Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan?

May 1, 2010

gwadarBaluchistan, Pakistan’s biggest province, rarely gets much attention from the international media, and what little it does is dwarfed by that showered on Afghanistan.  So it is with a certain amount of deliberate provocation that I ask the question posed in the headline: Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan?

Before everyone answers with a resounding “no”, do pause to consider that China – renowned for its long-term planning – has invested heavily in Baluchistan, including building a deep water port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea to give it access to Gulf oil supplies.  The region is rich in gas and minerals; attracting strong international interest in spite of a low-level insurgency by Baluch separatists. 

Bordering both Iran and Afghanistan, it lies along the sectarian and geopolitical faultlines that have fissured the region  since the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan later that year. Its capital, Quetta, is often cited by Washington as a haven for the Afghan Taliban in the so-called Quetta shura, who operate independently of the more secular Baluch separatists. 

The province is also a source of friction with India, with Pakistan accusing it of using its presence in Afghanistan to fund the Baluch separatists, a charge Delhi denies.  Whatever the rights and wrongs of that argument, you can be fairly sure that anywhere lying on the intersection of Indian, Chinese and Pakistani interests will be strategically far more important than it might appear on the surface.

In that context, Forbes Magazine has a must-read take-out on China’s drive to develop its presence in Baluchistan.

“In the Pakistani province of Balochistan, South Asia and central Asia bleed into the Middle East. Bordered by Afghanistan, Iran and the Persian Gulf, and well endowed with oil, gas, copper, gold and coal reserves, Balochistan is a rich prize that should have foreign investors battering at the gates,” it says.  “But for a half-century it has been the exclusive playground of the Pakistani government and its state-owned Chinese partners. China would prefer it to stay that way.”

For an entirely different view, Informed Comment has a guest contribution up by Berkeley academic Kiren Aziz Chaudhry. The arguments can be a bit distracting if you don’t buy into conspiracy theories about the reasons for the U.S. presence in Afghanistan. But do persevere until you get to the point where the writer identifies Baluchistan as the main centre of interest for the many rivalries across Afghanistan and Pakistan:  “The fulcrum is the province of Balochistan. And within Balochistan, the pivot is the dusty, obscure coastal town of Gwadar. Gwadar has a spanking new deep water port. Wheels within wheels. Devices within devices.”  It’s worth reading through to the end, if nothing else but because this little known part of the world deserves as many different voices as possible.

At the very least, both articles should leave you with a doubt in your mind about the original question as to whether Baluchistan is strategically more important than Afghanistan.

And then revisit another question I asked a year ago. Who will win the peace in Afghanistan?

(File photo of Gwadar port)

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The whole idea of “paksitan” was conceived some 70+ years ago with the notion of getting the landmass that is of “geostrategic” importance. This grandiose notion, pillar of “Pakistan” ideology is the reason behind paksitan spending all energy on militarism, renting itself to big powers for dole, war mongering, sponsoring terrorism and so on. We all know where this project stands…..Here “Pakistan” ideology is defined as the concept hijacked by Punjabi army.

Balochistan is another example of this delusional notion of Pakistan playing “geostrategic” games with big powers…with China this time. Meanwhile the poor, oppressed Balochis who see no future for them are up in arms against Punjabi colonization and exploitation.

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Seekeroftruth wrote:

“Meanwhile the poor, oppressed Balochis who see no future for them are up in arms against Punjabi colonization and exploitation.”

-In Baluchistan, Pakistan Army is recruiting among locals, empowering people. Many nationalist Baluch leaders like son of late Nawab Akbar Bugti (Talal Bugti) met with Pakistani political leaders Nawaz Sharif etc. Some dissident Baluchis who recieved funding from RAW have been dealt with. Here India is doing a miserable job, China is heavily investing in Baluchistan as its an important listening post in its strategy of ‘string of pearls’. Empowered Baluchis, look forward to a brighter future with increased opportunities, development of infrastructure. Punjabi colonization: my foot. Indian propaganda!

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive

“In Baluchistan, Pakistan Army is recruiting among locals, empowering people.”

Pak army is not Pakistan – remember that. Pak army also has recruited many “non-state actors” and trained them up to commando level. That is mainly to take on its own enemies both inside and outside Pakistan.

The whole of Pakistan is a colony of your military cartel. China is not building for constructive purposes. It is investing in Balochistan to suck all the mineral wealth dry when the need arises. China has never benefited any country other than itself. So do not day dream of being a pearl in its string. All countries that are allied with China are kept backward, under military junat – Myanmar, North Korea are examples. Do not lean too much on them.

Balochis want out of Pakistan. Your military is holding them at gun point. When they weaken, watch what happens.
All the reconciliation efforts have come from the civilian government of Pakistan, which your military can over ride anytime.

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KPSingh
Just remember one thing, India potrayed itself as friend of Bengalis in East Pakistan back in 1970, funded the Mukti Bahni insurgents. One of the main reasons Pakistan is rapidly expanding its nuclear weapons is that If there is another war where India tries to meddle in Baluchistan and try to fund mercaneries. Then see what happens.

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“If there is another war where India tries to meddle in Baluchistan and try to fund mercaneries. Then see what happens” Posted by Umairpk

According to your army, India is already doing all those things in Baluchistan, so why the delay? Let’s see what you got or are you waiting for Baluchistan (& others) to declare independance?
The truth is that your sinister punjabi mafia a.k.a the Pakistani army can do nothing but talk & whine. It can only stab in the back & kill innocent civilians via it’s non-state actors and the times when it has actually had the spine to confronted openly, it has gotten it’s clocks cleaned. So just tell them to continue with their petty projects of blowing pipe bombs via non-state actots cuz that’s all they are good for anyways.

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“U.S. Seeks Man From Pakistan Tied to S.U.V. in Bomb Case” – NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/nyregi on/04bomb.html?hp

Another product of Pakistan’s flourishing terror export industry.

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“In Baluchistan, Pakistan Army is recruiting among locals, empowering people.”

ROFL. Just like the PA had empowered the Bengalis 40 yrs back? A few weeks ago, on a flight to Chicago, I met a Baloch who hailed from Turbat & he told me that schools, colleges, social arenas or any public places in Baluchistan are forbidden from singing or playing the Pakistani anthem or display the Pakistani flag. That says a lot about the Balochi sentiment towards Pakistan & it’s Punjabi mafia.

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There are a number of conspiracy theories regarding the present state of affairs in Baluchistan; every theory concerns a world power and its intentions in taking over this province. If only the Sardars of this province can allow the people to study and change their lives, all the problems will be over soon.

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“If there is another war where India tries to meddle in Baluchistan and try to fund mercaneries. Then see what happens” Posted by Umairpk

Umair,

Please answer Mortal1.

India is bad and has always been bad with pak. You say that. We agree!! Baluch is a goner baby. We will disintegrate it as we did with bangladesh.

Lo, I said it. Tell us what Pak plans to do about it, ofcourse other than sending illeterate cowards to kill civilans and use them as a shield when confronted by the Indian Army.

Comm’on , lets see Pak use those nukes. Just to believe that you how to assemble and operate them. I hope China should have given user manuals ‘in Urdu’ along with the technology they gave as ‘donation’.

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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/13+a ghaz-e-haqooq+balochistan+package-za-05

All out efforts will be made to bring Balochistan on a par with developed areas of the country, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said
The prime minister said that the federal government attached a priority to socio-economic development of Balochistan because it was vital for the country’s progress.

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ISPR Pakistan Army documentary: Black Pearl (Baluchistan)

http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o= t-video_streaming&pagehead=Black%20Pearl &av=Black%20Pearl

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Makran Coastal Highway N10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makran_Coas tal_Highway

“In the coastal areas of Balochistan, the main livelihood is fishing. The catch could not be sold in Karachi because the fish would rot by the time they reached Karachi. However, the new highway has improved people’s livelihoods by giving them the opportunity to sell fish in major markets in Karachi.”

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Command and Staff College, Pakistan Armed Forces , Quetta Baluchistan

http://www.cscquetta.com/
The Command and Staff College, Quetta, is the oldest and the most prestigious institution of Pakistan Army. It was established temporarily in 1905 at Deolali, near Bombay in India by Lord Kitchener, Commander-in-Chief of the British Indian Army.

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Another Pakistani “non-state actor” gone wild in NYC. The cockroach was headed back to the gutter, when he was nabbed at JFK.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/nyregi on/05bomb.html?hp

I hope this wakes Obama up & he starts smacking Pakistan into eliminating all forms of terrorism & non-state actors from it’s soil.

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Pakistan is a failed nation with no reliable constitution,with terrorism as its major export to the world.

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Umairpk,

Since you and your countrymen have been itching to drop some nuclear bombs inside India, why don’t you guys go ahead and try it? I do not like empty rhetoric. Let us see if you and your beloved military will have the nerves to do it. You are the one threatening. So you do it first and we’ll see what happens. Your nukes are under the control of the US. So thump you chest as much as you want. Here is to the liberation of all Balochistan from the clutches of the Pak military! We wholeheartedly support the independence of Balochistan. Now where are your nukes man?

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What are you guys yakking about? We see ‘Bharats’ military power whenever you guys drop a rocket. And about nuking Bharat, we have a first strike doctrine which you guys dont. Look it up and see what it means.

Also, 40 years back Pakistan Army was not as strong as it is today. Look at the facts. It will take 45 minutes for Bharat to launch a nuclear attack, while it will take Pakistan 15, and we also have second strike capability.

Also, all it took was a couple of low level militants to take down your country’s heart. Your commando’s were useless and if I was a Bharti like you I wouldve been ashamed of how vulnerable I am.

You have no idea what Pakistan is. We may be illiterate, but if you press our buttons right, or wrong so to speak, we will show you where we stand.

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wildbandit,

If your military is so mighty, why is it sending “non state actors” into India? Why can’t they go to war by pushing those nuke buttons? Every few years your “mighty” military gets dole and weapons from the Americans and they feel empowered immediately. Then they launch strikes against India and get burnt. If your military is so strong, ask them to go to war with India and liberate your Kashmir. There would be no need to set up terrorist camps, give them commando training and ammunition, send them into India and wait for some kind of retaliation to justify attack. That tells me that there is fear in your ranks that India might take your bluff and might retaliate. Your country does not have to go to Middle Eastern countries, the US, UK etc for asking India to get out of Afghanistan. Actions speak louder than words. Your military has weapons. We all know that. But it cannot even defeat its own creation in Waziristan and is whining about being forced into taking them on. And you are chest thumping about Kasab and co killing innocent civilians in Mumbai. When Balochistan decides enough is enough and leaves your Islamic federation, your nukes might come in handy against them. So save them. So much for Islamic brotherhood.

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@wildbandit
Aren’t you ashamed

Wow guess who is giving us a lecture on guts?????
An indian……
Hey mate has your army been able to control wide spread insurgencies Naxel being the most prominent of it since the last 60 years????
You talk about Pakistani army launching an offensive and taking Kashmir….Well you couldn’t hold Kashmir when irregular militia from Pakistan’s tribal agencies fought there way to Srinagar….Nehru ran in the UN to bring about a cease fire…..As a result we got nearly half of Kashmir and an agreement that india would arrange a plebiscite in the occupied valley…..A line of control was formed…..Then again during Kargil conflict you ran weeping to Washington and asked Washignton to intervene!
The question arises that why your “3rd biggest army” in the world is still unable to put down these insurgencies while our army cleared the Swat district from militants in just a year???? Swat is double the size of Srilanka…..Aren’t you ashamed on it???? Giving us a lesson on counter insurgency???? eh….
We are hitting the militants hard in tribal areas too….Waziristan offensive is in its full swing….You guys can’t control the separatist movement in Kashmir although you have deployed 7 lack of your troops there….Aren’t you even ashamed at this one???
If not then god knows what else can make you feel ashamed……And training camps thing….You are doing the same…You are sending in trained Baloch terrorists/separatists into Balochistan…..You were the ones to introduce this policy of cross border terrorism to the subcontinent when you trained and supported Mukti Bahini in training camps in your country….You attacked us when we were in a civil war….You didn’t had enough guts….And are preaching us “the doctrine of guts”….You had learned after the war of 65 that you can never disintegrate Pakistan if it is strong internally so you started sending in terrorists to East Pakistan and they pushed the eastern wing of the country into a civil war!
Now when we do it you weep…..Aren’t you ashamed????

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Are we or you a failed state????

These are some facts to further make you ashamed:
1. National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)

2. United People’s Democratic Solidarity (UPDS)

3. Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)

4. Bodo Liberation Tiger Force (BLTF)

5. Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)

6. Karbi National Volunteers (KNV)

7. Rabha National Security Force (RNSF)

8. Koch-Rajbongshi Liberation Organisation (KRLO)

9. Hmar People’s Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

10. Karbi People’s Front (KPF)

11. Tiwa National Revolutionary Force (TNRF)

12. Bircha Commando Force (BCF)

13. Bengali Tiger Force (BTF)

14. Adivasi Security Force (ASF)

15. All Assam Adivasi Suraksha Samiti (AAASS)

16. Gorkha Tiger Force (GTF)

17. Barak Valley Youth Liberation Front (BVYLF)

18. United Liberation Front of Barak Valley

19. United National Liberation Front (UNLF)

20. People’s Liberation Army (PLA)

21. People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)

22. The above mentioned three groups now operate from a unified platform,

23. the Manipur People’s Liberation Front (MPLF)

24. Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)

25. Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)

26. Manipur Liberation Tiger Army (MLTA)

27. Iripak Kanba Lup (IKL)

28. People’s Republican Army (PRA)

29. Kangleipak Kanba Kanglup (KKK)

30. Kangleipak Liberation Organisation (KLO)

31. Revolutionary Joint Committee (RJC)

32. National Socialist Council of Nagaland — Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)

33. People’s United Liberation Front (PULF)

34. Kuki National Army (KNA)

35. Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)

36. Kuki National Organisation (KNO)

37. Kuki Independent Army (KIA)

38. Kuki Defence Force (KDF)

39. Kuki International Force (KIF)

40. Kuki National Volunteers (KNV)
41. Kuki Liberation Front (KLF)

42. Kuki Security Force (KSF)

43. Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)

44. Kuki Revolutionary Front (KRF)

45. United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)

46. Hmar People’ Apr 4 slaughter india

41. Kuki Liberation Fro

44. Kuki Revolutionary Front (KRF)

45. United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)

46. Hmar People’s Convention (HPC)

47. Hmar People’s Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

48. Hmar Revolutionary Front (HRF)

49. Zomi Revolutionary Army (ZRA)

50. Zomi Revolutionary Volunteers (ZRV)

51. Indigenous People’s Revolutionary Alliance(IRPA)

52. Kom Rem People’s Convention (KRPC)

53. Chin Kuki Revolutionary Front (CKRF)

54. Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)

55. Achik National Volunteer Council (ANVC)

56. People’s Liberation Front of Meghalaya (PLF-M)

57. Hajong United Liberation Army (HULA)

58. National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) – NSCN(IM)

59. National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)

60. Naga National Council (Adino) – NNC (Adino)

61. Babbar Khalsa International (BKI)

62. Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF)

63. International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF)

64. Khalistan Commando Force (KCF)

65. All-India Sikh Students Federation (AISSF)

66. Bhindrawala Tigers Force of Khalistan (BTFK)

67. Khalistan Liberation Army (KLA)

68. Khalistan Liberation Front (KLF)

69. Khalistan Armed Force (KAF)

70. Dashmesh Regiment

71. Khalistan Liberation Organisation (KLO)

72. Khalistan National Army (KNA)

73. National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)

74. All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)

75. Tripura Liberation Organisation Front (TLOF)

76. United Bengali Liberation Front (UBLF)

77. Tripura Tribal Volunteer Force (TTVF)

78. Tripura Armed Tribal Commando Force (TATCF)

79. Tripura Tribal Democratic Force (TTDF)

80. Tripura Tribal Youth Force (TTYF) Apr 4 slaughter india
81. Tripura Liberation Force (TLF)

82. Tripura Defence Force (TDF)

83. All Tripura Volunteer Force (ATVF)

84. Tribal Commando Force (TCF)

85. Tripura Tribal Youth Force (TTYF)

86. All Tripura Bharat Suraksha Force (ATBSF)

87. Tripura Tribal Action Committee

80. Tripura Tribal Youth Force (TTYF)
81. Tripura Liberation Force (TLF)

82. Tripura Defence Force (TDF)

83. All Tripura Volunteer Force (ATVF)

84. Tribal Commando Force (TCF)

85. Tripura Tribal Youth Force (TTYF)

86. All Tripura Bharat Suraksha Force (ATBSF)

87. Tripura Tribal Action Committee Force (TTACF) Socialist Democratic

88. Front of Tripura (SDFT)

89. All Tripura National Force (ATNF)

90. Tripura Tribal Sengkrak Force (TTSF)

91. Tiger Commando Force (TCF)

92. Tripura Mukti Police (TMP)

93. Tripura Rajya Raksha Bahini (TRRB)

94. Tripura State Volunteers (TSV)

95. Tripura National Democratic Tribal Force (TNDTF)

96. National Militia of Tripura (NMT)

97. All Tripura Bengali Regiment (ATBR)

98. Bangla Mukti Sena (BMS)

99. All Tripura Liberation Organisation (ATLO)

100. Tripura National Army (TNA)

101. Tripura State Volunteers (TSV)

102. Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)

103. Mizoram

104. Bru National Liberation Front

105. Hmar People’s Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

106. Arunachal Pradesh

107. Arunachal Dragon Force (ADF)

108. Left-wing Extremist groups

109. People’s Guerrilla Army

110. People’s War Group

111. Maoist Communist Centre

112. Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist)

113. Communist Party of India (Marxist Leninist) Janashakti

Other Extremist Groups

114. Tamil National Retrieval Troops (TNRT)

115. Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj (ABNES)

116. Tamil Nadu Liberation Army (TNLA)

117. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE )
118. Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA)

119. Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam (MULFA)

120. Muslim Security Council of Assam (MSCA)

121. Islamic Liberation Army of Assam (ILAA)

122. Muslim Volunteer Force (MVF)

123. Muslim Liberation Army (MLA)

124. Muslim Security Force (MSF)

125. Islamic Sevak Sangh (ISS)

126. Islamic United Reformation Protest of India (IURPI)

127. United Muslim Liberation Front of Assam (UMLFA)

128. Revolutionary Muslim Commandos (RMC)

129. Muslim Tiger Force (MTF)

130. Harkat-ul-Mujahideen

131. Harkat-ul-Jehad

132. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)

133. Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)

134. Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen)

135. Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)

136. Jaish-e-Mohammad Mujahideen E-Tanzeem (JeM)

137. Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar)

138. Al Badr

139. Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM)

140. Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)

141. Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami

142. Al Barq

143. Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen

144. Al Jehad

145. Muslim Janbaz Force

146. Kashmir Jehad Force

147. Al Jehad Force (combines Muslim Janbaz Force and Kashmir Jehad Force)

148. Al Umar Mujahideen

149. Mahaz-e-Azadi

150. Islami Jamaat-e-Tulba

151. Ikhwan-ul-Mujahideen

152. Islamic Students League

153. Tehrik-e-Hurriat-e-Kashmir

154. Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqar Jafaria

155. Al Mustafa Liberation Fighters

156. Tehrik-e-Jehad-e-Islami

157. Muslim Mujahideen

158. Al Mujahid Force

159. Tehrik-e-Jehad

160. Islami Inquilabi Mahaz

161. Mutahida Jehad Council (MJC)

162. All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC)

163. Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM)

164. Islamic National Front (INF)

165. Islamic Revolutionary Front (IRF)

166. United Islamic Liberation Army (UILA)

167. United Islamic Revolutionary Army (UIRA)

Each of these org. has its own story of indian oppression on farmers,villagers,Mazdoors…etc etc!!!!!
Balochistan is long gone eh…..Screw these foolish apprehensions of your in live in Balochistan….I don’t see it going go to hell…..

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@Mumba,

Your list is useless, the U.S. has hundreds if not more of its own anti-gov’t type groups.

These types of groups tend to sprout up, in democratic societies, that do provide a voice of dissent and societies that are more liberal.

In societies like Pakistan, that subjugates or genocides minorities, such voices are usually murdered or killed or kept silent using an iron fist.

Hindus will never revolt in Pakistan because they are systematically phased out by forced conversions or other ways. Hindus are treated worse than rats in Pakistan, there is not doubt about that, while muslims thrive, and fare better than Pakistani Muslims.

In fact, functioning democracies allow voices of dissent and do not oppress them. It is time that you understand how freedom of speech and democracy work.

While you spend so much energy and time making lists on India, you remain daft and ignorant of the fire under your own bed.

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@Mumba,

There is no pleasing folks like you. You claim that India cannot put down insurgencies, while at the same time, if India tried to put down insurgencies, you will say India is oppressing minorities, which is it? You cannot have it both ways. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. India does not believe in converting all of its minorities to Hinduism or under control of one ethnic type of people, like the Punjabi Raj in Pakistan. The punjabi’s have beaten all of Pakistan into submission. I can guarantee you, you cannot keep Pakistan together, unless it is done by force, like it is today.

Backwards and inwardly drawn people like you, will always see the negative and bad and never acknowledge any good next door. Your empty gibberish is a testament to your determined and chosen path of enmity against India and non-muslims. There is no impressing you, you are unimpressible, unless India just folds and lets itself become enslaved to muslims once again, that is your bottom line, you will accept no less and that is the truth and the source of Pakistani bitterness.

There is no room in this world for people who choose ignorance.

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Mumba lists a number of imaginary organizations. This is like the creativity these guys show on the number of Indian consulates in Afghanistan that ranges from 13 to a million.

Let us know how many are real and how many are shadow organizations set up by your ISI inside India. Co-ordinating with most of these organizations, while battling the Americans and the moderate forces inside Pakistan must be an oreal for the ISI.

BTW, Mumba, thanks for sharing the joke with us. Good work.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

@Mumba,

“.You had learned after the war of 65 that you can never disintegrate Pakistan if it is strong internally so you started sending in terrorists to East Pakistan and they pushed the eastern wing of the country into a civil war!
Now when we do it you weep…..Aren’t you ashamed????”

–>Actually, pakistan should be ashamed, before India interceded in East Pakistan, it was the Pakistani’s who Genocided 2.5 million Hindus and even 500,000 muslims.

Are you as a muslim, as a Pakistani, as a human being not ashamed of the stain of genocide by your country?

A simple yes or no will do. But like most Pakistani’s you will be curiously silent and say nothing to acknowledge that your feeble army surrendered, 90,000 POW returned unharmed by India and Gen. Niazi tearfully signing off the defeat of Pakistan.

Shame for loss of East Pakistan and Shame for the systematic genocide of defenceless millions.

Why is India guilty for saving millions more from Genocide and liberating Bangladeshi’s from Punjabi Oppression?

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

Mumba,

Congratulations on adding your name to the list of moronic Pakistanis on this blog, who have nothing but empty hollow rhetoric devoid of substance or facts. But then you can’t be blamed since you are a failed product of a failed nation, which has it’s own set of delusional facts & distorted history.

@ “Well you couldn’t hold Kashmir when irregular militia from Pakistan’s tribal agencies fought there way to Srinagar…”

Ther reality is that it was your army who attacked Kashmir in 1947 before Hari Singh had made up his mind & when Hari singh signed the accession ducument with India, the Indian army intervened & freed more than 2/3rds of Kashmir. So it was your army who wasn’t able to hold on to Kashmir despite attacking & controlling it much before the Indian intervention.

@ “Then again during Kargil conflict you ran weeping to Washington and asked Washignton to intervene”

Really? Do you suffer from amnesia that you don’t even remember that it was your PM Nawaz Sharif who rushed to Washington & pleaded with Clinton to intervene & save pakistan from humiliation? Nawaz Sharif himself has acknowledged this fact as have many other Pakistani politicians & ex-military personnel.

@ “The question arises that why your “3rd biggest army” in the world is still unable to put down these insurgencies while our army cleared the Swat district from militants in just a year???? Swat is double the size of Srilanka”

ROFLOL. Really Swat is twice thye size if sri lanka? Maybe geography is not a subject at the madrasah which you attend. FYI, Sri Lanka’s total area is about 25000 sq miles & Swat’s is about 2000 sq miles.
Secondly, don’t start celebrating too soon because there are reports that the Taliban is regrouping & planning a major offensive in swat. Also, you army has mercilessly bombarded it’s own people in SWAT & FATA killing countless innocent civilians wheras India has never done any arial bombardment in Kashmir or elsewhere & that’s the difference between India & Pakistan.

As far as your stupid list is concerned, you can now take it back to your madrasaa teacher or the mullah that you got it from cuz I’m sure he needs it to recruit more like you.

Posted by Mortal1 | Report as abusive

@Mumba

The whole world knows Pakistan is the failed state that has spun totally out of control in the recent years.

Do you even have a professional army? Why do clowns like Musharraf and Zia ul haq pop out of it now and then?

Nobody knows who’s in control of Pakistan the Government ,the Army or the ISI.

You can talk whatever you want on Insurgencies in India
but these are desperate times for you guys to keep Pakistan in one piece.

Posted by JaiHind | Report as abusive

@Momba,
As a matter of interest are thes orgs. listed in your post are anti India? If yes, good heavens, how can so many orgs have sprung against Indian Govt.? Sorry for my ignorance.
Rex Minor

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[...] Shaitan is smiling in Balochistan Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan? Baluchistan, Pakistan’s biggest province, rarely gets much attention from the international [...]

[...] port — meant to give China access to the Arabian Sea and Gulf oil supplies – and arguably more strategically significant than Afghanistan.  Although the insurgency has not yet come to dominate political discourse, it is an [...]

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