Pakistan’s policy on Afghanistan: finding the devil in the detail

June 28, 2010

petraeus kayaniIn the increasingly frenetic debate about what to do about Afghanistan, Antonio Giustozzi has a must-read report on prospects for negotiating with the Taliban. In particular, he offers a rare window into Pakistan’s often opaque policy towards Afghanistan by providing the context within which Pakistan might be able to bring the Taliban into a political settlement .

Giustozzi presents a far more nuanced picture than the one commonly assumed, describing significant overlaps between various militant groups - the Tehrik-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan (TTP),  the Afghan Taliban led by Mullah Muhammad Omar,  the Haqqani network and the Hizb-e-Islami of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, with only the latter seen as an independent entity.  (These overlaps are crucial to establishing whether Afghan insurgents could be weakened through a policy of “divide and rule” or whether any negotiations on a settlement would need to involve the Taliban movement, and its leadership, as a whole.) 

“The different networks that comprise the Taliban have somewhat different ideological leanings and allegiances, with some groups being more radical than others, or closer to the Pakistani armed forces and intelligence services, or again closer to trans-national jihadist networks such as al Qaeda,” he says.  While the Haqqani network had close ties with the Pakistan Army and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, “this closeness is not appreciated by most other Taliban networks, who are either hostile to the Pakistani authorities … or at the very least are unwilling to be controlled by the Pakistanis.

“In turn, the Haqqani network in particular has been trying to contain the antagonistic attitude of some of the more radical Pakistani Taliban leaders such as Baitullah Mehsud (who was killed last year) and his successors toward the Pakistani armed forces; Mullah Omar himself has made efforts to rein them in, although not as proactively.”

But it would be wrong, Giustozzi argues, to assume these different ideological leanings suggested the Taliban movement was fragmented; rather among the different militant groups, only the Hizb-e-Islami could be described as organisationally distinguished. And while there had been some tension between the Haqqani group and Mullah Omar, there was no formal split. Nor indeed was there any evidence that an expansion of operations by the Haqqani group in Afghanistan had created tensions with fighters loyal to Mullah Omar. “This is clearly not the reaction one would expect if the Haqqani network was seen by the Taliban leadership in Quetta as a separate, competing organisation.”

The Haqqani network is believed to be based in North Waziristan, a stronghold of the TTP, or Pakistani Taliban. Unlike the TTP, blamed for a string of bomb attacks inside Pakistan, the Haqqani network has focused exclusively on fighting in Afghanistan.  Pakistan has resisted U.S. pressure to launch a military operation against militants in North Waziristan, saying it must first consolidate gains made elsewhere in its tribal areas. According to some media reports, including this one in Dawn newspaper, it has also offered to help broker a rapprochement between the Haqqani group and the government in Kabul.  The implication of Giustozzi’s assessment, however, would suggest the Haqqani group would follow Mullah Omar’s lead in any negotiations, or at the very least move in tandem.

Giustozzi also highlights the ambivalence towards Pakistan of the Afghan Taliban.  ”The Taliban relationship with Pakistan also is difficult to define with precision, despite being undeniable. The Pakistani army clearly sees the Taliban as a useful tool for its geopolitical ambitions in Afghanistan, but among the Taliban, the Pakistani patron is far from being popular. Apart from Haqqani and his network (always the closest to the Pakistanis), the other networks more tolerate Pakistani influence than appreciate it.”

Pakistan flexed its muscles earlier this year by arresting Taliban commander  Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar outside Karachi, signalling to other insurgent  leaders, including Mullah Omar, that they could not take for granted the safe haven that they had sought in Pakistani territory after the Taliban government in Kabul was toppled in 2001. This in turn raised expectations that Pakistan could force Mullah Omar to the negotiating table – provided its interests in Afghanistan were accommodated, notably in regards to Indian influence there.

Giustozzi however notes that the Afghan Taliban are also in a position to put pressure on Pakistan via the Pakistani Taliban if it pushes them too hard. “To some extent, the distinction between Afghan and Pakistani Taliban is arbitrary,” he writes, noting that different sub-groups and affiliations operated on both sides of the Durand Line – the poorly demarcated border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.  While the Haqqani network had been influential on the Pakistani side of the border for years, there was also evidence that the TTP acknowledged Mullah Omar as a leader and saw itself as an integral part of the Taliban movement.

“Mullah Omar, as the leader of the movement as a whole, avoids siding too closely with any particular network. So although Mullah Omar is against confronting the Pakistani armed forces … he has exercised pressure on fellow leaders only within certain limits.  He clearly does not want to alienate important components of the movement, and might even have seen some use in using the more radical wing … (the TTP) … to increase his leverage vis-a-vis the Pakistani security establishment.”

If you take Giustozzi’s analysis to be correct – and he has a long track record of studying the Taliban – Pakistan is therefore faced with a delicate balancing act of trying to nudge the Taliban into talks, ensuring there is no backlash on its own territory, fighting the Pakistani Taliban in its tribal areas and maintaining an alliance with the United States. At the same time it is seeking to secure its own interests in Afghanistan, while also maintaining – according to most analysts – a level of plausible deniability about its links with insurgents.

Giustozzi says that the Taliban are trying to coordinate any moves towards a settlement with other insurgent groups, particularly with the Hizb-e-Islami (whose representatives have already held exploratory talks with Kabul). “Pakistani army sources indicate that the Pakistani authorities also are putting pressure on the two groups to move toward negotiations in a coordinated way,” he writes.  Pakistani diplomats and intelligence services were also actively trying to bridge the gap between different Islamist fundamentalist groups, including not only the Taliban but also former members of the mujahideen who fought the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.

The ultimate aim, he says, would be for the Taliban to form a coalition government incorporating other like-minded Islamist groups. “This also seems to be the desire of the Pakistani army and the ISI.”  (an objective unlikely to go down well with the non-Pashtun elements of the former Northern Alliance).

There’s far more in the report, including explanations as to how the Taliban have recruited and expanded; and its likely demands in any negotiations – all of which are more directly relevant to Afghanistan than Pakistan.  Do read the whole thing  - the full report (pdf) is here.

(File photo: Pakistan army chief General Kayani with General Petraeus)

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It is an understatement to say pakistan army has a delicate balancing act. Violent separatist groups have been known to abandon violence, however Haqqani terrorists and Taliban don’t belong to this category. Their whole existence, survival and power are derived from their militant activity.

It is sheer fantasy to think they are just about ready to abandon being militants and terrorists.

Also note the sheer fantasy of pak army/ISI and other paks like Umair who fantasize Afghanistan and India/ kashmir are pakistan’s problems. No they aren’t!

Whatever happens to Afghnaistan, the chickens are coming to the roost internally in pakistan…internal implosion is staring at pakistan, while pak army is indulging usual militaristic ambitions.

Posted by Seekeroftruth | Report as abusive

I think Pakistan is hurrying up to get the Americans back home. They are taking a big gamble at their attempt. If they plan everything with India in their minds, they will be making a big mistake that will come back to bite them very soon. I think they are hoping to get rid off the Americans from the region as quickly as possible and launch a proxy offensive immediately into Kashmir. This will help pull all factions together behind the Pak military and take the attention away from Afghanistan. All agitations inside Kashmir seem to be stage managed by Pak military. This will give them cover to get the Jihadi clones quickly assembled for a holy war into Kashmir just as soon as the Americans wave their flags off. A Kashmir offensive will put Afghan issues on the back burner for all militant factions, it will drive India off Afghanistan very quickly and help Pak military recover all the strength lost due to the American presence in the region. The only way to rally all the radical groups behind is to play the India/Kashmir card. It is very obvious what the next move will be. That is probably why the civil administration in Pakistan is suddenly cozying up with its Indian counterpart. This will help distract the attention away from the plan being hatched.

It is all deja vu now. We are going back to 1989 again. But it will be a very harsh proxy war launched by Pakistan. The sleeping beauties in New Delhi should be reading the symptoms now and make counter plans. India should start warming up the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to hit the factions from behind. By 2011, it will not be North Waziristan, but Kashmir that will burn.

Being encouraged by the “defeat” of the Americans, Pak military will use the euphoria to rally all the factions behind and go all out to take on India in Kashmir. I am sure LeT and other militant groups are preparing for a simultaneous effort inside the hinterlands of India to hurt its economic centers and cripple trade and travel.

Pakistan is not going to bring peace to the region. It is going to blow air into the smoke and spread the fire. Obama is going to be busy fighting for his next elections soon. The American and British think tank experts and strategists will be getting ready to write books on what went wrong and rake millions.

Pakistan will play the Iran/China card to counter any economic blockade that can happen when the Kashmir offensive happens.

Of course all this can change if Dave Petraeous begins to succeed or the Haqqanis are killed by drones or Pakistan is forced to go into North Waziristan. I think Pakistan is hurrying in to broker a deal just to avoid going into North Waziristan. It all depends upon how the Americans are going to react in the near future. If they decide to go with the settlement, the next chapter in India-Pakistan conflict will begin. And it will be much worse this time.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

Pakistan is like a man who has 3 mistresses who are all now finding out about each other.

Posted by kEiThZ | Report as abusive

@Singh,

Rest assured, the Indians are NO sleeping beauties. India played its hand correctly in exercising restraint against Pakistan during the Mumbai Siege crisis.

India has also taken the time to greatly harden its military complex and defensive capabilities as well as spy satellites as well as an Israeli missile shield that detects upon launch and responds immediately.

The Indian anger at Mumbai was contained. Then next time, the Indian anger will be uncontainable. The hard line right wing politics may take India to a much more pro-active and aggressive posture, unlike the gentle approach by Mr. Singh’s government. You can also take comfort in knowing that the Indian votership does not have an eternal stomach for terrorism, that there will be loud cries for revenge and response to any terrorist misadventures in Kashmir or India.

The government and the Indian Army are more than capable of responding in kind and maintaining security.

With regards to Kashmir, if Pak Army intends to refocus on Kashmir terrorism, India should use every opportunity possible to gain evidences and proof of Pakistani state sponsored terrorism and with an angered United States, work, to declare Pakistan a rogue failed state at the UN level. The UN security council will vote against Pakistan, for any multilateral actions required to rectify the region.

At that point, a whole range of options to the international community will open up to deal with the nursery of terrorist camps in Kashmir, Waziristan, S. Punjab and anywhere else in terrorstan.

India will have the popular international vote on its side, on all issues regarding Pakistan. In this regards, if Pakistan resorts to its usual business model of terrorism, it may risk another war with India, which it will not win.

History keeps repeating itself. Pakistan keeps chasing its tail. Nothing good has been created for the citizens of Pakistan, since its 60years of inception. The elite punjabi’ feast and eat, while the poor in Pakistan are fed a diet of religion and propaganda and die for the punjabi’s in the shadow of their poverty, illiteracy ignorance.

India is on guard and will not concede one inch of soil.

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

G-W: “With regards to Kashmir, if Pak Army intends to refocus on Kashmir terrorism, India should use every opportunity possible to gain evidences and proof of Pakistani state sponsored terrorism and with an angered United States, work, to declare Pakistan a rogue failed state at the UN level. The UN security council will vote against Pakistan, for any multilateral actions required to rectify the region.”

China will veto any motion against Pakistan. Pak military is banking on that. Though the US might withdraw its troops from the region, the “defeat” in Afghanistan will force them to tweak things internationally to counter balance China. Expect the CIA to set off triggers inside Uighur land. This thing is going to get uglier, spreading far and wide unfortunately.

Pakistan is taking a big bet. If they fail, the monsters will eat them up from within for sure this time.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

Pakistan has been preparing for this moment for years now, the moment has come. A government of unity in Afghanistan, which is representative of all ethnic factions including Pashtuns. Nothing less. Las time when Soveits withdrew, different Mujahideen factions resorted to infighting. This time around only a unified multilateral approach will bring about peace and stability in Afghanistan.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive

Umairpk: “Pakistan has been preparing for this moment for years now, the moment has come. A government of unity in Afghanistan, which is representative of all ethnic factions including Pashtuns. Nothing less. Las time when Soveits withdrew, different Mujahideen factions resorted to infighting. This time around only a unified multilateral approach will bring about peace and stability in Afghanistan.”

The goal is lofty. But the non-Pashtun tribes might not like to deal with the Taliban. I don’t know how Pakistan is going to manage convincing them to come to the same table with the Taliban. Abdullah Abdullah is already raising objections. Hopefully Pakistan will not unleash the Haqqanis and Hekmatyars to subdue or eliminate people like him. And Hekmatyar has a mind on his own.

Let us hope Pakistan spends its energy to bring a solution that ensures peace in the region. If it creates a solution to unleash another problem, it might not survive the next time.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

A government of unity in Afghanistan, which is representative of all ethnic factions including Pashtuns. -Umair

Riiight. Because the last time the Taliban had their hands on the wheel, they treated minorities so well?

They harbour the same attitude towards non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan that the Punjabis in Pakistan do towards their minorities.

No wonder you feel such kinship with them!

Posted by kEiThZ | Report as abusive

USA is dependent upon Pakistan for containing the Taliban.

That is the reason there is so much jealousy against Pakistan shown here by the Indians.

If India has given proper rights to the Kashmiris and other minorities in India then no Taliban or any outsider could have created any problems for India.

Posted by ratee | Report as abusive

Keithz have you ever visited Pakistan that you know that Punjabis have a very bad attitude about other minorities in Pakistan.

This is utter nonsense and there have been so many inter-marriages between all ethnic groups in Pakistan that this problem does not exist but just in the foreign media and anti-Pakistan elements who love to think they can divide the country on ethnic basis.

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Mr Singh India did not show restraint after the Mumbai crisis, as two failed attempts were made by by their air fighters to enter Pakistan airspace and they were driven back by the Pakistani air fighters after the Mumbai attack. Perhaps you were not aware of this? Therefore you better check the internet for this history.

Secondly Mr Singh Pakistan is no small country or non-nuclear state like Bhutan or Nepal that India can bully and India has to think a thousand times before going for any adventure in attacking Pakistan as the risks are more serious than Mr Singh imagines!!

Posted by ratee | Report as abusive

Singh, although i agree with your drift, since pakistan’s internal stability and economic situation is far worse off than 1986..

Posted by Seekeroftruth | Report as abusive

Singh, although i agree with your drift, since pakistan’s internal stability and economic situation is far worse off than 1989, PA/ISI will only accelerate collapse of the dystopia called “pakistan”.

Posted by Seekeroftruth | Report as abusive

Call it naivety or irrational optimism but I really hope that the Pakistani establishment has learned from past mistakes & abandons it’s suicidal policy of harboring terrorism in the name of ‘stratedic depth’. I hope it takes a U-turn & gets the country back on the path to literacy, moderation & economic prosperity. For that to happen, Pakistan as a nation, will have to transorm from a militaristic & radical society to a capitalist & moderate one. If this transormation is made successfully, I have no doubt that Pakistan will become great asset to the neighbourhood & to the world. But if not (& it’s a BIG but) & the Pakistani establishment continues it’s self destructive policies of creating & supporting terrorism, it will keep moving towards extremism, intolerance & economic failure and ulimately implode. Pakistan’s future largely depends on the path it’s establishment chooses.

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Seekeroftruth Pakistan is far stronger than you imagined with its strong army and its unity of people it has for your information defeated Taliban in three major regions Swat, South Waziristan and Bajaur Agency. As the Pakistani forces are consolidating they are clearing Aurakzai and Khyber Agency now. North WAziristan will be cleared at the end of the year. The law and order situation has greatly improved in Paksitan since 2009 and for your information whole of Afghanistan is a safe haven for the Taliban. What major offensive has the NATO forces undertaken successfully? The NATO forces are mostly killed being hit by IED’s and not actually fighting the enemy.Pakistan has a concentration of 150,000 troops in the small tribal area. While the NATO forces have about the same amount of troops in whole of Afghanistan which is much larger country than Pakistan!!!

How is Pakistan self-destructing itself by fighting against Taliban you mean?Only the enemies of Pakistan will keep dreaming that God forbid Pakistan will not remain that is not going to happen fortunately, so you better keep dreaming!!! May I also tell you that if Pakistan goes to Taliban then other neighboring countries will also not survive!!

Posted by ratee | Report as abusive

If Pakistan plays a role in brokering a peace deal between the Haqqani network and the Afghan government then peace will be brought to both the countries. If anyone thinks that Pakistan has its own hidden benefits in this deal then they are wrong because we have already lost a lot.

Posted by SZaman88 | Report as abusive

A bunch of my countrymen seem to cheering on for an implosion in Pakistan. But honestly guys, please reconsider. If Pakistan implodes then we will be facing a refugee crisis that will make the Partition seem like a birthday party. And I for one DO NOT WANT THEM in my country.
Lets hope and pray that once the US leaves Afghanistan, Pakistan stabilizes and this violence stops. Let the Taliban join the Afghan govt and focus its energies (!!) on poor Afghanistan. While I sympathize with the Afghanis especially the women, my country’s longer term strategic interest lies in avoiding a situation where hardcore jihadis get their hands on Pakistani nukes.

Posted by nvrforgetmbai | Report as abusive

Nvrforgetmumbai,
realism is more helpful than sentimentalism. I am not cheering for or even favoring implosion of Pakistan.
This is the grim reality. A multiethnic nation state is possible only with egalitarian constituition and democracy in the modern context. After 63 yrs there are no instituitions, no framework for nationhood except for the power grab by PA.
There is no educational, soceital infrastructure in Pakistan to revive economy. They are not Iran or Saudi and can live on oil export. They are being floated by US (mostly) and other countries.

Posted by Seekeroftruth | Report as abusive

Nvrforgetmumbai: “my country’s longer term strategic interest lies in avoiding a situation where hardcore jihadis get their hands on Pakistani nukes”

Jihadis have already taken over Pakistan’s military and its ISI. This happened from the time of Zia Ul Haq. They do have their finger on the nuclear button. They almost came close to pushing it in 1980s when India conducted “Operation Brass Tacks.” All that Pakistani Jihadists want is to frustrate India somehow forcing it to retaliate. They would then use that excuse to push the button. This has been their strategy for more than two decades, once they got their bomb. They always talk of fighting with “full force.”

There is not much left to reform in the Pak military. It is an official face of the militant infrastructure that has taken over the whole country. Only when that infrastructure is dismantled and destroyed will that country survive. Pak military and its ISI is their largest “non-state actors.”

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

[...] resource:Pakistan’s policy on Afghanistan: Finding the devil in the detail, Reuters Blog, 28 June [...]

@Ratee,

No…Pakistan IS self destructing. Judging by the major weapons caches being found in Lahore, with Rocket Propelled grenades, rocket launchers and guns, Al-Qaeda has major sleeper cells in Pakistani cities it seems have been quietly getting ready to challenge the Army in the cities in Urban warfare.

Still your Army pours billions in its stand against India. How many Pakistani’s has India killed?…next to nothing…you Pakistani’s have killed plenty of Indians via proxy terror militantism in Kashmir.

All of the offensives by Pak army are just a show. They announce early enough when the offensives are to happen, so that the militant leadership can disperse and be kept safe for future use by the Pak Army against NATO and Indians and the few naive militants left behind are left to be sacrificed for the great show put on for the benefit of the west, while Pak Army still maintains the backbone in its core operation to keep war with India.

The world is catching on to the double dealing duplicitous games that Pak Army has been playing and patience is running out, before Pakistan is declared a rogue state and failed nation.

Pakistan is slowly descending into militant chaos and Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are incessantly trying to gain a foothold in the cities, if this weapons find in Lahore is an indication.

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

ratee: “USA is dependent upon Pakistan for containing the Taliban.”

Wrong. USA could have whipped Pakistan up if it wished. Remember Armitage’s warning to Mushy? “Are you with us or against us?” What did your mighty commander in thief do? He shivered in his pants until it dropped below his knees and switched sides within an hour’s time. The USA has been kind to Pakistan. Your military has exploited to the hilt. Now they are paying the price for trusting your country.

“That is the reason there is so much jealousy against Pakistan shown here by the Indians.”

We are not jealous of Pakistan-US relationship. We really do not care. The problem that we have is that the US has used the region for its geo-political purposes and Pakistan has exploited it to build its evil system to target India. The US has turned a blind eye to most of Pakistan’s activities in return for favorable services. This has hurt India in the long run. The US has completely messed up the region due to its own incompetency and its reliance on Pakistan. We’d like the US to clean up that mess. We are not chasing the US. We just want them to be fair since they preach that to others.

“If India has given proper rights to the Kashmiris and other minorities in India then no Taliban or any outsider could have created any problems for India.”

Crocodile tears do not make any impression. Pakistan did not create the Taliban to get rights to Kashmir. If Pakistanis are so concerned about rights, self determination etc, they would not have raped East Pakistan. They would have protested the atrocities committed by Turkey and Iraq against Kurds. Pakistan’s interest in Kashmir is only to settle scores with India. It is entirely driven by Islamic macho and ego. Kashmir was peaceful and is peaceful so long as the radicalized militants sponsored by Pak military stay out of it. Your own country has no faith democracy. It jailed Mujeeb ur Rehman for winning the elections and slaughtered your Bengali citizens. It has paid lip service to democracy to get money and relied on the military most of the time. So do not preach about self-determination for others. Get yours’s established first.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

ratee: “Mr Singh India did not show restraint after the Mumbai crisis, as two failed attempts were made by by their air fighters to enter Pakistan airspace and they were driven back by the Pakistani air fighters after the Mumbai attack. Perhaps you were not aware of this? Therefore you better check the internet for this history.”

Provide a credible reference. Indian and Pakistani fighter jets routinely stray beyond the borders. Your government did not consider it an issue.

“Secondly Mr Singh Pakistan is no small country or non-nuclear state like Bhutan or Nepal that India can bully and India has to think a thousand times before going for any adventure in attacking Pakistan as the risks are more serious than Mr Singh imagines!!”

Interesting thought. It is not India that is bullying Pakistan. It is the other way around. It is your country that has been itching to push the nuke button and is boldly taking on to activities that hurt India. Mumbai attacks happened with the gurantee of a nuclear safety provided by Pakistan’s military establishment. We all know that the Mumbai attacks were set up and staged by your military/ISI establishments by using the so called “non state actors” that seem to be filling up Pakistan fast. Kargil war, Kashmir insurgency etc have been propped up with an arrogant self-assuredness of nuclear safety.

But if Pakistan makes an attempt to drop a nuke into Indian soil, we will not play ping pong match with your country. We will shower nukes all the way until only smoke remains in your country. There will be no second strike allowed. If that’s what Pakistan was created for, well, it has turned into a suicide bomber mindset already. We have different goals. We want to build our nation and not point the pistol to our heads.

Posted by KPSingh01 | Report as abusive

Ratee:

Let us deal the issue differently. can u tell:

1. what is Pakistan’s policy in Afghanistan? Make sure that Pak policy addresses peoples;s and govt.

2. What has Pak done for Afghans other than Zia era help to throw Soviets out.

3. Pakistan did not have friends in Pushtoons before 9/11 or after that. Why is that? If so how can Pakistan survive without playing dirty constantly.

4. Tell us how is it possible that a Taliban regime will rule in Afghanistan but Pakistan’ Taliban with the same ideology will not start causing probs for Pakistan–at least in the NWFP. Does Pakistan’s current policy not look like it is aimed to win battle and lose the war?

Posted by RajeevK | Report as abusive

little bit correction:

In the post above I said:

“3. Pakistan did not have friends in Pushtoons before 9/11 or after that. Why is that? If so how can Pakistan survive without playing dirty constantly.”

I will restate:

“”3. Pakistan did not have friends in Pushtoons (other than Talibans) before 9/11 or after that. Why is that? If so how can Pakistan survive without playing dirty constantly.”

Posted by RajeevK | Report as abusive

@Pakistani’s,

There is a misperception among many of you that we cannot handle that Pakistan is a country, that is completely false, here are the absolute truths that many Indians feel about Pakistani’s:

1) We accept the existence of Pakistan
2) We want Pakistan to moderate and become a friendly neighbour

3) We think Pakistani’s do not like non-muslims, or feel them inferior.

4) We ask that you commit no more terrorism against Indians, or your own people and minorities

5) We ask that you redefine pakistani constitution and redefine basic human value, outside of religion.

6) We ask you to stop and cease all terrorist activities against anybody and everbody by destroying all terrorist camps.

7) We do not agree with your madrasa system that perverts and corrupts a child’s understanding and education from childhood

8) We believe that you do not want peace, but in fact want to use every opportunity to hurt us.

9) We believe that you cannot handle our success and feel that you have the right to deny us, because you are unable to fix your own house and would like to take India down, if your country sinks, even though we have done NOTHING to you Pakistani.s

10) We believe you Pakistani’s are choosing to be ignorant and blind to the chaos unfolding around you and are not taking responsibility for your country, but would still rather blame some unknown outside forces for all of your troubles.

11) We ask that you, leave everybody alone, leave Afghans and Indians alone. What ever you want to believe, or do……..KEEP IT IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD.

12) We feel that you are incapable of ever choosing to tell the truth.

13) It also feels that any peace initiatives are insincere on Pakistan’s part, since a new terrorist attack keeps originating from the terror camps it refuses to destroy, arranged by the same terrorist leaders it refuses to not arrest and jail.

14) We feel that Pakistan keeps hiding behind using excuses of no-extradition treaties and “let the law do its job” to never arrest or jail known criminals, terrorists and dons on Pakistani soil.

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

What a farce to see both India and Pakistan being destabilised and its citizens are bickering about each other. The Pashtoons are really having fun receiving money from the foreign army commanders for logistics all the way from Peshawar to Kabul and beyond. And their special forces are keeping the US and Nato troops engaged with their IED’s and limited snipers. Pakistan military is now responsible for the roads in Pakistan to allow the supplies through and simaltaneously allowing the so called talabans to explode the convoys every now and then. Every body is happy like in good old days in the eighteenth century. Be careful the new miliary boss from the USA is carrying a heavy metal on his chest and sometimes faints away. The Pashtoons must be in a dilemma now to have such a weak commander. The former sacked commander was at least fit and healthy living ion one meal and no medicine.
Rex Minor not Pakistan

Posted by pakistan | Report as abusive

1) We accept the existence of Pakistan

you have no choice.

2) We want Pakistan to moderate and become a friendly neighbour

Friendly neighbor like india?

3) We think Pakistani’s do not like non-muslims, or feel them inferior.

can’t help with your complex.

4) We ask that you commit no more terrorism against Indians, or your own people and minorities

we ask the same for kashmiris.

5) We ask that you redefine pakistani constitution and redefine basic human value, outside of religion.

like hinduvta?

6) We ask you to stop and cease all terrorist activities against anybody and everbody by destroying all terrorist camps.

we ask that your 500,000 terrorists leave kashmir.

7) We do not agree with your madrasa system that perverts and corrupts a child’s understanding and education from childhood

we don’t agree with RSS schools and textbooks.

8) We believe that you do not want peace, but in fact want to use every opportunity to hurt us.

resolve kashmir.

9) We believe that you cannot handle our success and feel that you have the right to deny us, because you are unable to fix your own house and would like to take India down, if your country sinks, even though we have done NOTHING to you Pakistani.s

paranoia

10) We believe you Pakistani’s are choosing to be ignorant and blind to the chaos unfolding around you and are not taking responsibility for your country, but would still rather blame some unknown outside forces for all of your troubles.

agreed

11) We ask that you, leave everybody alone, leave Afghans and Indians alone. What ever you want to believe, or do……..KEEP IT IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD.

leave kashmir, sri lanka, nepal, bangladesh, pakistan alone.

12) We feel that you are incapable of ever choosing to tell the truth.

ok

13) It also feels that any peace initiatives are insincere on Pakistan’s part, since a new terrorist attack keeps originating from the terror camps it refuses to destroy, arranged by the same terrorist leaders it refuses to not arrest and jail.

ok

14) We feel that Pakistan keeps hiding behind using excuses of no-extradition treaties and “let the law do its job” to never arrest or jail known criminals, terrorists and dons on Pakistani soil.

Hand over Modi

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re: “Hand over Modi”

Lalit Modi? :)

PS: As for rest of your posting, “get well soon”!

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@Shakir,

You Pakistani’s have lost the position to dictate terms on anything, you must accept that you are actually on the butt end of the stick, internationally speaking. The economic hitmen have already privatized many of the resources and land in your country to pay for the debt. You own billions to the IMF and have little in terms of fuel resources to sustain a drawn out military conflict with any country. Such a lack of reserve power is only backed up your national obsession that your nxkes will somehow protect you, but they won’t, they have actually led to the great instability and radicalization of your country.

With regards to kashmir, what do you Pakistani’s really care about Kashmir anyway? You Paks care damn about Kashmiri’s, the same way you Paks cared damn about Bengali’s and Afghans, you just want the land from Kashmir in the greater struggle for Islamicization and hopefully longer term goals of re-imposing Islam and occupation upon India. The reason I say this, this was general niazi’s goal and Indians have seen the maps created by the Militants in Pakistan, where the entire northern India is swallowed up and joined with Bangladesh. Those same goals have not changed, but just undergone change in how they are being implemented, via proxy wars upon India in Kashmir.

We all know what the pre-occupation with Kashmir really is, if it was not Kashmir, it would be Gujarat, if it was not Gujarat, there would be another politically fictitious war started on India about the plight of muslims in India being victims of the evil Hindus there…it does not end. There is a cabal in Pakistan that is not resting until it claws away land from India and that is the goal, at the end of the day to work through any means to keep clawing away land…keep on creating new fictitious religious struggles….keep creating more anti-India movements to keep fragmenting and stealing land.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri’s, so if you want India out, Pakistan should get out as well, lock stock and barrel, no double standards are needed. It is my personal understanding that if India ever left Kashmir on its own, thinking that Indians are somehow weak and intimidate-able, this would embolden your Army and militants to keep using proxy terrorism for the purpose of grabbing more land, all under the guise of the fictitiously created perception that muslims are somehow being suppressed and victimized by non-muslims, and this is completely false.

This is not some sort of hysteria, this is a dream by many in Pakistan, especially the militants and some of those in uniform that train mentor and support them. Your education system, peoples perceptions there, the militants and your military, all in one way or another support this view.

You Punjabi’s cannot have Kashmir, it is not yours, you cannot have Afghanistan, it is not yours, it belongs to the Pathans.

The more Pakistan keeps sending militants into Indian Kashmir, the more the security situation deteriorates, prompting exacting measures from the Indian Army and then Pakistan using this response as a fingerpointing moment to pressure India about Kashmir.

India the duty to maintain territorial integrity and security of its citizens. If India ever just walks out of Kashmir, a new Hindu genocide and ethnic cleansing will begin in Indian Kashmir and the PA will continue this same proxy terrorism into Himachal Pradesh, Punjab and even Uttar Pradesh in the long run.

So do you see Shakir, Indians are well aware of the long terms goals in mind, therefore Indian citizens will never approve conceding Kashmir to Pakistan, our very safety and integrity as a country is at stake, because Pakistan is complicit with militants and terrorism and so-called state agents use militant groups to do their dirty work.

Kashmir will never be solved, unless these nefarious plans are exposed, militantism completely stopped, all terror training camps in Pakistan closed and your education system is changed and the political landscape in your country modernizes towards true democracy. Until then, your Army will keep playing cheap tricks, lying double dealing and leaving poor Kashmiri’s stuck in the middle, getting caught up in the quagmire created by your state owned Proxy militants.

As long as Pakistan keeps playing militant games, the status quo will remain.

Posted by G-W | Report as abusive

GW,

I did not read your post. too long.

Posted by tupak_shakir | Report as abusive

@ Shakir
LOL. Good one bro.

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The Pashtoons(talibans) have never negotiated in their history, they make very basic and simple demands and if they are met the deal is made. No spins or distracrion tactics developed by the Think Tank are likely to work with them permanently. This stance is not very different from the European Germans who are equally prepared to cancel the treaties if they are negotiated under pressure and deceit. The Pakistan and Afghan Govts. have no valid role to speak for Talibans, the Saudis yes.
Rex Minor

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@GW
you should also be aware that Pakistan military has plans to walk into Sirinagar and simaltaneously cross the border into Punjab and go for Delhi with the use of strategic weapomry, come what may. The majority in the military leadership is still holding this planned action as a last resort, which could trigger off automatically from the Indian military provocation. This plan is not a secret and known to the Indian military. The civilian Govt. of Pakistan has been trying to resolve the dispute with the Indian Govt. to the best of their ability as in previous decades. They have no influence on the military decisions and strategies, similar to the routines established in Turkey. Most of the Generals receive their strategic military education in Turkish staff colleges. The question is;For how long the military is going to wait for the civilian Govt. to resolve the disputes with India?
Rex Minor

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@you should also be aware that Pakistan military has plans to walk into Sirinagar and simaltaneously cross the border into Punjab and go for Delhi with the use of strategic weapomry, come what may.”
–RexMinor

–Thanks for the heads up!

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