Comments on: Pakistan and the narrative of shame http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-34049 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:19:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-34049 @”What’s the point of all this?”
Posted by rehmat

I believe, the answer to that lies in the phrase “kisi ki jal rahi hai”.

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-34041 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:57:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-34041 “I mentioned certain unwritten historical facts to evoke the feeling in all of us the sense of humanity and to make us all realize how we must have been hurting one another daily morbidly.”
***Oh I see!

“Whatever Muslims left for its children in return is more than enough, which even to day India earns to because of those and feed its citizens.”
***So deep down you are still thinking from Muslim vs Hindu. Rationally speaking, there is nothing like “ancestors left and is more than enough”. Each generation has to work hard for its next generation like each one of ours ancestors did. Muslims (nor anyone else) of today cannot claim credit for the Mughal glory nor should they be discredited for whatever happened in the history.

The present matters, since that dictates the future. I have no idea how you can claim about India feeding citizens due to what the Muslims left. Does this not amount to what you prescribe not to do “Hence, it is better not to dig on one another in matters of religion, and past.

The sad part is everyone wants peace and everyone prescribes peace and still peace is no where. I wonder why.

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-34029 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:36:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-34029 Rape is not a matter of “shame” for the victim. It’s a crime. The collective finger of society should be pointed at the perpetrator, not the victim.

Instead of viewing the history of conquest as a matter of “shame” for the conquered nation, can we be civilised enough to see it as a crime on the part of the conqueror? There is no honour in aggression and conquest. It’s a sign of barbarism.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: KINGFISHER http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-34027 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 05:19:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-34027 The facts are indeed very bitter for all. Therefore, pouncing on a country and people one hates should not be the matter of ones’ pride, joy and victory. Thus, one should not hit another on points that strikes another morbidly My friend.

What the Mugals and the British did in bygone day on Hindus or Muslims and all others are part of facts not mentioned in the history books vividly, why? it is to avert pronouncing shame to a nation in writing either about India, Pakistan or about any other nation for decencies sake.

Hence, it is better not to dig on one another in matters of religion, and past. As many facts are unwritten whether these unwritten facts of shame are in regard to Hindus , Muslims, Christians, Jews or of any others, because these are painful stories of humankind particularly for any nation and should be avoided to bring them to surface not only for decencies sake but for humanity’s sake.

I mentioned certain unwritten historical facts to evoke the feeling in all of us the sense of humanity and to make us all realize how we must have been hurting one another daily morbidly.

Just think how would we establish friendship with one another if we all fight on and continue to do so infinitely. My friends we must agree that is the greatest shame for us all in Twenty First Century, irrespective of nation, race and religion in fact for all humankind.

Please remember the essence that first we should be rational then only we can call ourselves Humankind.

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-34021 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 03:43:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-34021 @KINGFISHER

“Probably drone attacks are not that shameful as handing over by the male members of the country of Rajput and Hindu women to undergo physical torture of shameful rape nights and days in and out by the Mugals and British”

***Be sensible!

If anything of that sort happened at mass level that you seem to be indicating, it is EQUALLY shameful for Muslims. if you do not think so, you got a problem. Do not be proud of this! This is no Mughal glory. What you said justifies the notion carried by some Hindus of genocide and rape during Mughal times. If I take your line of thought a bit further, British would have done the same to Muslim women as well. No?

What’s the point of all this?

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By: KINGFISHER http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-34009 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:30:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-34009 Having gone through the article its comments and counter comments of my commenter friends reminded me of a thief after committing theft on way back met some simple persons and gave a religious sermon stating therein not to commit theft as it is a very bad sin and GOD will punish the person whoever commits theft.
I was amazed to find that in Twenty First Century sighting examples of shame of others forgetting those days when people did not have even the clothes to hide the Shame not only of the population but also the country during the Muslim and British rules.

Pakistan as an independent country came into being much later, to sight example before Partition came into being should be the shame of India not Pakistan. What about DNA change of the Rajputs and Hindus during the Mugals were not the generations of shame for India..

Probably drone attacks are not that shameful as handing over by the male members of the country of Rajput and Hindu women to undergo physical torture of shameful rape nights and days in and out by the Mugals and British. Is it not a distasteful and most disgusting shameful episode of the Indian Nation? Can this fact be erased? No, it cannot be as facts remain fresh as a bud under all conditions.
If weighed and measured India has more loathsome and shameful history than Pakistan. Indian hate against Muslim may be because of the DNA change during Muslim rule in India. Whatever Muslims left for its children in return is more than enough, which even to day India earns to because of those and feed its citizens. However, would no one call it a shame? No.

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-33960 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:38:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-33960 @Rex

“let us recognise the divine power in all occurances.”

***Of course!

Peace!
Rehmat

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-33953 Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:14:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-33953 @Rehmat
let us recognise the divine power in all occurances.

Happy Eid to you also!

Rex Milnor

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-33878 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:47:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-33878 Rex

“Only people having the intellectual courage and belief in mataphysics and morality and ethics are going to restore order and balance in the civilised societies!”

***That’s a tall order from people with gun! Keep waiting.

Happy Eid!

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By: G-W http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/11/pakistan-and-the-narrative-of-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-33875 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:55:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6388#comment-33875 On the topic of shame, I don’t have a word to describe the story below:

Justice, Pakistani citizen style:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/ou tcry-over-death-sentence-for-blasphemy-m other-who-offered-farmhands-water-201011 12-17pri.html

Pope implores Pakistani to spare mother of young children.

I am lost for words.

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