Comments on: Times Square bombing; was the inspiration from the U.S. or Pakistan? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28822 Sun, 30 May 2010 18:42:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28822 @Grag
Now you got it, the terrorism has to be quatified.
Bill clinton had the missiles fired at Afghanistan is not classufied as terrorism, since Mr Bin Laden was stationed there who apparently was involved in attacks on the US ship. The group that attacked on sept. 11 were considered terrorists because the USA had not attacked an Arab State. George W attack on Afghanistan demandsing Bin Laden from the Taliban Govt. got it all confused since it was the Afghans who were involved in New York. One has to allow a space for the resistance fighters whose land is under occupation or under attack. The Chechanians, the kashmirirs,the maoists, the temils, the Palestinians and the afghans need to be given a place among the resistance fighters. This is not my opinion nor would it make any difference on the ground, but the thoughts are that their struggle is limited and likely to disappear as soon as the matter is resilved politically and the occupation or suppression ends. The resistance do not have norms or morals. Let us not blame the media in general for this, though there are some who do not always adopt a neutral position.
Rex MInor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28821 Sun, 30 May 2010 17:26:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28821 The key points in the puzzle are missing. What the Fox News and the likes are not stating that the guy went to Pakistan and then to Afghanistan and received his training in Afghanistan with the help of the American special forces trainers. No wonder that he was unable to complete the DIY job. There are other cases like him in Afghanistan who equally turned on the British forces after receiving training from the British trainers? Let us stop kidding ourself, the guy< is not even charged yet. Every Pashtoon child in Afghanistan starts learning to shoot at the age of five years, and here we are being told that the US and NATO military is going to train the new Afghan Army? Afghhanistan is not Iraq!
Rex Minor

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By: Grag_Winter http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28648 Wed, 12 May 2010 07:26:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28648 American journalists to assist terrorists when it comes to Russia

Nick Perumov, famous Russian fantasy-writer, who lives in the USA, in a recent interview described his impressions of how the American media had covered the terrorist attacks in Moscow subway on March 29, which took more than fifty lives.

According to Perumov, The New York Times with no hesitation wrote about terrorists, who killed Russian citizens, as “the Chechen freedom fighters”. “They are not called “terrorists” – but only “rebels”, “insurgents”, “guerrillas”, “partisans” and thus enter the noble context” – noted the writer.

You can watch Perumov’s interview here, but it’s in Russian. So, if anyone speaks Russian, you’re welcome.

“The New York Times” correspondent Clifford J. Levy (the author of the article) who has caused anger and bewilderment of the famous writer, is not alone in his sympathy to the terrorists.

“The Washington Post’s” Moscow bureau Chief Philip P. Pan has also successfully found allegoric names for terrorists. He calls them “suicide bombers” and, again, “Islamist insurgents”.

Different attitude of these “independent media” to terrorist activity causes at least bewilderment.

These media definitely qualify the explosions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Spain, India, the victims of which are innocent people, as terrorism, but similar bombings in Moscow is nothing but a struggle for freedom of “Islamist insurgents”, “rebels” and “separatists”. And measures to resist terrorism in such an ambiguous, confusing and far Russia are served by these media as “brutal suppression of the insurgency of the North Caucasus.”

The spread of the information justifying the terrorists or assisting the terrorists is equal to supporting terrorism in every civilized state.

Are C. Levy and P. Pan’s actions just the result of their incompetence or not knowing Russian reality? It is hard to believe. Both of them hold high ranks in the journalism hierarchy. Both of them had held offices in other countries before going to Moscow bureau of their newspapers. Both of them realize for sure that if they wrote like that about Muslim, Christian or Jewish terrorism in the US, it would certainly have a negative impact on their journalist careers.

It’s really strange that in spite of the sympathy expressed by President Barack Obama with terrorist attacks in Moscow subway and calling for Russia to take part in the war against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, the U.S. newspapers keep on publishing their own opinion that smells like assisting terrorism? And in this case who is the customer of these materials published in the media?

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28636 Mon, 10 May 2010 21:05:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28636 @The war has been taken back to streets of New York and until there is an end, it could have more consequences.”
–Umairpk

—Oh, so you are making this terrorist a Lollywood hero of yours!!!

“taken back to the streets”!!! What an admiring tone and baseless to back it up (Ref to Keith’s post here).

It is hard to get a simple condemnation of a terrorist that does not kill a Pakistani. It is as simple as that.

@Indians only found one more opportunity to spew their hatred towards Pakistan.”
–I see Indians asking a question “why once again a Pakistani, not Bangladeshi or Indian involved in terrorism? I already see your answer: DRONES, which is ridiculous, but based on which you should not complain if one of these terrorists is trying to blow up someone in in Pakistani streets too.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28626 Sun, 09 May 2010 19:55:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28626 “The push-button war that CIA counter-terrorism Air Force is waging in Pakistan with its drones will have its consequences. The war has been taken back to streets of New York and until there is an end, it could have more consequences” Posted by Umairpk

Your comment doesen’t surprise me since you have been known to support & justify terrorism and sympathize with terrorists. However, you equating drone attacks in Pakistan to terrorist attacks in america is egrigous for 2 main reasons:
Firstly, drone attacks inside Pakistan are done with the knowledge & approval of the Pakistani state wheras the last time I checked, no one has approved any terror attacks here. Secondly, it is indisputable that the drones target terrorists & terrorists only (remember Baitullah Mehsud?) & I don’t think Shehzad was targeting any terrorists in times square. In fact the military operation conducted by the Pakistani army has produced a lot more collateral damage than the drones ever have.

As for taking the war on the streets of America, you guys should really thank your lucky stars that the bomb in times square didn’t go off because if it would’ve, you guys would really be toast right now. So, as much as it is in america’s interest to protect it’s borders, it’s even more imortant for Pakistan that there are no more terror attacks in the US (successful or foiled) emanating from your soil because if that happens, you will face some serious consequences & retaliation & no one will be able to save you guys.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28616 Sun, 09 May 2010 15:14:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28616 The push-button war that CIA counter-terrorism Air Force is waging in Pakistan with its drones will have its consequences. The war has been taken back to streets of New York and until there is an end, it could have more consequences. Both Pakistan and US are allies and are working together on this investigation. Indians only found one more opportunity to spew their hatred towards Pakistan. Both Pakistan and US need to work on common interests and address their differences to build mutual trust to defeat terrorism.
Posted by Umairpk
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That’s a dangerous tone you are taking. I am curious why you think this individual’s actions were justified, given that he’s a (by any definition) middle to upper class Pakistani who has lived for years in the US and has scarcely (if at all) been impacted by the drone attacks in the tribal areas? Similar reasoning was used by the 9/11 attackers. Do you support this rationale?

You know damn well that those drone attacks take place with the complicity of your armed forces and government…which by your reasoning would also make bombings against your fellow citizens justified (see how that works?). You also know that those drone attacks would not be necessary if the Pakistani government and military had ensured that your tribal areas were not a threat to global peace and security (this isn’t just about the US, your “non-state actors” are now found in Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Russia, the Balkans, the Middle East, etc.).

And if we are to take this line of thinking further, are we to now consider Pakistan to be a hostile nation and all Pakistanis hostile to the West? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28588 Fri, 07 May 2010 15:09:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28588 @ “Dear Indian friends I had some problems with my DSL connection and just switched to my wirless backup, will be around to answer your propaganda. Good Luck! Be Safe!”
Posted by Umairpk

You be safe too buddy! But it’s kindda hard to be safe here, you know with the “non-state actors” from your country trying to blow us up and all. Anyways, see you around.

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28579 Fri, 07 May 2010 08:04:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28579 Dear Indian friends
I had some problems with my DSL connection and just switched to my wirless backup, will be around to answer your propaganda. Good Luck! Be Safe!

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28578 Fri, 07 May 2010 08:02:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28578 The push-button war that CIA counter-terrorism Air Force is waging in Pakistan with its drones will have its consequences. The war has been taken back to streets of New York and until there is an end, it could have more consequences. Both Pakistan and US are allies and are working together on this investigation. Indians only found one more opportunity to spew their hatred towards Pakistan. Both Pakistan and US need to work on common interests and address their differences to build mutual trust to defeat terrorism.

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By: Seth http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/04/times-square-bombing-was-the-inspiration-from-the-u-s-or-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-28576 Fri, 07 May 2010 02:50:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5245#comment-28576 @Mortal1

Well said!

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