Comments on: Taliban talks and the lobster quadrille http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29568 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:29:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29568 Keithz, you said

“As for the nukes, meh. Pakistan may have a first strike policy, but I doubt the PA is so suicidal as to actually risk a massive Indian retaliation.”

–>No worries matey, India is developing a robust missile defence shield that detects launches from the launch source and thereby reacting immediately. The word massive retaliation is a gross understatement…I think you can call it retaliation with the intent to decimate recoverability.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29567 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:26:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29567 I am curious to see what happens, when the Russians actually join the western alliances and get together and start co-operating with regards to terrorism and rogue nations that proliferate to make money. In the mean time, it is in India’s interest to expand trade with China and ALL neighbours and build strategic military alliances with Russia, USA and Israel. India has to do nothing but sit by, prosper, and watch the Punjabi’s there slowly implode Pakistan on the heads of average poor Pakistani’s.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29542 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:44:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29542 “No Taliban regime will be able to work with Iran”

You should talk to the Taliban in Farah, Herat or Nimruz.

“any Taliban government of Afghan government with Taliban elements will need Pakistan for access to the Sea, for trade, for food”

The road the Indians built them to an Iranian port is working out fantastically actually.

“you can’t be Afghanistan and be Pakistan’s enemy, you don’t survive, ask Hamid Karzai.”

Can’t be enemies. Doesn’t mean they have to be friends.

“The west will also be in no position to turn their back on Pakistan. ”

Till the last NATO/US soldier leaves. After that, Pakistan will be about as important as it was pre-9/11….basically a headache that came to mind every time there was a terrorist attack or a new proliferation scheme was found.

“After all that effort, hundreds of billions of dollars, you’ll want a piece of the pie, you’ll want to be involved with the gas pipelines and the oil pipelines and the mineral wealth.”

Hahahaha. You really believe that don’t you? I know everybody dreams about these pipelines. But ask an engineer about how technically feasible they are. And then ask a security consultant how much it would cost to protect them. It’s outside the scope of most western companies to care. Maybe the Chinese will come in with their usual bad bargains and do the job. But I doubt any western multi-nationals want a piece of this.

As for aid money. It’s already been spent.
“Unless your going to befriend the Ayatollah you’ll need our sea ports. You can’t fly that out of Afghanistan.”

Why not? Several NATO countries have actually gotten overflight permission from Iran. Just because the Americans have bad relations with Iran, doesn’t mean everybody does. And I doubt the Iranians aren’t going to give overflight permissions for US troops withdrawing from the region.

“As for the Taliban monster, Pakistan is more than capable of handling any militants on it’s own turf.”

Bang up job you did in Swat. How long did that take? How’s it going in Chitral, Dir, the Waziristans?

“The fight was taken to them in Kargil, they had no choice.”

Which if I recall correctly, resulted in Pakistan making zero tactical or strategic gains, earning worldwide condemnation, sanctions and increased domestic pressure in India to actually spend more on defence.

If that’s a smart move, I can’t wait for the encore!

As for the nukes, meh. Pakistan may have a first strike policy, but I doubt the PA is so suicidal as to actually risk a massive Indian retaliation.

Aside from that, I am pretty sure, erstwhile ally China, might have reservations about the use of nukes, given that they are downwind from any potential fallout.

So if I were Indian, I would not be too worried.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29512 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:01:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29512 @ “Has anyone ever bothered to research the level of trade volume between Pakistan and the West and Pakistan and China? Bothered to look at the trends? We’re not reliant on the west for trade any more, we have China right next door”
Posted by platinum786

Maybe you need to recheck the “source” of your info. Pakistan’s annual exports to the US/UK are worth $20.6 bn (16.1 to US + 4.5 to UK) & it’s exports to China are worth $4.2 bn wheras Pakistan’s imports from US/UK are worth $5.6 bn (4.8 + 0.8) & it’s imports from China are worth $14.3 bn. What this basically means, is that every year Pakistan makes $15 bn from US/UK while China makes $10.1 from Pakistan. If I include other western countries/US allies, the net gain will be even higher for Pakistan.
(The figures are for 2009, Source: economywatch)

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By: platinum786 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29496 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:35:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29496 I think Umair is correct. Pakistan has one major advantage, geographical significance. No Taliban regime will be able to work with Iran, any Taliban government of Afghan government with Taliban elements will need Pakistan for access to the Sea, for trade, for food, you can’t be Afghanistan and be Pakistan’s enemy, you don’t survive, ask Hamid Karzai.

The west will also be in no position to turn their back on Pakistan. After all that effort, hundreds of billions of dollars, you’ll want a piece of the pie, you’ll want to be involved with the gas pipelines and the oil pipelines and the mineral wealth. Unless your going to befriend the Ayatollah you’ll need our sea ports. You can’t fly that out of Afghanistan.

On top of all that, we still have China, the emerging super power. Has anyone ever bothered to research the level of trade volume between Pakistan and the West and Pakistan and China? Bothered to look at the trends? We’re not reliant on the west for trade any more, we have China right next door.

As for the Taliban monster, Pakistan is more than capable of handling any militants on it’s own turf. For a start the current generation knows who is putting it into power, the generation before them knows who put them in power, they also know those who don’t toe the line are removed from the picture, ask Mullah Baradar. He tried to do his own deal, and was taken out of the picture.

You all seem to think the Taliban is some mental religious group. Realistically is made up of factions, different tribes, different motives, money, drugs, jihad, ethnic control etc. The ISI has plenty to play with.

Furthermore Pakistan doesn’t have to worry about a body count of wiki leaks. Dead soldiers are “martyrs” not “tragic losses of young lives”, Amnesty International reports are “grossly misinformed”. When the Pakistan army decides to march, you don’t stand in the way, you don’t even lurk in the shadows any more. Yes the Taliban in Pakistan are causing us damage, but take away the Jihad and where will the jihadi go? Besides Pakistan has a track record of diverting these types, after the defeat of the last super power those who didn’t want a day job, got send to the Central Asian states and Chechnya to further break the back of the soviet Union, and to Kashmir.

Finally don’t worry about India, we have nuclear weapons, and a first strike policy, that tends to help keep that issue where it is. For all it’s bit talk, India has mobilised by failed to act twice now, since the nuclear spectrum appeared. The fight was taken to them in Kargil, they had no choice.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29326 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:25:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29326 RexMinor:

@ It is the Afghan peoples choice what sort of leaders they choose as their leaders and the head who sits in Kabul.”
—Well I was asking your opinion.

@I abhore violence and loss of innocent life. Equally, I have understanding for the people who resist oppression and try to protect their families.”
—Most of us abhor violence. But whom were the “eagles” (Taliban) resisting before 9/11? There was no West that time.

@I am soory, I am not aware of the LeT activities, perhaps the CIA,CNN expert or the ex Pakistan military chief could throw light on the group activities.:
—well then there is no point me addressing your 2 points. you will not understand.

Have fun watching football!

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By: Seekeroftruth http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29321 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:42:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29321 Rex Minor waxes eloquently “I am soory, I am not aware of the LeT activities”.

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ha ha.

Defeating you will not be through blogging…that’s for sure…be unaware….and stay “soory”.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29306 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:57:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29306 @RajeeK
Sorry, With regard to your reference to LeT. Now I have two questions.
1. In your view is there any group of people in the world you recognise as a genuine ‘resistance’, or do you classify all groups striving for independence from the foreign powers are all radical insurgent terrorists?
2. In my view it is unfortunate that in the case of Kashmir, violence was used to annexe their territory between India and Pakistan. They are scattered in the whole of UK, mainly as a result of the military agression in their land. Do you beleve that they have rights that most humans aspire for i.e, independence and self rule.
A fair answer to these questions would enable us to look at the so called extremists from a slightly different angle, and if this concept is universaly supported in the United Nation, the people of the world could have fewer conflicts than we have today.
I am soory, I am not aware of the LeT activities, perhaps the CIA,CNN expert or the ex Pakistan military chief could throw light on the group activities.

The football season has started and let me enjoy the football matadors in South Africa. Have a nice day.
Rex minor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29305 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:15:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29305 @RajeeK
Let me try again to reply your questions.
1. It is the Afghan peoples choice what sort of leaders they choose as their leaders and the head who sits in Kabul. No one should imagine occupying the Kabul post without the approval of Pashtoons from the south, which includes the tribes of Karzai and Mullah Omar! The taliban label is a distraction and the smoke screen used by the foreign powers,Karzai as well as the resistance eagles.
2.The label “Pakistan Taliban” is in my observation being used to classify the resistance groups who are fighting the military intrusion in their territory on both sides of the border. In view of the PA advance the century old agreement with the Brits and later with the Pakistan Govt. is now in question. The so called Pakistan Talibans are now going to operate in the heartland of Pakistan including major cities. In my view following the example of Afghanistan, no future Pakistan Govt. would be able to operate without the approval of Pashtoons from the North.
I abhore violence and loss of innocent life. Equally, I have understanding for the people who resist oppression and try to protect their families. I have no personal experience in ‘surrender’, therefore reserve my comments. The one thing I am certain about is the aggression of the USA military in Afghanistan, and the shabby intrusion of Pakistan military in the Pashtoon holy land. I believe these actions could have been avoided if the aggressor could speak the language of the opponents and understand their culture and traditions.
Have a nice day,
Rex Minors

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/06/taliban-talks-and-the-lobster-quadrille/comment-page-1/#comment-29235 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5461#comment-29235 @RajeevK
I made an attempt to answer your questions and provided further clarification of my previous post, however, it would seem that the moderator has deleted it. Sorryfor that. The same moderator most probably keep stating “welcome back Pakistan”.
Rex Minor

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