Pakistan, India and the Kabul attack

February 27, 2010

kabulAs discussed in my last post, the place to watch for developments on relations between India and Pakistan right now is more likely to be Kabul than Kashmir. That may have been graphically illustrated when Taliban fighters attacked Kabul on Friday, killing 16 people, including up to nine Indians.

It is too early to say whether the attack specifically targetted Indian interests or whether it was aimed at foreigners more generally. But India has blamed earlier attacks on its interests in Afghanistan on Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency – its embassy in Kabul has been bombed twice.

“These are the handiwork of those who are desperate to undermine the friendship between India and Afghanistan, and do not wish to see a strong, democratic and pluralistic Afghanistan,” an Indian Foreign Ministry statement said after Friday’s attack.

India invested heavily in Afghanistan after the fall of the Pakistan-backed Taliban in 2001 and has built close ties with the government of President Hamid Karzai.  Islamabad accuses it of using its large presence there (it has four consulates along with its Kabul embassy) to channel money and weapons to militants seeking to destabilise Pakistan — a charge New Delhi denies.

So one question to ask is whether the Kabul attack was an extension of an undeclared proxy war between the two countries in Afghanistan. And if so, what does it mean for their fresh attempt at dialogue begun with a meeting of  their foreign secretaries on Thursday? In such a decentralised insurgency, the Kabul attack was unlikely to be timed specifically to follow those talks but it could sour the mood further. 

And although the Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, Thomas Ruttig at the Afghanistan Analysts Network asks where this would leave the statement made by Taliban leader Mullah Omar that his movement did not represent a threat to any other country. “Does that not apply to India?” he writes. “Or has this attack been carried out by other elements: Pakistani Taleban, the Haqqani network or those linked to groups like Lashkar-e Taiba or al-Qaeda that has declared ‘Hindu’ India a target, too?”

In the meantime, U.S. media appear to be stepping up calls on Washington to do more to try to nudge India and Pakistan back into peace talks, judging by these editorials in The Christian Science Monitor and The New York Times. “The administration knows how important it is for India and Pakistan to lower tensions,” said The New York Times. “At India’s insistence, it has decided to take a low profile role, nudging the two sides discreetly back to the table. It should nudge harder.”

What would be interesting to see, however, are specifics on how they think the U.S. administration should do that given how little leverage it has proved to have had in the past over both countries. More transparency on what Washington thinks is going on Afghanistan in terms of competition for influence between Pakistan and India would be even more useful.

Comments

When attacks happen on indians or indian intrests anywhere its blamed on the ISI. Before even the investigation have even taken place as an indian its a fair accusation. Since Pakistan is percived its enemy no1.

However when countless bombings happen in Pakistan on daily basis from innocent civilans to army Head quarters and its intrests we hardley hear its RAW not at least till the full investigation has taken place.

Thats the difference betwen the two, one (idiots)blindly blames Pakistan even if a bird gets killed in india on Pakistan. On other side its unfair for the Pakistani to blame India for the countless bombings and attcaks agianst its intrests even though India is percieved as enemy no1.

Whos the idiotic one? we all know?!

Hope common sense pervails and not only they agree to meet each but sincerely sort these problems which need to as there is no other way. If not why not be open and heva war get and over doen with!! As some indians are sugesting but no action just talk!talk baout talks”.lol

Posted by Magic786 | Report as abusive
 

However we do know that indians counslates are in full flow working 24hrs agianst the Pakistan… and helping the balouchi anti-pak elements to cause damage to pakistan.

Over 5000 innocent civilans have been killed in Pakistan and if people still want to lecture us and ask us to do more….

I say our leaders should tell them — get a life! Dont dare to lecture us leave it your rooms and read it at bed time if you cant go to sleep. But we can dont need idiotic lectures specially. Talk on the same level or dont bother at all. You do what you like and we will what we like!!

Posted by Magic786 | Report as abusive
 

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Posted by Chip_H | Report as abusive
 

India’s talks with Pakistan should include the core issues of Balochistan and Sindh independence. These people are kept forcibly by the Pakistani military. Durand line’s validity expired in 1993. All Pashtun regions of NWFP should either seek independence from Pakistan or merge with their brothers in Afghanistan. Pakistani military is realizing the eventual separation of these states from its grip. So it is taking desperate measures to create a paranoia of India threatening its existence and trying to keep the different states united using this threat. It will not last long. Just having four embassies in Afghanistan and building roads, hospitals, school etc are giving the Pakistanis shivers. So the next thing to do is rattle the Pakistani military establishment more. They are already blaming India and giving too much credit to the RAW for even tummy aches. India should simply increase this paranoia to a higher level so that these people start shooting each other in mistrust. And that will be good for the region and the world in general.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive
 

You say this may be part of a “proxy war between the two countries in Afghanistan.”

Strange proxy war: India builds roads, electricity grids, and hospitals. Pakistan sponsors militants to blow these up.

Posted by MarkLai | Report as abusive
 

“India’s talks with Pakistan should include the core issues of Balochistan and Sindh independence”…sindh is already independent the president of Pakistan is from there you fool!

Wishfull thinking on idiots side…as useual no material just sleep talking carry on. Only showing true idiot character….

Posted by Magic786 | Report as abusive
 

Given the level of renewed cooperation between ISI and CIA and ISI having its hands already full it is very unlikely that ISI has anything to do with this latest attack that took place in Kabul. Idiots ofcourse will accuse Pakistan whenever Indian interests will come under attack in Afghanistan. Pakistan’s strategic paradigm has shifted greatly, Pakistan Army has offered to broker peace talks between Taliban and US to ensure a face saving exit. To this end, Pakistan is arresting senior Taliban leadership, looking for other ways to exert its influence in Afghanistan. This is a new kind of assertiveness by Pakistan, and Gen. Kayani has offered to train Afghan security forces too. US/NATO have understood that Hamid Karzai cannot be a strategic partner in Afghanistan, Idiots on the other hands placed all their eggs in one basket. Pakistan was smart to manouver things around, but idiots as usual messed up again.
This attack may well be the handiwork of RAW, it wants to trigger a crisis to derail the settlement in Afghanistan and deny Pakistan a central role in post-conflict Afghanistan. Lets see how far the idiots go!

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive
 

KPSingh01 wrote:
“India’s talks with Pakistan should include the core issues of Balochistan and Sindh independence.”

-This is not 1971, this is 2010 and this time around Pakistan is armed with nuclear weapons. Before India can move to create instability in Sindh or Baluchistan, Pakistan is capable of countering that with its full might. Don’t behave like idiots, though you are idiots but i hope not that much that you don’t know the destructiveness of nuclear weapons. Wanna play with fire idiots? surely you’ll burn your hands. Hands off Baluchistan and Sindh.
All Pakistan and China need is to jointly stoke the Naxalite insurgency and off goes the Indian union. And this type of thinking have been depicted in an official Chinese newspaper recently. Watch your backs.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive
 

Umair:

Lets see how far the idiots go!
Posted by Umairpk

Umair: Quite a frequent use of “idiots”!!! You learned a new word from ALI–alias Magic786. Sadly, Magic786 has killed the novelty but then smart people like you have different ideas and use that as some argument.

@This is not 1971, this is 2010 and this time around Pakistan is armed with nuclear weapons. Before India can move to create instability in Sindh or Baluchistan, Pakistan is capable of countering that with its full might. ”
—Nukes are no deterrent for implosions as is the case now in Pakistan. 1971 was also an implosion—surely aided by India. That 39yrs Bangladesh is happier than Pakistan is an indication that they have no regrets for the choice they made and that a nuclear Pakistan could have delayed, not stopped the inevitable. Whether India helps like you and Rehman Malik as you accuse India for attacks or it is happening on its own by highly motivated elements can be left to analysts, but there is little argument that nukes (even if there were in 1971), in 2010 and future cannot prevent implosion-based division of a country. But then “smart country” like Pakistan thinks differently.

@All Pakistan and China need is to jointly stoke the Naxalite insurgency and off goes the Indian union.”
–BTW, China has better things to do and limit their joint ventures even if it is terrorism. They have diverse portfolio. Trade is not Pakistan’s strong point and they do that with India and hurting India is not going to help them a bit. They are not crazy minded like you.
Have a penny in the pocket and then talk because it helps in the end. Looking up to USA and China is not not a matter of self-respect. Chinese will be the first ones to cut Pakistan into pieces if and when they feel the time is right. They have fire at home (Ughuirs) already and know what and how much to do.

Trouble in Punjab and Kashmir has hurt Pakistan more than India over 3 decades, if you do maths.

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Magic786:

@However we do know that indians counslates are in full flow working 24hrs agianst the Pakistan… and helping the balouchi anti-pak elements to cause damage to pakistan.”
–If you are a Kashmiri you have quite double standards about saying anti-Pak elements not pro-Baluchistan freedom elements. But then you are a classic example of hypocrisy and lies based ideology, not rational.

Those what you call “balouchi anti-pak elements” are atleast Baluchi—any day better than “Pakistani Punjabi anti-India elements”. But again double standards and claiming to be for Kashmir-cause.

@If not why not be open and heva war get and over doen with!! As some indians are sugesting but no action just talk!talk baout talks”.lol
–Now that is the real use of word “idiot”. Only an idiot will suggest India to have war with Pak at the time when the outcome is much better without it!!!

Posted by RajeevK | Report as abusive
 

Magic786 & Umairpk are religious fanatics (sleeper cell?) who are hell bent of spreading hate and anger. They are calling all Indians as idiots and boasting of use of nuclear arms.
The authorities should check out these people who are threat to humanity and take necessary steps to make the world safe from such crazy and dangerous people. I sincerely hope all good people of Pakistan are not like these two “Idiots”.

Posted by dfsltd | Report as abusive
 

An idiot’s cry:
“Magic786 & Umairpk are religious fanatics (sleeper cell?) who are hell bent of spreading hate and anger. They are calling all Indians as idiots and boasting of use of nuclear arms.
The authorities should check out these people who are threat to humanity and take necessary steps to make the world safe from such crazy and dangerous people. I sincerely hope all good people of Pakistan are not like these two “Idiots”.”

-fear mongering? blame game? who are you trying to frame? These types of tricks were used to scare the American public by the neo-cons during the Bush days. That is history now, i can only laugh. Which authorities will check out and what? this is called freedom of speech and i am entitled to my opinion, whether i call you an idiot or a stupid or my best friend that is my choice and ofcourse that is based on your behavior. And surely neither me nor Magic786 are idiots, we are Pakistanis.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive
 

Magic>>>>> When ever there is attack in India or on Indians people come to conclusion on blaming Pakistan.

Well Magic that is true because 90% of the attacks that happen on Indians are by Pakistan.
And Pakistan is the epicenter of terrorism. There are more madrasas in Pakistan then government institutions.
And the whole world knows how Pakistan operates. They are the creators of Islamic terrorism and supporters.
SO I can conclude that its JUSTIFIED for Indians to blame Pakistan.

Posted by Jack20092009 | Report as abusive
 

At Umpair>>>

Chinese are not as stupid as Pakistan. China would never want destabilized India. They know Trade is important. They know having a stable state next to its border is important.

Posted by Jack20092009 | Report as abusive
 

“Umair: Quite a frequent use of “idiots”!!! You learned a new word from ALI–alias Magic786. Sadly, Magic786 has killed the novelty but then smart people like you have different ideas and use that as some argument”
Posted by RajeevK

What else can you expect from frustrated & failed citizens of a ‘Failed Nation’? They are just showing their level of literacy, civility & the etiquette from where they come. We’ve known about it all along, let it be on display for the world!

Posted by Mortal1 | Report as abusive
 

‘Frustration growing amongst Pakistani Youth’ – NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/world/ asia/28youth.html?hp

Posted by Mortal1 | Report as abusive
 

Like sun is the source of all energy, Pakistan is source for all acts of terrorism all over the world . Recent attacks in Kabul is blatant example where Pakistan backed taliban militia killed innocent people, doctors etc . It is incumbant upon international community put more pressure Pakistan, Pak military, ISI to stop all terror camps and prevent using of Pak territory .

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