Comments on: When two foreign policy crises converge: Iran and Afghanistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-31626 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:13:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-31626 @ SBhotto
The logic is very simple for any one to conclude what I have concluded;I normally do not boast about the source or the clues of my findings.But let me make anexception;
. North Korea had the atomic weaponry, but the american administraion kept on saying publicly that the Nortk Korea has the program but not built a weapon,Eventually North Korea had to explode one to prove that they have one. The USA never dared to attack North Korea throughout their discussions with the bad regime.

. Iraq had none but the USA kept on saying publicly that they have one. They finally accepted the politician Baradai,s word and changed over to the chemical weaponry. Iraq came under attack.
. The americans know that AQ khan support was equally available to Iran, like to North Korea, Libya etc. etc. To imagine that Iran does not have the nukes would be an illusion. Neither Israel nor the USA has the courage to attack a nuclear armed state. The nukes do not need to be tested and the technology must be very simle for a nuclear scientest to manufacture one. The stories the USA puts out is for the birds at home and abroad.

Finally, India proved to be the only spoiler in the nuclear game testing the weapon. Pakistan was forced to follow suit.
One doest not need to test the bullets, the bombs or nukes. One does need to test the rocketry to ensure that the nukes do land accurately. This is being constantly undertaken by many countries including Iran.
We are all sitting in glass houses and nukes are slowly and steadily becoming of less advantage, unless of course one is ready to take a chance and be prepared for the suicicide.
Now tell me who are becoming the experts on suicide?
Rex Minor
PS not to forget the USA is the only country to have used two nukes on Japan and as of this date not apologised. Mr Castro appeal to the USA administration last zeek was not a fluke. Now this is my analysis and please do consider it as a speculation. Prove it otherwise if you can? Not by qutations from the USA which is still using the SPIN STRATEGY OF George W.

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-31350 Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:44:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-31350 I do not know how but Iran needs to be taken into confidence on Afghanistan BY USA. Iran’s nuke program and the Afghanistan issue are separate issues.

USA had done this mistake in the past before 9/11 by not acting against Taliban and its guests because of 1. Pakistan 2. Russia which supported Northern Alliance. Again that cold war hang over was the issue there.

One cannot make everyone happy, but a due recognition to a key player plays a big role in easing the tensions.

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-31315 Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:45:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-31315 @keithz,

You know, there is so much smear against Iranians, it is uncalled for. While I have not love of the mullahs or the Revolutionary Guard Mafia, the people of Iran are a sublime, sophisticated, easy natured type, after all, their civilization is almost 6000 years old.

I wholeheartedly agree, I don’t ever think Iran would ever do a first strike of any kind, if they were nuclear.

But, Keithz, you have to ask your self, why is the United States constantly being poked and proded to attacking Iran? There are too many lobby organizations that are advocated for a first strike on Iran and their hope is that, once a conflict gets started, that the United States goes in to clean up the mess, while thousands of young soldiers die to keep a few happy.

It is not right and should not ever happen. I think Iran could play a constructive role in Afghanistan on some levels, as they have a very huge dislike for the opium trade and with regards to that, they may be able to share data on those that are proliferating opium to addicted kids in Europe and beyond.

Its true regime change must happen in Iran, but not by destroying their country and their beautiful culture by being pushed into a war that nobody wants and will be paid for by the U.S. taxpayers, that just bailed out the banking system.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-31273 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:12:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-31273 I’d say a nuclear armed Iran is easier to contain than terrorism emanating from the AfPak region.

I’ve always asked my colleagues on the Middle East file this, “So what if Iran gets the bomb?”

Are they likely to use it? Of course not. Any attack on Israel would be met with Iran being wiped off the face of the Earth. Even a threat to Saudi would see several US carrier groups being parked off their shores. And any attack on Saudi would see a US response similar to any attack on Israel. The Gulf States all have the benefit of the US nuclear umbrella. So what can Iran do?

Conversely, a failing Pakistan would be a massive headache for global peace and security. It does not have to become a Somalia to create problems. Prolonged economic turmoil may well see unemployed Pakistani scientists farming out their skills to terror groups for example. Increasing social unrest could lead to more radicalization and the creation of more terrorists. Not good for anybody.

Iran will be dealt with. Like now. Multi-laterally. It’s not just the US alone. The AfPak region is a different story. It is far more of a US problem and therefore requires US attention.

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By: Shuqaib.Bhutto http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-31103 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:03:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-31103 @ Rex. Salaam. Sanga ye?

I apologize for the late reply but I did not see this question before. Are you suggesting that the Iranians already have nukes? If they did, then they would have tested one already. Such a test would have ended the constant threats and pressure on the Iranians. Moreover, such a test would alter the political situation in the Middle East as well as our own region in favour of Iran. What you are suggesting is possible, but not probable.

I don’t mean to sound rude but it would help if you could give me the logic behind what you are claiming.

I also think you have misunderstood some things in my post. I happen to have a great deal of respect for the Persians. I admire their tenacity in battle as well as their sense of independence. I also respect the Pakhtuns for the exact same reasons.

Khuday Pamaan

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-31015 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-31015 @S Bhutto
Are you sure Iran does not have nukes? Iran is not the vassal of the USA to declare their weaponry systems, nor do they have the intention to carry out the atomic explosion to threaten some one. Israel has the nukes too, but now needs a new moses to save them out of their own knitted web. They are now even scared of the hand made rocketry of the amateur gaza people. They have been trying hard for a long time to divert the attention of the USA and Europe from their violent suppression of palestinians civilians by creating the Iranian bogey, but this has failed. The lebanese Hisbullah have damaged their reputation and their attack on the civilian turkish ship have isolated them further in Europe and cost them the loss of an ally with whom they had defence agreements. O’K, they have got now a new ally, India, who could provide them the space for military exercises and even the air space for refuelling in case there is a conflict with Iran. In my opinion the USA, however, is no longer prepared to accept further errosion of their foreign relations and to accept further casualties in support of the current Israeli Govt.
Rex Minor

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By: RajeevK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-30999 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:54:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-30999 Dr. Minor:

@It is not the Talibans who made mistakes, but George W who misused his friendship with them(yes, they were regular visitors on his ranch”

–I am interested to know more about the visitors and the year it happened and if they were there why they were there. Expecting some clear answer.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-30991 Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:36:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-30991 Gentlemen, I am not a mystery man! i have registered my self as “Rex Minor”, and somehow one day I found that the Reuters Blog keeps calling me “Pakistan”. Not only that, some of my messages were improved and this is a total surprise for me. As a matter of fact I am not unhappy with the revisions in my post and in the meantime I have got a new PC, but this blog refuses to remove the Word ‘Pakistan’ from my post. I have no intention to register with a new e mail address or new name. As a matter of fact I have got used to the word ‘Pakistan’, and it does not prevent me to criticise the country Pakistan as I do with other govts. of the world. My interest in this blog are obvious namely, the struggle of the Pashtoon people or Talibans(the students) as people are used to calling them.
These people are not super human, but have never been defeated in their history. Many brave and heroic armies of the world came on one or other excuse in their territory to overpower them, and lost their lives and vanished in the silent Afghan valleys, and those who survived went back to their homeland, proud to have fought the Pashtoons and survived. They told strange stories to their children and grand children about these folks. They narrated personal experiences and published them in books, Warburton was one of them. There are others. They wrote about the death of their comrades without any malice or hate or even disappointment. And yet inspite of their history, culture and the traditions even the tactics they use to defend themselves, being known to many in today’s world, they are completely ignored and fresh assaults are made to overpower them. Their treatment of women is not of modern times. they should have handed over thir arab guests who fought with them against the soviets, to George W the leader of the West. etc. etc. This conflicts makes me sad for the loss of life and yet fascinates me how in a very casual way the enemy is being confronted with a very limited number of snipers and IED’s. Simaltaneous receiving payments from the enemy for use of roads. Their kabul emissary on the diplomatic front is cashing on financing major projects for the benefit of common citizens.
Rex Minor
PS It is not the Talibans who made mistakes, but George W who misused his friendship with them(yes, they were regular visitors on his ranch), not understang their culture and traditions. This is the not the wild west, when people are handed over to the law officer or killed as soon as a bounty is announced. George W millions remain unclaimed and in the meantime billions have been spent by the successor.

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By: EstherHaman http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-30983 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:12:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-30983 This article is basically designed to draw lines and separate the people and the region, which is a total nonsense. The Baluchi people are pure Persian and Iranians. The Sasanied dynasty of the Persian empire was originated form these people and they are not only from this region of Iran but other parts as well. The Sunni and Shiite sect have not had any major issues for 1400 yeas and you will not find a major conflict between Iran and the Saudi Arabia during this time period.

So, stop this B.S. and smoke screen. You are not talking to bunch of some illiterates here. We are doing this to the Iranians and there is no denying it. So, you may want to hide behind these Mis-information and propaganda, but only for so long.

The Iranians caught the head Jundallah leader and his brother and they must have confessed to what and who is behind all this killing. Let just take some credit for it and show some back bone!

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By: Shuqaib.Bhutto http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/07/18/when-two-foreign-policy-crises-converge-iran-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-30974 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:35:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=5789#comment-30974 Quote: ” Will the United States need to choose eventually between its policies towards Iran – and its determination to stop it from what it sees as a covert programme to develop a nuclear bomb (an accusation Tehran denies) – and its need for stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Does it even have that choice any more given the many competing interests in the region? “End Quote.

So far, the US has not shown an overt willingness to do anything to stop Iran’s nuclear program. But this unwillingness is primarily due to a fear of the Iranian response to an attack on its nuclear installations (closing Hormuz, attack on oil installations, flare-up in Iraq and Lebanon etc).

Instability in Afghanistan and Pakistan (as a consequence of an attack on Iran) is very possible. In the case of Afghanistan it may even be politically and militarily practical for the Iranians.

Ultimately however, an attack or Iran may not depend on what the US wants in the region. The Israelis already perceive the Iranian nuclear program as a threat to their national survival. If the Israelis have reason to believe that the Iranians have crossed (or are about to cross) the point of no return, then they WILL go ahead and attack Iran regardless of US concerns in the region and regardless of the consequences. The US president will not do anything about it, unless he has a political death wish. Once again the tail shall wag the dog and therefore the answer to your question is ‘No, the US does not have a choice in the matter’.

The Israeli’s seem to be finalizing the necessary groundwork for an attack. If they decide to go ahead, they will most likely not repeat the mistake of 2006. This time, they will strategically bypass Hezbollah and go after their primary target. The latest Israeli developments (missile defense, NBC drills etc etc) suggest that they’ve invested heavily in systems which will allow them to ride out Hezbollah’s reprisal in relative safety. Once they think they’ve effectively derailed or delayed Iran’s nuclear program, they will then turn their full attention to Hezbollah.

We live in interesting times.

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