Comments on: Helping Pakistan; not if, but how Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: G-W Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:19:43 +0000 @Breeznithru,

In the defense of sensibilities and muslims, it is unfair to blame “allah” for the flood in Pakistan.

I don’t think god interferes in the actions of humans to a large degree. This flood is in a large part, man made, with our willful destruction of the forest, deforestation by militants, misuse and misapproriation of land use by Pakistani government and Pak Army, by not building more dams and the world at large, that continues to burn fossil fuel, that gave rise to the strange weather pattern that precipitated such a torrential monsoon,

This is actually local karma and global karma. Who will be next? The earth will deliver to us what we sow.

We are like a disease and the earth is doing what it can to attack us. One day, the earth may just tell us all to fxxk off.

Upon partition, the punjabi’s did a smart thing by occupying the high ground, this has spared them from the floods.

Please refrain from upsetting people’s sensibilities.

Blaming god for these things is inappropriate, we have too look at our own greed, the corporations and lack of political will to tackle these earth issues. The symptom of these earth issues will show in the form of floods and such natural disasters.

By: breezinthru Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:18:02 +0000 It seems to me that Pakistanis should hold Allah responsible for assistance. It wasn’t America who brought the rain.

I believe that most of the donations will be siphoned off rather than delivered to where it is needed in an effective manner.

Besides, I prefer not to spend a nickel on anyone who despises America. Surely, those people will be much happier living with Allah in heaven.

By: Seth Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:59:35 +0000 @Mortal,

That’s right! Neki kar dariya mein daal.

BTW, I had donated some money already. I won’t say Karma or anything but I believe in staying true to myself.

By: Mortal1 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:39:32 +0000 @”And, I’m under no delusion what-so-ever that some of these same children are not going to attend Madarassas and shout death to infidels and everybody who would have a difference of opinion with them.”

Good that you donated! If you believe in the law of karma, you can’t worry about all that. As the saying goes “do good & dump it in the sea”.

By: Seth Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:12:38 +0000 @Ganesh,

Of course, yes! I’m an Indian! If Pakistan was filled with likes of Usmans only, I’ll make sure I send 51 buckets of water instead. :)

By: prasadgc Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:18:29 +0000 > You talked me into it, $51 more.

You’re a softie after all :-).

Ganesh Prasad

By: Seth Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:06:53 +0000 Ganesh and Mortal,

You talked me into it, $51 more. But, only for unfortunate children of Pakistan! And, I’m under no delusion what-so-ever that some of these same children are not going to attend Madarassas and shout death to infidels and everybody who would have a difference of opinion with them.

I totally understand your point towards donating for the immediate crisis. But I don’t think I find any justification in world’s donation for rebuilding of Pakistan when $200 billion are lying in the swiss accounts of corrupt politicians and PA generals and they are hell-bent on maintaining terrorism infrastructure against India and West. Rich western countries have very generous people (I would credit Christianity here) and they are being made a fool by countries like Pakistan every time.

“I don’t think it’s fair to let millions of poor people & children die for the misdeeds & carelessness of their leaders.”

That is exactly what I meant by clouding of perceptions. Millions would die? Really?

By: G-W Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:01:04 +0000 @Keithz,

Firstly, this is an excellent opportunity for the Indians to shovel out assistance with a big heart and possibly politically inch out the establishment in Pakistan slightly.
India should dole out big, bigger than anyone to help Pakistani victims.

Next, in your circles, forget the floods for a second, why in tarnation is the west been enabling Pakistan to conduct clandestine warfar against NATO and India.

The U.S. has known for almost a decade that Paks are cavorting, supplying, arming, mentoring and supporting Jihadi elements and still supplying billions of USD of aid, but little to show for it. The biggest thing to show is a protracted war in Afghanistan and India having to spend billions to counter these threats.

Why is Pakistan being enabled to be such a trouble maker? Is it because there is some global game playing going on, or is the west so bloody inept and stupid that it does not know any better?

You know exactly where I am coming from here Keithz. Sometimes it feels that somebody is playing a very large and dirty chess game and Af_Pak is just one of the few moves in the grander game and means to an end, but for what purpose?

It is apparent that the Pak Army’s interest is to protract and extend and sustain these wars as long as possible, is there anybody else doing this?

People are getting tired of dying for nothing, just because somebody is trying to turn a buck.

By: prasadgc Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:19:53 +0000 Typo – suffering

By: Mortal1 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:18:51 +0000 Seth,

My appeal was for personal donations through bonafide international charitable organizations like the red cross, unicef, salvation army etc. I’m not in favor of a penny, in aid being handed over to any Pakistani governmental agency or even private organization, for obvious reasons. As long as aid reaches the people it’s intended for, I don’t really care if it doesen’t bear my name on it.

@”By crying out loud to help those suffering, you are doing a great disservice to their future.”

If they don’t get the timely help they need, many of them won’t have a future. That was the whole point behind the appeal.

@”This helplessness of government is primarily because of having wrong priorities in the first place. All those years of diverting (or neglecting totally) funds from irrigation projects into buying military technology and prioritizing smooth operation of terror factories have resulted into this mess”

I don’t think it’s fair to let millions of poor people & children die for the misdeeds & carelessness of their leaders.

@”That suggestion about blocking visas to foreign countries is, laughable. You are talking about discriminating against the bright doctors, engineers, and scientists in Pakistan just to curb the rich and elites”

My illustration was in the context of “sanctions which would impact pakistan’s poor, the least”. I don’t think the poor who can barely afford basic amenities, will be able to send their children to medical or engineering colleges in america or britain. And maybe it’s not such a bad idea to stop the brain drain & compell pakistan’s bright youngsters to stay in their country & bring about the desired changes.