Comments on: Are the Taliban distancing themselves from al Qaeda? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34259 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 22:06:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34259 @theinsaneo
Think simple and straight, analyse the words and psyche of the people. Iraq war was not a strategic blunder per say or a thoughtful project. Wars are always crimes against the humanity. You suddenly had a phony billy the kid, who admired the wild west and believed in the stories of the good succeeding against the bad one. George w believed in the CIA info about Sadam Hussain plot to have his father the Bush senior killed. George W went into Iraq for vengance, come what may and to prove to his father that he is worthy to be his son. The Bush senior thought very high of his younger son, the texas Governor, and was not proud of George W’s poor military service.
Comprando! The AQ org. and money and the rest are all made up stories and meant for the birds or people like you and me. This is just one of the make believe stories. Innocents and always innocents and straight forward people get hurt and loose their lives. Saudis have nothing to do with it. They are feeding America every single day, they are also keeping the capitalist system going with the money they earn from the oil sales, and return it to the american and European industry.
They are supporting Pakistan existance, providing aid to many other countries and charity organisations in the world. They are not controlling the actions of any who receive their help. They are no different than the Christian Countries and ngo’s who are equally helping the needy regardless of their religion or political affiliations. The love for the next one is the teaching of Islam,christianity and Judaism.
People who undertook the violent mission in NY .. were arabs and not saudis only. mr Ata was an egyptian. They were studying in Hamburg and some had completed the Engineering course. They were not trained to be terrorists in Afghanistan, nor did they study several years engineering to throw it away and take the mission to take innocent lives of the people. Sometimes things occur and there is no logical explanation. People loose lives, George W was advised that this was a revenge from AQ boss wgho was earlier the target of bill Clinton ordered missiles, which failed. If you have the experience of war, then you should know that if your enemy fires at you and misses, then he is not going to expect mercy form you. This is the game which is being played now. let us hope that the struggle ends in a truce!

Now we have the new President who is in love with the American dream philosaphy and reckons that he is a better chief for decisions. On a personal level I do not blame George W intent to punish Saddam Hussain but why cause the death of so many.
The new President has misunderstood the fall of the so called taliban govt. Mr Karzai is a Pashtoon leader and is an integral part of the Pushtoon taliban family. All of the Pashtoons have a dislike for foreigners unless they are their guests and speak with them at an equal level. They do not accept any Mr above them. Also they do not expect the Govt to handle their private affairs including security. They nominate and elect the Govt. to organise services, schools(yes schools) and essential services such as roads, hospitals etc etc. But this is separate subject.

Rex Minor

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34245 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:46:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34245 @theinsaneo

Thanks for the book references.

Since you have real battlefield experience, I have a question for you.

Fallujah battle was hard since those guys were ready to fight to death, as I understand vaguely.

If you replace Taliban with Fallujah type fighters in Afghanistan, a vast and TOUGH terrain spread across Af-Pak, do you think the ISAF will face similar problems as it is facing with Taliban?

It is often heard that Pushtoons have remained undefeated.

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By: theinsaneo http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34226 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:05:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34226 @ rehmat
That book is amazing. Another good one is “Imperial Hubris”.

My own opinion on Rummy is that he tried the “whiz kid” strategy of Mcnamarra. He seemed to view things as a numbers game.
The example I will give is this. Fallujah. We took it. Killed a few thousand insurgent fighters compared to the hundred or so casualties we took. According to the numbers we won the battle. But we left the A.O. And the insurgents came back. So tactically and strategically we lost and had to go back in a number of times.

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34220 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 06:50:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34220 @theinsaneo

“As far as Iraq I think that was one of the biggest boneheaded blunders in American Foreign Policy. Trust me, as a soldier who has had in his @$$ in the line of fire, I hate these war more than anyone else. The reason why we went into Iraq….I will leave that topic alone for my own career.”
***I have nothing against soldiers in Iraq. It is the Rummy/Bush and American decision. That war lost America its supporters in common people. When Americans landed in Afghanistan, most of the people supported.

“If you want to read more about the Tora Bora op read Dalton FUry’s book. He is a former Delta operator and it will open your eyes to the realities of the war and op”
***I have seen an interview about this guy on TV (face not shown obviously).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtPBTybQ 9k&feature=player_embedded

What he is saying is known to common people in the region that you got to fight your own war. Delta had to take Mujahideen support who work in their own strange ways and have shady deals as deltafury also mentions. Add to that delta not being allowed to carry on with their plans by American leadership. Book will tell the details though.

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By: 777xxx777 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34207 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:45:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34207 @Rehmat
“Imagine the USA successfully defeating Taliban and a US-friendly govt comes into power. One country away in Iraq, assume the same. Iran nuclear talk and the possibility of Iran facing Iraq and then imagine Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India all in one line with pro-US govts. Theoretically not a bad scenario, especially China #2 now.”

Now you have hit the nail on head. Exactly this is going on. US wants oil and Saudi Royal family wants rule. US already had Kuwait and UAE. Next was Iraq. Then Pakistan occupancy is going on now. Afghanistan (read Taliban) has been softened enough to kneel in front of Saudi rulers (Before this war it was Saudi money not Saudi family). Iran is left and will be next target of US/Saudis. And a pro-US govt in India. YES its very evident, The Great Oil Wars.

But people believing China as super power is ridiculous and as laughable as saying OBL will be next president of US. Look at history. Any nation becomes super power only when it is leading innovation and invention. Is China inventing?????? A BIG NO (font size 40 and Bold). Then how can China be super power. This is a century of chaos and opportunity, both together. Any nation that finds an alternate source of energy which is green and sustainable will be next super power. Race to Green energy is ON. Whosoever wins will rule next century. And if no one wins then mankind will lose (if not losing already).

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By: theinsaneo http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34204 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:26:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34204 @ rehmat
***Questionable? Iraq war for one. OBL is not the pope of A-Q and A-Q is spread globally as I see from the analyses. Don’t you think there is a scope that someone else in A-Q from some other part of the world can do it?

AQ is a global organization. But at the end of the day who is that claims to be the head of it? At the end of the day who do the other arms of AQ hail as it’s leader?

Perhaps you do not find it impressive enough that no one in Bush Admn was in a big hurry to tighten the noose around OBL and his fellows. I am sure you know that Iraq war was decided in first week post-9/11. Wonder why? I am not in any big rush than the American admn to go after OBL. I am not betting my life on it either. Where are the evidence again?

As far as Iraq I think that was one of the biggest boneheaded blunders in American Foreign Policy. Trust me, as a soldier who has had in his @$$ in the line of fire, I hate these war more than anyone else. The reason why we went into Iraq….I will leave that topic alone for my own career. If you want to read more about the Tora Bora op read Dalton FUry’s book. He is a former Delta operator and it will open your eyes to the realities of the war and op

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By: theinsaneo http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34203 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:13:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34203 @ rehmat
The hijackers were trained by AQ.”
***Did any 9/11 hijacker take training in Af-Pak? They were from Saudi Arabia and none of them visit Af-Pak but were trained in the USA.

the flight training was done in the US. and yet they attended combat training in Af-Pak

“The funding for the op came from AQ.”
***The funding ultimately is from Saudi money.
Saudi money given to AQ

“I fail to see what is so questionable about it.”
***My recommendation as I suggested earlier is arm twisting Saudis who legitimized Taliban govt along with UAE and Pakistan. Both Taliban and Pakistan need money from Saudis and would listen to them.
Oh I agree that Saudi Arabia is the key. But that is a whole big can of worms. If we the US get involved in the Kingdom we get accused by the world of meddling. If we don’t then we never get rid of the nest of snakes. It is a no win. Not to mention I honestly don’t think that our President has the marbles to do what needs to be done.

Rather the approach was killing the mosquito with a bunker buster

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34201 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:01:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34201 @Myra
The article is very clear and well understood. This is the first time that a former member of the so called taliban Govt. believes AQ involvement in sept 11 plot and lying to mullah Omar. The interview was in arabic language and one assumes that the translation is accurate.

I would take his comments with a pinch of salt and without forgetting that Mr zaeef was kept in gitmo and has probably received a full does of the treatment, namely extreme interrogations, torture and was most probably a complete Brainwash.

It is very difficult to diagnose his health conditions from a distance but they are not very clear.

For example he made a statement some time ago that the taliban leaders would be prepared to talk to the American administration if their names were removed from the terrorists list. It would seem that the Taliban leaders names are no longer on the so called terrorists list! The talibans have not had any talks with the Americans, insisting that the foreign forces must leave first.

Mr Zaeef is now putting out that in his view(belief) Bin Laden lied to Mullah Omar about his involvement in sept 11. Why was he not asked by his interviewer if Bin Laden is still alive and his whereabouts! I get the impression that he is now in the Karzai camp and making statements after clearance with the Afghan and the American Govts.

History tells us that Pashtoons do not negotiate with foreign occupying forces. It also tells that no Pashtoon would ever hand over a fugitive whom he has given the assylum in his house. Any Pashtoon committing this act must leave the land with the fugitive.

In my view Bin Laden has died some time ago.
Mr Karzai is now the spokesman for Taliban leaders, with whom he has had direct and indirect talks.

Rex Minor

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34198 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:03:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34198 @777

I tend to agree with the war for oil and energy resources or geo-strategic reasons.

Imagine the USA successfully defeating Taliban and a US-friendly govt comes into power. One country away in Iraq, assume the same. Iran nuclear talk and the possibility of Iran facing Iraq and then imagine Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India all in one line with pro-US govts. Theoretically not a bad scenario, especially China #2 now.

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By: rehmat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/11/28/are-the-taliban-distancing-themselves-from-al-qaeda/comment-page-1/#comment-34197 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:52:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6473#comment-34197 @theinsaneo

““The hijackers were trained by AQ.”
***Did any 9/11 hijacker take training in Af-Pak? They were from Saudi Arabia and none of them visit Af-Pak but were trained in the USA.

“The funding for the op came from AQ.”
***The funding ultimately is from Saudi money.

“I fail to see what is so questionable about it.”
***My recommendation as I suggested earlier is arm twisting Saudis who legitimized Taliban govt along with UAE and Pakistan. Both Taliban and Pakistan need money from Saudis and would listen to them.

Rather the approach was killing the mosquito with a bunker buster.

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