Comments on: Fresh reports surface of Taliban-al Qaeda rift http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: STORY-BURN http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28089 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:13:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28089 We are not going to be Al Qaeda nor the Taliban and the sooner we see that the better. Pull out of Afghanistan

Storyburn

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28086 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:10:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28086 @ Umair: “ISI is the mentor of true Taliban”

So, the “true Taliban” is the one which blows up Afghans & Indians, while the “fake Taliban” is the one which blows up Pakistanis? How convenient!

@ “tragedy is after that US left. There was no plan to rehabilitate the Afghan Mujahideen and everything went wrong after that”

The real tragedy is that after the US left, your generals pocketed the aid given to them by the US for the rehabilitation of the Mujaheddin & instead decided to use the Mujaheddin in their proxy war with India & fulfill their ambition to ‘bleed India with a thousand cuts’ & frankly, I’m not sure if they’ve learned any lessons from their past blunders & will refrain from making the same mistakes again.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28080 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:25:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28080 Umair:

@ Now is the time to lure Taliban (True Taliban) away from Al-Qaeda extremists, the ideological and strategic guidance must come from ISI, Taliban must position themselves to play a constructive role in Afghan society, shun militancy.”
Posted by Umairpk

—-There is no difference in Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan at ideological level.

Both want their version of “Islamic” rule and Af-Tal and TTP version of Islamic rule is not different. While TTP is against democracy in Pakistan, Afghan Taliban is against Loya Jirga, the basis of Pushtoon culture in Afghanistan.

Afghan Taliban cannot be called true Pushtoons, they are rogues. To me Pushtoons will be those who may be anti-Karzai, but will not not devalue Loya Jirga by calling it “un-Islamic” which is what your so-called “true Taliban”‘s blue eye boy Mullah Omar labeled it as. A person that throws to wind the cultural and political reality of Afghanistan cannot be a Pushtoon and Taliban represents these rogue elements. This is not any different from TTP which does not follow Pakistan;s system and wants to have its own Islamic rule and you label that as anti-Pakistan. I am fine with you calling TTP the way you call “terrorists who are anti-Pakistan” but I wonder why you do not practice the same in with Afghanistan-taliban? This is beyond me. May be you can tell me more what I am missing or accept that Talibans have turned rogue (A-Q was a bad company and Pak was the bad influence) and want to establish an Islamic system of governance—both in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

There are more similarities than difference in Taliban in Pushtoon-belt on both sides of Durand line. If Taliban takes control of Afghanistan, Pakthunistan is not far away—they will seek to merge pushtoon brothers on either side of the belt. Seeds are being sowed. Yeah then blame Americans again.

@Pakistan military supported Arab fighters as long as they were fighting the Soviets, tragedy is after that US left. There was no plan to rehabilitate the Afghan Mujahideen and everything went wrong after that”
—For the money spent like water on maintaining Taliban via Saudis/UAE/Pakistan, Jihadis would have been easily rehabilitated. Look at the Taliban salaries-they put to shame what pakistan soldiers earn. With this money taliban looked more than ready to be rehabilitated—only if proxy factor was discounted. This money is not new and has been flowing since ever but perhaps just not enough for their rehabilitation.
Also, once in blue moon start taking blame that that the Jihadi apparatus was maintained painstakingly by Pakistan to use against India. may be rather than whining you should be thankful to Americans.

Americans did what they did—they made an ass out of Pakistan and took the flight back home the day Russians left. Pakistan is here and should have done something constructive. This blaming USA for all the evils in Pakistan is getting bit over the top. Even Obama is not given this much room, he is called a whiner when he starts blaming Bush Admn fpr everything. Bush left just few years ago but Americans left 20yrs ago.

Pakistan did not want Taliban to rehabilitate so that is what they got. You are still talking of “true Taliban” when I am hearing Punjabi Taliban and increased collaborations between taliban and Punjabi terrorists. A new trend is showing. I am not sure whom you will blame next time.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28077 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:57:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28077 Umairpk: “ISI is the mentor of true Taliban”

And it is also the mentor for LeT, JuD and many other Punjabhi terror outfits. It is turning into a sinister organization by its association with these elements and engaging with them for its strategic operations in the region. It also nurtures the Haqqani and Hekmatyar factions. The reason is simple. If any one of its proteges goes out of control, the others can be engaged against them. There is no such thing as good Taliban. It is an unofficial wing of the Pakistani military establishment. Pak military soldiers were running the show inside Afghanistan during Taliban regime. Hundreds of them were air lifted from Kunduz when the US bombed Afghanistan. It was a part of the deal that Musharraf made with the Americans. If at all there are any good Taliban, they are Pashtuns who are not part of the Pak Military and ISI infiltrators.

There is so much damage done that it will be nearly impossible to start an alternative industry that gives jobs to all Taliban youth. Many are used to a life of bandits, raiding, pillaging and taking things by force. They will not give up that nature that has been drilled into them by the manipulative methods used in the Madrasas. Where is the Taliban getting all the ammunition for explosives? They are surrounded from all directions. Yet they are making bombs and blowing people up. I am sure some elements inside the Pak military establishment is giving them their material. Pak military is pinching the baby and rocking the cradle at the same time.

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28074 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:35:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28074 ISI is the mentor of true Taliban, Al-Qaeda has been involved in Pakistan and even as far back as 1995 the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad was bombed by Al-Qaeda a revenge attack on Egyptian government. Pakistan military supported Arab fighters as long as they were fighting the Soviets, tragedy is after that US left. There was no plan to rehabilitate the Afghan Mujahideen and everything went wrong after that. Now is the time to lure Taliban (True Taliban) away from Al-Qaeda extremists, the ideological and strategic guidance must come from ISI, Taliban must position themselves to play a constructive role in Afghan society, shun militancy. There should be alternative industry in Afghanistan replacing millitancy and drug trade. Only then Taliban can be brought back into afghan mainstream.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28059 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:00:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28059 Myra:

@…a growing number of Taliban militants in the Pakistani border region are refusing to collaborate with Al Qaeda fighters, declining to provide shelter or assist in attacks in Afghanistan even in return for payment.”

—All this is based upon the statements of U.S. military and counter-terrorism officials and ISI. How credible they are is anyone’s guess. This is preparation for the end game trying to show Afghan Taliban are not bad guys anymore so let us make them part of the governing process.

@Recent statements on the Taliban website have also quoted Mullah Omar as saying the group will not allow Afghan territory to be used to harm any other country – seen by some as an indication of a willingness to deny sanctuary to al Qaeda.”

—-Al-qaeda is not a country; so it is misinterpretation of Mullah Omar.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/03/14/fresh-reports-surface-of-taliban-al-qaeda-rift/comment-page-1/#comment-28055 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:24:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=4902#comment-28055 The entire game in Af-Pak region is being drive by the “my enemey’s enemy is my friend” philosophy. Al Qaeda will always find friends who become enemies of its enemy. If pushed to the corner, Al Qaeda might try a last ditch effort of knocking out the double dealing Pakistani establishment. They have the capability to do it. They are a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban in planning and executing their assaults. If they have no room to hide or escape, they might simply decide to go for the jugular. They have not touched the Pakistani establishment so far because they probably believe that in the long run, Americans will leave and things will return to the old ways. But Pakistan’s actions have clearly demonstrated their duplicity and selfishness. Having been betrayed by Pakistan, they might plan vengeance as they know they will be exterminated soon. This means, they will get into the Pakistan’s hinterlands and launch an offensive against Pakistani military and civilian targets to bring a collapse and create splinters from within. Let us hope this does not happen and Al Qaeda gets completely eliminated for the good of this region. Pakistan has to be very careful so that it stays clear off the path of these marauders.

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