someone made it for you will protect you when you face Allah (God) how will you answer? Don’t you believe that only one power can manage the entire universal and if there was many so it would have create conflicts among them like read your Mahabarat and other books. Wars of different Baghwans.

My point is not criticizing and persuading anyone for Islam but my point is that do not compare practitioners of religions with the religion. Science has proven that what was written in Koran 1400yrs ago is now discovered by Science. You will probably argue what but I would suggest read the Quran and the modern science

When we say Brotherhood, it is only for Muslims but when we say Islam is the religion of peace then that is for entire human kind. If Islam was by force and terrorism and when Muslims ruled Hindustan for 1000yrs did they forced people to convert to Islam NO. If they used force now you all would have been Muslims and Hindustan would have been named different.

When Jews and Hindu kill Muslims then you say the old story but when anyone do anything if he is a Muslim then Islam did that, It is all Media which made Islam a devil for people and it all started since 1970’s because after second world war why the world power made an Islamic Country of Pakistan.

Once upon a time your Hindu hero’s were called terrorists by British like Bagghat singh, Azad and others so by calling them Terrorists are they now terrorists or freedom fighters?

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27646 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:51:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27646 @I went to a conference last week where people who lived, or had lived, in Kandahar, were speaking. I was quite surprised how many of them had heard ordinary people, including women, beginning to say that life was better under the Taliban, compared to the current set-up.”

Myra:
Well, Afghans were not happy under Taliban when they ruled without any serious opposition. Right now these people are sandwiched between Taliban and Karzai govt. Perhaps that is the main reason. It may not be more about how bad the karzai govt is, it could be that Karzai faces Taliban opposition and people are in the middle. Pushtoons are convinced or scared into Taliban against the govt and the West.

This is common phenomenon that happens when people get stuck in the middle–terrorists vs state machinery and more likely survival instincts tell them to side with the stronger, which happens to be Taliban here. Ask them a hypothetical question what if Taliban does not exist. I guess they will be OK with govt, despite all the corruption.

I will wait for a larger sample size and proper survey to believe anything. But what you said tells the state of Afghan govt.

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By: Folklight http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27637 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:48:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27637 Most religions focus on two things: Learning of God and The living out of that knowledge in daily life choices. It appears many religions attempt to subjugate human carnality, the outward expression of inward brokenness, via rituals and regulations. This tactic may modify behavior somewhat with fear or habit however it is not possible to transform inherited falleness, at the DNA level, by external means or methods. Apart and alienated from the source and power of eternal perfection and holiness; humans reflect the inherited evil within us ALL.

To quote Pascal:

“Doubtless there is nothing more shocking to our reason than to say that the sin of the first man has rendered guilty those who, being so removed from its source, seem incapable of participating in it. Certainly nothing offends us more rudely than this doctrine, and yet without this mystery, the most incomprehensible of all, we are incomprehensible to ourselves.”

(thorough analysis of ‘original sin’ HERE: http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/ 03/001-original-sin-a-disputation-18

http://folklight.blogspot.com/

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27630 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:25:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27630 Myra,

What you mention about how people see life in Afghnistan to-day as compared to the Taliban is a real surprise to me. If that be true, not the opinion of a few who have their own reasons, then perhaps the Taliban are right in fighting the present regime and NATO forces. Is this why the USA went in there, to make things worse? Or is it that the law and order situation is worse for many but life is a little better in terms of freedom to carry on with their activities, see movies, visit beauty parlours and the like?

As far as applying yardsticks from outside, you have a point. Somehow, I cannot, even after so many years, forget the sight of a woman being dragged to the football field and being shot in public. If things are worse than this, then God help Afghanistan. Maybe the rest of the world has a lot to answer for.

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By: NiazMalik http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27629 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:02:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27629 Mr. Dr whoever, If you have gone through the column in detail, you would have noticed “translated and edited by Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn”. The problem with translations along with editing is that they tend to loose their essence somewhere in the way of doing so because it is very hard to find a completely honest and non-biased man of character these days, everybody has got their own vested interests. So, the integrity of this article is suspicious in the first place. Secondly your comments indicate that you are filled with hatred against Islam up to your ears. This is a fact that Muslims have not done much in conveying true message of Islam to the world, but, if you have read some history and consider the contributions of Muslim scientists to the humanity, you will find out that Muslim scientists’ research provided foundations for modern day scientific development. One should not have a tunnel vision like yourself which is completely blinding you of all the good things in Islam and you are focused on the modern day discrepancies only. In fact Islam is a beautiful religion of peace and brotherhood and a complete code of life, no wonder Islam is today the fastest growing religion of Americas and Europe which are considered modern day metropolis of science and intellect.
How are you going to explain this phenomenon?

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By: Myra.MacDonald http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27627 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:16:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27627 @ Dara:

“The current conflict is a political conflict and as such cannot be solved by the gun.”

Coming from a senior Taliban official – the party that ruled Afghanistan only by the gun for so many long years, subjected its citizens to public executions in foot ball fields, burnt schools, subjugated women and was involved in a civil war within its own tribes for years throughout its reign – one can only laugh.

What peace is this man talking about?”

I went to a conference last week where people who lived, or had lived, in Kandahar, were speaking. I was quite surprised how many of them had heard ordinary people, including women, beginning to say that life was better under the Taliban, compared to the current set-up.

Also I’m not sure if we have a proper yardstick for the treatment of women in Afghanistan — it might be the day we see Karzai’s wife in public. I’m not condoning the Taliban’s attitude to women — but at the same time want to be a bit careful about applying standards from outside Afghanistan.

Also any mother is going to put security for her children even before the right to work. You shouldn’t have to make that choice, but right now, that seems to be the one many of them are being offered.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27624 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:03:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27624 @And I do not want to justify what happened in Mumbai 2008 because it was not right. Collectively muslims do realize they need to correct a few things.”
-Umairpk

Umair: You cannot be both. Either you condemn Mumbai attack or state that LeT was hanging in Mumbai to “to correct a few things.”

Let me remind you Mumbai attack killed 40 Muslims out of 160 dead. Cry for them at least. But why would you cry for them since it was not Hindus of Gujarat who killed Indian Muslims it was LeT of Pakistan. So it must be OK acc to you!

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27623 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27623 Umair:

@While in India radical hindu organizations as shiv sena and its supporters are calling Shah Rukh Khan as a traitors and burning the posters of his new movie “My name is Khan” only because he spoke in favour of Pakistani cricketers. While his movie is also showing in Pakistan and people are watching that. So it is all about engaging with each other, trying to create and develop an understanding with each other. Only then we can seek and discover the truth.”
–Umairpk

Umair: I had 1 minute yesterday and so I posted a short post. Here I go again.

So you want to discuss “truth”. But be sincere. You feel angry about Shiv Sena and showing here SRK as an evidence for Hindu Fundamentalism. You did that few months ago too about VHP Togadia by posting a youtube link on Muslim riots in Gujarat India. At least 10 other Indian posters and I criticized Hindu fundamentalism and the event. Perhaps I should have used your bro rationale and told you that Muslims were killed because 50+Hindus were killed and burnt alive by Muslim fundamentalists few days ago and my Hindu bros took revenge. How does that sound? To me that sounds childish. But that’s the way you think. At that time you were asked your stand on LeT type Hafeez Saeed and JeM guy Azhar. But you did not say a word and vanished. Is this teaching of your religion or politics? If it is religion, you have not really incorporated Islam as your “code of life” and if it is politics you are no slippery slope and have narrow vision.

All your thought process lead to the conclusion that you think violent fundamentalists/terrorists like LeT and JeM, A-Q are out there to fix anti-Muslim issues and you are OK with that. So USA India and Israel are bad guys, permanently and those terrorists are good guys for you. This is what it means when you justify violence. You stand with them. It does not need any spiritual enlightenment to know that supporting religious fundamentalism is a problem.

With 50 plus Muslim countries you will continue to be in trouble given your half baked brotherhood concept and ill founded silent indirect support for violent groups. Your class of people is what is keeping this violence alive. This class of people is most dangerous since people in this are not extremists per se but shift in gray zones and take modest to extreme positions whenever they fancy. It has nothing to do with religion. It is politics..

@Yes certainly, Kasab did go on a killing spree in Mumbai, but what is the Indian Army doing in Kashmir? having fun? killing muslims. And what did the Israeli Army do in Gaza in December 2008 google “Öperation Cast Lead”. That is what radicalizes some muslims”
-Umairpk

—First off, Indian Army in Kashmir is not any GOD’s army like you claim for Pakistan. I also see that you being proud of Pakistan Army which in fact has killed more Muslims that Indian Army has. Could you explain here why this differential treatment when you know that Indian Army has gone there to kill terrorist from Pakistan and Kashmiris are sandwiched in this problem. You need to yell at PA first to clean yourself. Second, note that you seem to be thinking that Kasab, a LeT terrorist, did a violent act and that was in response to Indian Army actions. Great support to LeT but no surprise to me!

Have you ever thought about non-Muslim issues in your life? I doubt. If internal Jihad is not your cup of tea it is time you take time off from religion (since that is not helping your thought process).

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27619 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:18:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27619 “The current conflict is a political conflict and as such cannot be solved by the gun.”

Coming from a senior Taliban official – the party that ruled Afghanistan only by the gun for so many long years, subjected its citizens to public executions in foot ball fields, burnt schools, subjugated women and was involved in a civil war within its own tribes for years throughout its reign – one can only laugh.

What peace is this man talking about?

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/02/10/my-life-with-the-taliban-on-study-and-islamic-values/comment-page-1/#comment-27618 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:09:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4681#comment-27618 Umair,

In your example of the Shiv Sena’s attacks against Sharuk Khan being proof of India, unlike the USA, not trying to engage the Muslim world, you are playing into the hands of the Sena and are o off the mark it is unbelievable.

Please read any, I repeat, any mainstream Indian newspaper and please point out how many have applauded the Sena for its stand. Has anyone in the government of India endorsed its stand or been only critical? Please also realise they are a miniscule but vocal opposition party which is fighting for survival. The Govt. on the other hand is bsuy trying to convince people why talks with Pakistan must resume. Would you call that reaching out or what?

Now compare this with what happened when your Jihadi (as opposed to peaceful) Islamic leaders gathered in POK and the total silence on their activity and hate filled hysteria on the part of the government of Pakistan. In fact your foreign minister is on tape, ducking questions on their activities saying he did not know anything about it. He seems to know whatever is shown and said in India but has so little idea of what is happening in his own country! Full marks to him – the perfect ‘foreign’ minister.

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