Comments on: Pakistan – a list too long http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33412 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:46:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33412 Rex Minor,

A meaningful and intelligent discussion with you is obviously impossible – flogging a dead horse. Period.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33410 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:54:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33410 @DaraIndia
Please read your input and the answers you seek are contained in your paragraphs. If I now say that you are a rude person; you would raise again the question and deny it by stating that your english is rude not you in person. Perhaps the moderator could take the initiative and advise you to cut down your personal attacks and address the article.
Rex Minor

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33408 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:40:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33408 Rex Minor,

“If you consider the use of military against the civilian sikhs and the kashmiris in their own land does not violate the human rights, then we have different sets of principles and different sets of laws.”

Now read this very carefully:

Tell me why have you made this statement. Are you implying that I said there are no human rights violations in Kashmir? Where have I said this??? I do not expect you to have the decency to apologise but just to prove to you how you twist facts, please read what I said to you again – this is it

“To justify India’s right to kashmir is not to justify atrocities,……….Do you know how many human right abuse cases have been investigated and how many have been punished. Believe me the figures will again come as a shock to you.”

Do you understand simple english or are you just acting stupid?

I have told you what I experienced on my trip. You don’t get it, is your problem not mine. You dont understand what I am saying – or pretend to anyway.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33390 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:52:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33390 @DaraIndia
The 1985 schengen agreement stipulates the guaranteed free movement of persons in Europe. The signatary states have abolished all internal borders in lieu of a single external border. France, germany,Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands decided in 1985 to create a territory without internal borders. Your indian embassy could provide you with further deatails.

All this does not mean that the police cannot stop a suspicious car for checks.

If you consider the use of military against the civilian sikhs and the kashmiris in their own land does not violate the human rights, then we have different sets of principles and different sets of laws.
Rex Minor

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33365 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 03:43:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33365 Rex Minor,

After having nothing more to add to the topic you said a mouthful.

You have me genuinely confused by your “you are probably a nationalist”. What on earth does that imply???? What according to you is the meaning of nationalist. I maybe emotional, thats for others to judge. But what does that have to do with the contents of what I have said. So please spare me your condescension, it is of no concern to me. Why not discuss my comments. Why do you always run away and avoid the main issue?

I went with a German couple, our hosts, by road, we were all checked at the border. On return the same afternoon, to our great amusement, while my wife and I were not asked to show documents, the German couple were asked to provide theirs!! So much for your credibility and not being checked. In fact even the guard/security checker saw the humour of it eventually and was equally amused saying “I know why you smile now”.

” I really get sick when I read your fellow countrymen justifying or relatativising the actions of the Indian military.”

Again I profess ignorance. Please quote one Indian here who has condoned or jiustified any act of human right committed by the forces? What on earth is relativising?? To justify India’s right to kashmir is not to justify atrocities, but I am willing to be corrected by you. Provided they are actual quotes of people who have said so.

As for your last two sentences nobody has asked you to stop protesting or accept anything you don’t want to. Just justify your objections with concrete proof and examples. Do you know how many human right abuse cases have been investigated and how many have been punished. Believe me the figures will again come as a shock to you.

True to form you avoid direct answers as always. Like justifying and corroborating “Hyderabad declared the allegance to Pakistan for his majority hindu state……..”

One day when I have time and when you start giving reasonable answers or raise pertinent issues I will happily give you my take on your biased and incorrect opinion of issues in Kashmir. Till then have a good day or break or whatever it is you want.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33359 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:24:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33359 @Dara
Sorry, you are very emotional and probably a Nationalist.

I have nothing more to add to the topic.
The European borders are not free for non- europeans entering Europe. Once you are in a european country, other than the UK, you are not checked when you travel from one country to another.
I have answered Rehmat on Pakistan genocide. This was barbaric and does not even serve the interest of a nationalist. I have no intentions to find any excuse for merciless killing of the civilians bythe military and I really get sick when I read your fellow countrymen justifying or relatativising the actions of the Indian miolitary. The use of the military suppression against civilians in Russia and China was known to us, though not the details, but the use of military in a democratic sate is a novice and I am not prepared to reconcile with this reality. This is a curse and not permitted in any of the religions. I shall protest against this as long as I live and would also not accept tit for tat.

Rex Minor

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By: DaraIndia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33356 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:19:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33356 @ Rex Minor

“Let us not cherry pick to justify the act of the brits or of the Kashmir maharaja?
The Maharaja or the Nizam of Hyderabad declared the allegance to Pakistan for his majority hindu state and was surprised to see the Indian military takeover as well.” Rex Minor

Look for heavens sake stop showing your total ignorance. Give me even one source that bears out your contention that the Nizam “declared allegiance for Pakistan”. You have no idea, not even the remotest, of history and you go on with your bombast. I am not here to educate you, dont have the time – don’t care. So find out for yourself what really happened in Hyderabad and come back here.Your ignorance is not even amusing any more.

Secondly, I am not cherry picking. I am responding directly to Myra on her statement made in this article. Why does that bother you? So how is that Cherry picking? Will you please clarify and not just go off again on some inconsequential, unrelated topic?

If you want to discuss Hyderabad, get your facts right and come back with authentic information.

“Pakistan military leaders were too timid at the time and were under the control of the brits., and hence the Pashtoon tribesmen were asked to save Islam in kashmir. ”

More baloney. Have you heard anything about a Stand To agreement? Who was it between and what was it? Stop showing off your ignorance. Who made Pakistan the guardian of Islam? It wasn’t even a country till 1947 and hey presto in 2 months it decided it was the sword arm of Islam?

“But today we are in the 21st century and very much involved with the people and no longer so much with so called countries or borders which in any way are becoming irrelevant.”

Which borders in which country are irrelevant? I have travelled through almost all Europe recently. Everywhere, whether air, train or road, I was checked at every border including your Germany. What does all this cliche ridden rhetoric pf yours have to do with what is being discussed here? It is not even tangentially connected. name one country which was ever not involved with people earlier? Your statement implies that it is something new – ‘very much involved with the people and no longer so much with so called countries or borders’ – more rubbish which means nothing.

Also, as Rehmat asks, not a peep from you anymore about the genocide and murder, loot and rapes of over a million in Bangladesh. According to you did it happen or are you still ignorant and surprised and in need of a break?

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33354 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:50:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33354 Umair says:

“Had India not been hostile, Pakistan had no need to enter into alliance with the US.

Since Pakistan was once a part of (British) India, many of its problems are due to the past. Unfortunately that cannot be changed, and it will require a lot of effort to put the country back on track.”

–>You dxmb fxxken rxtxrd!

India was never, ever the hostile or aggressive one, get that through your propaganda grey matter, your history, at least some of it, is wrong and propagandized you, to use lies as a tool for national unity.

Every war 1965, 1971, 1980’s to current proxy war, Kargil, Red Fort, Mumbai.

Your Pakistani Army and Islamic Militant terrorists inflicted death and wars on India and rightfully so, India countered your aggression every time.

India’s aggression was always in response to Pakistani first fire on India. Just get that big fact through your fat head!.

India is not the enemy of Pakistan, it is the pindi boyz themselves and the militant frankenstein they created for their own ambitions.

So, suck it up princess, and deal with it!

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By: 777xxx777 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-2/#comment-33315 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 03:22:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33315 @Rex
I ask tough questions and u shying away. As long as you salute so called Kaafirs as well along with muslims for their bravery I am good with it. One should always respect bravery and good deeds irrespective of their religion or caste.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/10/19/pakistan-a-list-too-long/comment-page-1/#comment-33308 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:39:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6263#comment-33308 Rex Minor: “Let us move on, you are a very brave person and so are all the Americans and the NATO people etc. etc. Does this make you feel better. O’K, let us now move on!!”

I am ok with this so long as you do not come back singing Pashtun glories again. That sounds warped to everyone here.

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