Comments on: Pakistan’s constitutional democracy and the Pakistan Army http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Zora Dotto http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-53913 Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:53:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-53913 hi!,I love your writing so a lot! share we keep in touch more approximately your post on AOL? I need a specialist in this space to solve my problem. Maybe that is you! Having a look ahead to look you.

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By: AHR http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28383 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:54:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28383 Over the past week Pakistan has read many different news items. From the passing of the 18th amendment to the bomb blast at the US Consulate, much is happening. Some may say the stories are for the betterment of our country while others may disagree. In my mind the successful visit of the Foreign Minister and his entourage to the United States gave Pakistan some much needed positive press. However, the current witch-hunt carried out by the Chief Justice and the ugly battle over the reopening of Zardari’s corruption cases has embarrassed many of those who fought for the independence of the judiciary. Now do not get me wrong, as much as I enjoyed protesting on the streets of Lahore for the reinstatement of the nation’s top judge, I can’t fathom Mr. Iftikhar’s current agenda of picking and choosing his enemies. When will we be able to see actual results from the “democratically” elected officials and the “independent” judiciary we as a nation have struggled to achieve for 62 years? When will stop pointing fingers and vilifying those whom we disagree with? Or have we gotten used to being stuck in this whirlpool of revengeful politics. Honestly, we Pakistanis have gotten sick and tired of the lies and broken promises.

http://ahraza.wordpress.com/2010/04/11/s ick-and-tired/

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By: ranjashi http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28378 Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:29:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28378 Despite all the criticism here, we see democracy at work. Sure enough there was a consensus so we see that the complaints here against PML N are just biased and unjustified. Now we call appreciate how much a less than perfect democracy works better for a nation than a dictatorship. Eight years of Musharraf couldn’t accomplish what two years of democratic wrangling has already done in Pakistan’s favour! I hope we all continue with this path of democracy to see Pakistan reach its full potential. Did you just hear about the consensus reached on judges, presidential powers, the naming of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa- all without violence or have you been hiding? How about the the NFC award which took decades to achieve? How about the added support that we are getting from the world community to fight the criminals and terrorists who threaten us and the world? How about new drone technology or rumours that we may get a deal for civilian nuclear reactors? Most importantly, the terrorists are on the run. All in hardly two years! Yes there is a lot of debate, back and forth and frustration with democracy but the fruits are better!

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28361 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28361 @ “The army comes up to be the most pristine outfit in the country. Educated and dedicated to the interests of the country, in the end it has always been them who came up to steer the country, whether sustainable or not”

Steer the country towards what? Radicalization? Bankruptcy? Failure?

@ “I will have to admit that power corrupts us all and that is why democracy has always failed in our state. The army always has to normalize the situation”

Democracy has always failed in your state because people like you, are constantly brain-washed by the PA propaganda machinery & made to believe that the PA is a saintly, non-corrupt & perfect institution & is your sole protector & savior. Even though facts & history clearly point that the PA is a corrupt, belligerent & absolutely imperfect institution, which has an insatiable lust for power & is primarily responsible for your country’s current disastrous condition.

@ “Second, the average Pakistani is not as hateful of the Indians as the Indians are of the former. There is research to prove this, and if you want i can provide these details”

ROFL. I would love to see that research so please provide the links & details. And it better be from a credible & substantiated neutral source & not from a Pakistani propaganda site like the ‘rupee news’ etc.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28357 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:49:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28357 In Russia and other former Communist countries, there are still many supporters of Communist regime. They claim that under Communist regime they were guaranteed of a salary whether they worked or not and there was “order.” In every country there are admirers for different systems. In India itself I have come across people who like to have dictators for the same reasons as wildbandit has mentioned. Indira Gandhi almost became a tyrant and she had her own admirers and followers. If Pakistanis feel more comfortable with military rulers, it is their choice. I don’t think others should have any issues with that. However, from Indian stand point, Pak military has been the most belligerent and hostile organization. So the Indian reaction is from that stand point. It is not Pakistan, but its military that runs independent with its own agenda. All the wars with India have been instigated by the Pak military. Its civilian rulers huffed and puffed, but never went beyond that. It is Pak military that wants to hold on to all the anti-Indian militant organizations. So when Pakistanis prefer a military rule for different reasons, Indians see it in a different light. Most Pakistanis who post here support their military. Hence this endless cycle of arguments.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28356 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:31:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28356 wildbandit:

@It is very easy to play armchair warrior sitting on your desktop, ……”
–Posted by wildbandit
—-Agreed

@I will have to admit that power corrupts us all and that is why democracy has always failed in our state. The army always has to normalize the situation.”
–Perhaps your “power corrupts” does no not apply to PA considering they are and have been the most powerful in your country.

@Second, the average Pakistani is not as hateful of the Indians as the Indians are of the former. There is research to prove this, and if you want i can provide these details.”
—Yes please provide details. Rather, if you have why not post it right away.

Oh, please keep this self-promotory attitude who hates more cos u r not in a position to make such statements. Nor am I. It is plainly ridiculous. At worst, your fellow countrymen on this blog (not all) admire terrorists who kill Indians and at best they keep mum when asked to condemn terrorism of all kind. Now this is factual statement.

@During the Musharraf regime, no matter how bad for us, Indo-Pak relations improved and consider this, he was an Army man.”
–Did you not say it takes 2 to clap.

@I have spent my whole life in this country, and at ANY point in time would support the army over the democracy”
—Oh yes, I know that and that is the troubling part. You guys have yet to acquire an ability to think that you can pat ur army on the back even when politicians truly rule. I, as an Indian, do that. But u guys take it to a point where u want to see a general in the throne!!!

@The army comes up to be the most pristine outfit in the country. Educated and dedicated to the interests of the country, in the end it has always been them who came up to steer the country, whether sustainable or not.”

–Get out of ur bow-arrow/horses/hunting attitude. Times have changed. We are living in an era where battles are of different nature. yiur army has not made them and u r country proud by indulging in wars they did. Also, Pak Army has not been helping the overall interests of Pakistan unless you feel that just because you are surviving is a reason enough to admire them.

Have u ever heard that Army Generals cannot even decide the best time to fight much less running a country.

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By: wildbandit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28355 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:17:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28355 It is very easy to play armchair warrior sitting on your desktop, but try to place yourself in the battle field and then give your expert analysis.

I have spent my whole life in this country, and at ANY point in time would support the army over the democracy. As much as I love my country, I will have to admit that power corrupts us all and that is why democracy has always failed in our state. The army always has to normalize the situation.

This has been seen over and over in all democratic governments, because the access to those seats is for those who already have a certain position of power in society, and they use those seats to exploit that power.

As far as the civil servants go, their contribution to the corruption in this country is no less than those of the politicians. In fact, they go hand in hand.

The army comes up to be the most pristine outfit in the country. Educated and dedicated to the interests of the country, in the end it has always been them who came up to steer the country, whether sustainable or not.

Also, consider two points when raising fingers at the park army. One, the aggressive stance is not one sided. A very south-asian proverb, it takes two hands to clap. The same is the case with the Indo-Pak Army stance. Second, the average Pakistani is not as hateful of the Indians as the Indians are of the former. There is research to prove this, and if you want i can provide these details. During the Musharraf regime, no matter how bad for us, Indo-Pak relations improved and consider this, he was an Army man.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28350 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:51:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28350 Class of people examplified by Umair have no idea what the place of Army in a true democracy is. No wonder you see gems

“In recent months and years the Army and civilian government have worked together to confront diffiicult crises at the same time.”
It is Master-slave relation not partnership, as he says

in the contradictory statement:
“In my opinion democracy under the watchful eyes of the Army is best solution for Pakistan.”

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28348 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:02:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28348 @ “In my opinion democracy under the watchful eyes of the Army is best solution for Pakistan”

That is quite a contradictory statement. Democracy can’t be under the ‘watchful eyes’ of anyone except the people who cast their ballots & that itself is the definition of Democracy. The Pakistani army is fooling no one by projecting a ‘democratic Pakistan’ in front of the international community in order to extract that extra $$$ from them at the ‘Friends of Democratic Pakistan’ summit. Either become a real democracy for good or the military regime, that you actually are. Just get done with this duplicity of being a democracy controlled by the military establishment.

“For the civilians to take a clear stand on India, foreign policy and other strategic matters, those civilian leaders need to sharpen their skills first”

What exactly does that mean? What kind of skills do the civilians need to sharpen? their ‘belligerence’ skills? Yes, the Pakistani Generals sure have had a lot of skills over the years. Through their skillful acts, they’ve fought 4 unnecessary wars, commanded a lions share of the revenues, radicalized the country, defamed it internationally with their support for terrorism & brought it one the brink of bankruptcy & failure. That sure requires a lot of skills.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/04/06/pakistans-constitutional-democracy-and-the-pakistan-army/comment-page-1/#comment-28347 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:46:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5073#comment-28347 “In my opinion democracy under the watchful eyes of the Army is best solution for Pakistan.”

That is like leaving the rabbit in the care of the hawk. It will hunt it down when it is hungry. Pak military has to be de-fanged.

“For the civilians to take a clear stand on India, foreign policy and other strategic matters, those civilian leaders need to sharpen their skills first”

Just by running a civilian government for a decade of more, things will change. Reliance on military will reduce. Then the perspective will change. People will realize that there is no real enemy and it is all made up by the Pak military to strengthen its grip on power. Pak military wants not only to control all of Pakistan, it also wants to be the regional boss above every country including Afghanistan, Iran, India and Central Asia. There is too much macho and hype built over the years. That is what has led to today’s pathetic condition. A sustained civilian government with good judicial system will change all that. Diplomacy will take precedence over militancy and proxy wars. It is a good start for Pakistan with the recent constitutional amendment. Your military has literally wiped out all leaders. Time has to be given for new leaders to emerge through the system. Gilani looks very promising. Hope he stays on power for long and takes your country on the right path.

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