Comments on: Pakistan-despite failed NY attack, change will be slow in coming http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28678 Fri, 14 May 2010 23:09:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28678 @G-W
You have lost the bet sir. Obama is unlikely to deliver Afghanistan to neocon republicans. Perhaps you should give him a tip how to exit without suffering the fate of Vietnam. Pakistan is in no position to help Obama either in this endeavour. Wars are fought on battle grounds and not in the congress, they also have their own momentum. The US is in no position to take on a fight with the nuclear armed country otherwise they would have incvaded Korea and Iran long time ago. Who says that Iran does not have a nuclear arsenal of their own. Let us leave Pakistan alone, its army has more lethal force than the vietnamese army. Remember the old Indian saying, the barking dogs seldom bite. I would not take threats from the lady seriously. The threats from the defence secretary or the President are usually serious and can sometimes cause the reaction from the thratened party prematuredly. The US is a bankrupt country and in no position to start a third front in the subcontinent next to China. The US would have delegated this task to India who I doubt has the stomach for a nuclear response.
Rex Minor

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28645 Tue, 11 May 2010 21:26:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28645 @KpSingh01

I sincerely hope that the U.S. is not contemplating a thrust into the heartland of Pakistan.

Pakistani’s need to realize that better co-operation with the U.S. will actually lead to their success in Afghanistan and their leaving quicker as well.

If Obama fails to deliver Afghanistan, you can bet, I guarantee you 1000% the warhawk neocon Republic Americans want to attack Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran to secure energy highways and pipelines.

If Pakistan fails to help Obama win Afghanistan and curb its militantism, Pakistani decision making is actually aiding and abetting and allowing the NEOCONS to create reasons to start more jousting with Iran and invade Pakistan. Nobody wants that. That is why Pakistani’s need to comply more and bend over backwards to deliver.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28641 Tue, 11 May 2010 15:37:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28641 @Keithz,

“There’s even some wondering here as to why India didn’t blockade Pakistan post-Mumbai to do just that.”

–>Keithz, simple answer, while India is willing to do battles with Pakistan, at the end of the day, Pakistani’s are Indians. We Indians do actually have a soft heart for Pakistani’s because they are Indians, that is why we returned 90,000 POW’s unharmed. That is why during 1965 and Kargil, we left Pakistan alone. Indians have no desire to hurt, maim or kill unarmed defenseless Pakistani’s muslims, because they are our family at the end of the day, we can never hurt family. Albeit, a dysfunctional family. Yes, we could have hit Karachi, their oil depots, or damns, but we Hindus actually do not want to hurt Pakistan or Pakisatani’s, because they are Indians, despite partition and despite being muslim.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28640 Tue, 11 May 2010 15:31:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28640 @UmairPk,

I do agree with you, Pakistani’s are a resilient tough bunch. But you must realize even steel, if it is pulled hard enough, will snap. Pakistan will come to a point, where it will be pulled hard in every direction and snap.

What happens after that, really depends on how you punjabi’s choose to co-operate with your nuclear masters. Things can be very good for Pakistani’s or the exact opposite. There does not have to be any civil war.

The world is getting tired of being held hostage by Pakistani student terrorists. We have right to dictate terms, if we are giving money, aid and having our families butchered in Afghanistan.

Pakistani’s need to wake up and go with the flow and demand democratic reformation of Pakistan. That meaning, Punjabi’s step back a little, give the Balochis and Pashtuns a greater voice, if you keep people happy, they will not want foreign fighters and terrorists on their soil. And finally your army must eliminate all terrorist camps and shut down the madrassa-suicide factories and all Anti-India elements.

The world demands this of Pakistan, wholeheartedly and fully, no exceptions. The best way to save your country and stabilize it, is to purge it of all jihadi elements, bar none.

As you see, when we see Faizal Shahzad’s in New York, while Pakistan continues to make nukes out of IMF loan money, you truly have to understand our point of view, just step back and try it for once, we see only chaos coming out of Pakistan, in its current course.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28638 Tue, 11 May 2010 15:11:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28638 @NONPAK, Keithz,

It seems like the great Punjabi Experiment of Pakistan is really, when you look at its totally from its inception an utter failure.

Sure muslims wanted to separate from India, that is fine, but those muslims did not want forced punjabi rule. This is the cause of all terrorism in Pakistan, at the end of the day, India is being used as a enemy and the politics of religion and hatred as a tool for unity, it is not working and will fail, eventually.

It is best if the world think tanks, come up with a way to re-distribute and re-equalize power between all the muslims equally in Pakistan and even look at facilitating Pakistan’s division into 4 or 5 autonomous states with greater equal voices in Parliament and decentralization. This is one way to keep all of the ethnicities that have grievances, to keep them happy. They are tired of being ruled over.

If this does not happen, you can expect to see hundreds of Failal Shahzad’s in the future, as there are many more in the making and the central power brokers in Pakistan lack the spine, will and resolve to really want to do any thing about it, as they are quite ok with their septic tank overflowing into other people’s back yard.

The stench to the rest of us is unbearable though.

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By: NONPAK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28637 Tue, 11 May 2010 11:39:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28637 The only way out of this quagmire is for Pakistan to be further partitioned, as it partitioned from India – as it was partitioned from Bangladesh.

Partitioned into manageable 3 or 4 states and let their civil society be given a chance to progress. At the moment its the Pakistani Army that own a country unlike normal countries that have an Army.

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By: Seth http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28628 Mon, 10 May 2010 04:26:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28628 rrdas says:
“actually if the muslims didnt have indians, jews, americans etc to fight against they would still be fighting – against each other”

My take is that even if all pakistani muslims are transported to some other planet leaving everyone else behind (or vice-versa), they will still be planning & executing terrorist attacks on the other planet and dream of bringing infidels under those glorious days of islamic rule.

I’m not sure if same can be said about Turkey, Iran, or Arabs.

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By: rrdas http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28625 Sun, 09 May 2010 19:23:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28625 actually if the muslims didnt have indians, jews, americans etc to fight against they would still be fighting – against each other.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28620 Sun, 09 May 2010 15:43:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28620 Umair,

Look at Faizal Shahzad’s CV. That could easily have been you.

I hope you finally realize how the anti-americanism, anti-Indian, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-West propaganda is proving corrosive to Pakistani minds, the world over.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/06/pakistan-despite-failed-ny-attack-change-will-be-slow-in-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-28619 Sun, 09 May 2010 15:40:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5267#comment-28619 Pakistan is a huge country of 170 million muslims, an Army and nuclear stockpile. US better refrain from recklessness here as it will be difficult to get away with it. Last time Soviets made a mess out of Afghanistan, my hope is Americans don’t succeed in dictating terms with Pakistan.
-posted by Umairpk

Oh it won’t be that difficult. Given that Pakistan survives on something like 3 weeks worth of crude oil, it really wouldn’t take too many sanctions to bring Pakistan to its knees. There’s even some wondering here as to why India didn’t blockade Pakistan post-Mumbai to do just that.

As for the nukes. Who cares? They can’t reach the US. And if they do (let’s say by suitcase), you can be sure that for every one that lands up in the US, at least 10 will come the other way. If anything like that ever happens, Pakistan will become, what those of us in uniform call “a glass parking lot”. Heck, you better pray that some jihadi minded scientist isn’t slipping out special nuclear materials from a lab as we speak. And by the way that guarantee applies to any attack on any US ally as well. Let’s say that suitcase was to end up in Canada or Japan or Israel or the UK, you can expect a similar American response.
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Pakistan will have to put its act together to face the challenges ahead.
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How long have we been hearing that line now? We have a saying in the West, “If you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem.” If Pakistan can’t get the job done, just get out of the way, and let the Yanks do the job. If Pakistanis are so dedicated to their sovereignty, they better make sure that their “non-state actors” doesn’t impinge on the sovereignty of other nations. Nobody will give a fig about Pakistani sovereignty if Pakistan doesn’t do more to ensure that jihad central in the FATA isn’t shut down.

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