Comments on: In Pakistan, making sense of the “do more” mantra http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-29136 Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:14:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-29136 @anesh Prasad
You are asking too much of a muslim state to get off their jehadis*****. First they do not understand your jibberish language and secondly for a muslim to forget Jihad is like asking an FBI man to forget his dective work. Please have mercy on them, Jehad is the only usable weapon they have got left to fight the infidels. They do not yet know how to use the nukes against you. By the way you are not an infidel, are you. If not you should’nt worry about their Jihad. I am sure they are going to find the infidels among themselves.
Rex Minor

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-29001 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:17:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-29001 kEiThZ said:

> But it all hinges on Pakistan and India putting their rivalry behind them.

Don’t be so damned infuriatingly even-handed, Keith! It’s not even cute anymore. We all know who the bottleneck is. And they need to get off their jihadist ****s and think constructively for a change.

India has been ready to make peace for decades. Just not with terrorists.

Ganesh Prasad

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28999 Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:37:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28999 A South Asian Union would undoubtedly be a force to be reckoned with. More people than any other economic entity in the world. Fifth largest geographical area of any economic entity (behind the NAFTA zone, Russia, Brazil and the EU). In a few years, they could easily be the world’s largest economy.

On and on….the advantages are incredible. The disadvantages miniscule or non-existent. But it all hinges on Pakistan and India putting their rivalry behind them.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28962 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 03:03:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28962 @Prasadgc,

Than you Prasad. I have always felt that if all of India’s neighbours smartened up and realize that we are all a part of the same historical make up and same culture, despite the fact that we have different religions, nobody can push us or bully us around. I mean all…like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Maldives…all these countries have so many likenesses and we should not let political or religious differences be a roadblock or hindrance to our goals as nations, we CAN have a shared destiny if we work together and reject outside forces like China who seek to elevate themselves by keeping us divided and fighting. The truth of the matter is, that if we formed a South Asian Union, we would be a force to be reckoned with and China will try hand in claw to do everthing to prevent that.

It just baffles me how Pakistani’s can see the Chinese as some sort of common friends, can you get a dosa, lassi or samosa in China? Do we share clothes, language, culture or anything with China?..no. Chinese don’t think much of the south asians…no matter who they are, Pak, Indian or Nepalese.

The south asians need to form a pact and build friendships that are enduring and built on mutual culture, history, language and many other things.

I still believe the only thing that will save Pakistan from its own suicidal behavior is its “all weather enemy” and big brother India.

Poor Pakistani’s need to wake up and realize that they are being used as a proxy by China. China cares damn for Islam, cares damn for religion, cares damn for Indo-Pak culture and cares damn for Pakistani peoples, let alone its own people. All weather friend my foot, more like all weather user.

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28946 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:48:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28946 G-W said:

> Pakistan has much to gain in every manner by abandoning extremist Islam and abandoning China and joining and making a pact with India, think about it Umair, it is time for revolution, time for a paradigm shift, do you have the courage and heart to contemplate such a thing?
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> Don’t let the mistakes of your forefathers and the politics of the past, drag your country and your futures to hell.

My sentiments exactly.

Look at the populations of the countries in our neighbourhood.

China 1338 million
India 1182 million
Pakistan 170 million
Bangladesh 162 million

Now do the math. India + Pakistan + Bangladesh = 1514 million, which dwarfs China! And this is without adding Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives. The South Asian Free Trade Zone, when it becomes a reality, will cause great envy in China.

China isn’t a sentimental country. No sane country is. If they act like Pakistan’s “all-weather friend” against India, it’s because it’s always in their interest to keep Pakistan and India apart. Ordinary Pakistanis should see this. Today, their country is a pariah in the world. Anyone in the world would complete the adjective “Pakistani” with the noun “terrorist”, which is a great pity. Pakistanis can turn their fortunes around dramatically by seeing through the scheme of their “all-weather friend” and making peace with India. You will win respect and prosperity on a scale you are not used to.

The South Asian Union (on the lines of the European Union) will be bigger than China. We (all of us, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis) will be part of the largest political entity on earth, and could one day be part of the largest economic entity on earth as well. Even China will not dare stay miffed with Pakistan for long, when it’s part of such a powerful entity.

By the way, don’t see this as an Indian begging for a favour. India doesn’t need Pakistan. India will be more populous than China by the middle of the century, anyway. And India is mending fences quite nicely with Bangladesh, because Bangadesh has seen the virtue of making peace with its rising neighbour. There is prosperity in store for anyone who aligns with India, and one by one, the countries of the world are lining up to do business. It appears that only Pakistan has not seen the light.

Interesting that the one man in Pakistan who does see the light is reviled by Pakistanis as “Mister ten percent”. If you look really hard, you’ll see that your much-admired army is made up of Mister hundred percents.

Wake up, guys!

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28923 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28923 @007
Sorry, you are not with it.
Rex Minor

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By: 007XXX http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28909 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:41:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28909 @Rex Minor
“By the way, unlike your interpretation, I do not know what was ‘civil’ about the battles between the Yankees and the southerners. The answers to some of the questions;”

I was simply refering to the timeline there and not discussing war between yankies and southeners but if u still want to know what was civil in that war then go check that oxford dictionary according to which u say India and Pakistan are not a nation. Thats ur problem, whenever u r found wanting for ur logic u try to turn away from the topic. Are we discussing American Civil War here that u put up that question?

@”The people must be a full partner of the Army and the political and judicial institutions”

Are you saying that right now people in India are not full partner of Army and political and judicial institutions? This is a serious claim and you better provide substantial support to ur statement or clarify ur context beyond any kind of doubt or otherwise I will definitely report it as abusive.

And on kashmir:
1. Kashmir in no imagination can be an independent nation because even if india and pakistan renounce their claim on kashmir even then there is china that will have no second thought in annexing kashmir.
2. Even if china does not annex kashmir then also independent kashmir cannot survive economically without India or Pakistan. And since pakistan cannot support itself financially leave aside supporting kashmir. So kashmiris again look to india for a market. Sample the case of nepal.
3. And given current scenario of pakistan and india no wise kashmiri is going to choose pakistan over india.
4. So eventually one day kashmir will be united and will always depend on new delhi.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28904 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:25:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28904 @keItHz
I guess we look at things with a different angle. I do not disagree with your straight statements and I am suggesting nothing dramatic as you suppose. For India or Pakistan for that matter, it is not difficult to attain a Nation staus in view of their ‘commom’ history and Institutions. The democratic process is more complicated. The criterion used by the All india muslim league for creating a separate Pakistan was faulty. Mr Jinnah followed by others tried but failed. The Indian Congress leaders had no such religion boundries and normally they had a clean start. But then they bogged themself down with petty excuses and became the victim themselves of a certain part of the population who were prepared to aggressively oppose what the Indian Congress Party had originally agreed with the colonialists and the muslim league leaders. Obviously both the Indian muslim league and the Congress part did not receive one hundred support of the Indian population. This is very normal in a democratic plebisite. Nowc let us imagine if the Kashmir had not taken the course that it did, the situation between India and Pakistan would have been as normal as between two friendly countries. Be as it is India has problems with Kashmir and this has influenced Indian Psyche, foreign policy and the internal events since the creation of the state in 40’s. The cohesiveness of the people’s loyalty to India’s constitution is not complete. No one in his tight mind would suggest that several ethnic groups should all have separate countries? But you need to consider the people’s wishes and not the territory. This is short sighted. The eastern part of Pakistan became independent since the wishes of the Bengalis were not incorporated satisfactorily within the institutions of Pakistan. The Indian leaders are marching on like Pakistan simply to hold the territory allocated to them by the Brits. and where necessary with the use of military. We have all wirtnessedc that this policy has failed in Pakistan to its detriment and if this continues further parts of so called Pakistan would separate. Are the Indian leaders going to follow the same route. Human intelligence says, they should not. As a first step the Indian military become a national army, and so should your instutions. The people must be a full partner of the Army and the political and judicial institutions. As soon as India attains this status it is a Nation. The political will of all the people must be the supreme task for a Nation. People are free to change their mind in the future, but right now, hanging on to Kashmir against the agreement of All India Congress and the muslim league has influenced your foreign policies, even closer to a communist power than to the qwestrrn democracies. Despite the quick fixes the Kashmir issue remains. It does not matter what Pakistan Govt. desires are? What is important are the kashmiris scattered around the world like Palestinians not satisfied with their current status in India and Pakistan. Unlike communism, Democracies do not hang on to territories and ignore the political desire of people. We have witnessed not very long ago the separation of Chechs from the Slovakia inspite of both being slowly integrated in Europe. So what in this millanium, the prognosis is that the twenty seven European countries would become the federation of European Republic having a single central Govt.

It would be easier for the Pakistan Govt. to follow suit and perhaps in the next milaniam become once again a large India. Do India have the leaders for this task, I am sure yes from the younger generation? I have no knowledge of today’s India!! You most probably have.
Rex Minor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28903 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:24:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28903 @keItHz
I guess we lookmat things with a different angle. I do not disagree with your straight statements and I am suggesting nothing dramatic as you suppose. For India or Pakistan for that matter, it is not difficult to attain a Nation staus in view of their ‘commom’ history and Institutions. The democratic process is more complicated. The criterion used by the All india muslim league for creating a separate Pakistan was faulty. Mr Jinnah followed by others tried but failed. The Indian Congress leaders had no such religion boundries and normally they had a clean start. But then they bogged themself down with petty excuses and became the victim themselves of a certain part of the population who were prepared to aggressively oppose what the Indian Congress Party had originally agreed with the colonialists and the muslim league leaders. Obviously both the Indian muslim league and the Congress part did not receive one hundred support of the Indian population. This is very normal in a democratic plebisite. Nowc let us imagine if the Kashmir had not taken the course that it did, the situation between India and Pakistan would have been as normal as between two friendly countries. Be as it is India has problems with Kashmir and this has influenced Indian Psyche, foreign policy and the internal events since the creation of the state in 40’s. The cohesiveness of the people’s loyalty to India’s constitution is not complete. No one in his tight mind would suggest that several ethnic groups should all have separate countries? But you need to consider the people’s wishes and not the territory. This is short sighted. The eastern part of Pakistan became independent since the wishes of the Bengalis were not incorporated satisfactorily within the institutions of Pakistan. The Indian leaders are marching on like Pakistan simply to hold the territory allocated to them by the Brits. and where necessary with the use of military. We have all wirtnessedc that this policy has failed in Pakistan to its detriment and if this continues further parts of so called Pakistan would separate. Are the Indian leaders going to follow the same route. Human intelligence says, they should not. As a first step the Indian military become a national army, and so should your instutions. The people must be a full partner of the Army and the political and judicial institutions. As soon as India attains this status it is a Nation. The political will of all the people must be the supreme task for a Nation. People are free to change their mind in the future, but right now, hanging on to Kashmir against the agreement of All India Congress and the muslim league has influenced your foreign policies, even closer to a communist power than to the qwestrrn democracies. Despite the quick fixes the Kashmir issue remains. It does not matter what Pakistan Govt. desires are? What is important are the kashmiris scattered around the world like Palestinians not satisfied with their current status in India and Pakistan. Unlike communism, Democracies do not hang on to territories and ignore the political desire of people. We have witnessed not very long ago the separation of Chechs from the Slovakia inspite of both being slowly integrated in Europe. So what in this millanium, the prognosis is that the twenty seven European countries would become the federation of European Republic having a single central Govt.

It would be easier for the Pakistan Govt. to follow suit and perhaps in the next milaniam become once again a large India. Do India have the leaders for this task, I am sure yes from the younger generation? I have no knowledge of today’s India!! You most probably have.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/05/19/in-pakistan-making-sense-of-the-do-more-mantra/comment-page-2/#comment-28872 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:09:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5382#comment-28872 Pakistan has much to gain in every manner by abandoning extremist Islam and abandoning China and joining and making a pact with India, think about it Umair, it is time for revolution, time for a paradigm shift, do you have the courage and heart to contemplate such a thing?

Don’t let the mistakes of your forefathers and the politics of the past, drag your country and your futures to hell.

Posted by G-W
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Well put. I imagine India and Pakistan eventually becoming like Canada and the US. Free trade. Easy movements across the border. At that point, will the border in Kashmir even matter, when you can drive across in minutes?

And maybe eventually, all of South Asia can become the next EU. No border posts. Live anywhere. Work anywhere. Imagine what South Asia would be like then.

But to achieve all this, people have to advance beyond their narrow minded nationalism and jingoism.

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