Comments on: Pakistan’s historical narrative and its education system http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-2/#comment-30261 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:42:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30261 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/edit orial/militancy-and-education-770

A Pakistani take on the Brookings report.

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By: SatishChadha http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-2/#comment-30217 Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:17:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30217 An interesting reading for you all of the State of ‘Curricula and Textbooks’ in Pakistan. Please read page 81 onwards the Report of the project “A Civil Society Initiative in Curricula and Textbooks Reform” at Website: http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/S tate%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-2/#comment-30201 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:21:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30201 @tupak_shakir

Myra has a well written article with several points. Instead of trying to pick an argument with me hoe about addressing the points made about the impact of your national narrative on the insecurity your country faces?

As a Westerner who studies the region for a living and helps advise my government on its role in the region, I am interested in knowing why these studies show empirical evidence that an education drives extremist sentiments. If it’s not your national narrative then what is it? I’ve read the whole Brookings report. If your up for a discussion can you start by telling us where they are wrong?

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By: tupak_shakir http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-2/#comment-30195 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:19:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30195 gw, your subject change indicates you don’t know our national narrative.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-2/#comment-30194 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:39:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30194 @Tupak,

You Pakistani’s are wasting too much energy on managing perceptions and defending your political positions. What you really need to do, is something more profound. You need to first ask yourself, who are we as a people of Pakistan, what should we be known for? How will the history books view Pakistan? What type of Islam do you want in Pakistan. Do we want a Pakistan that is in perpetual enmity with reason, logic, its neighbours and constantly self-destructing?

Politically speaking, the national pre-occupation is too heavy on religious importance, maintaining enmity with India and using anyway possible to deflect blame and finding creative conspiracy stories to avoid having to face reality.

Pakistan needs to stare all its demons in the face to come to terms with them, that includes all past wars started by your country upon Indians and Bengali’s. From admission of mistakes and admission of failures, truth can come and once you are honest with yourself and get off your arrogant high horse, you can remove the blinds from your eyes and wake up.

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By: tupak_shakir http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-2/#comment-30193 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:16:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30193 So here we have an example of not knowing a damn thing about pak yet everyone here is an expert on our narrative.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-1/#comment-30186 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 04:04:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30186 @Keithz,

Was the narrative not, Pakistan for muslims? This has given rise to the gifts of militantism and loving treatment of all non-muslims and “unconstitutional muslim sects”, like we see with Ahmadi’s and Sufi’s.

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By: tupak_shakir http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-1/#comment-30165 Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:43:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30165 Kiethz,

1. Please enlighten us. What do you think Pakistan’s national narrative is?

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By: tupak_shakir http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-1/#comment-30164 Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:04:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30164 Kiethz,

1. Please enlighten us. What do you think Pakistan’s national narrative is? I am curious to know what our national narrative is according to you.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/06/28/pakistans-historical-narrative-and-its-education-system/comment-page-1/#comment-30162 Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:28:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5601#comment-30162 Umair,

Do they have ostriches in Pakistan? You seem quite well-versed in their behaviour.

Did you even read the article and its links before your ‘Defend Pakistan’s reflex kicked in?

No doubt there maybe a handful of good universities. But they’ll largely be useless if you don’t have a good base feeding them. Garbage in. Garbage out.

The chronic under-investment in basic education is undoubtedly limiting Pakistan’s potential. But to some extent even the Indians do that (though Pakistan is much worse). But that’s not the point. You want to hurt your own economic potential, why should anybody else care right? More important is the point that the school system is perepetuating a narrative that’s actually driving conflict with Pakistan’s neighbours and inside the country itself. That point you completely missed when you didn’t read the article.

Now would you care to refute any of Myra’s actual points or will you persist with your intellectually dishonest mantra of, “Alll izzzz welll!”.

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