Comments on: Pakistani papers retract WikiLeaks story on India http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34503 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:26:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34503 Matrixx,

Everything else you said is fine with me, except,

“According to you all Pakistanis are mentally sick, then you are in big trouble.
Is it not right of a country to determine who is friend or enemy?”

We have been in big trouble for a long time. This is not new. I did not know countries suddenly choose to become enemies. That is very childish. Countries always strive to be friendly or stay away from each other. Enmity can be created and sustained by false propaganda, misperception, apprehension, paranoia and sheer contempt. In the case of Pakistan, all these have been used by those in power to sustain unnecessary enmity towards India. Even the recent Pakileaks have been driven with that motive – whatever can help widen the gap between India and Pakistan and can build more mistrust has been tried by vested groups holding on to indirect power. That is unfortunate.

India has not chosen to be an enemy of Pakistan or China. We’d like to co-exist. At least that has been the case for the past two decades. If we simply co-existed, we could focus more on progress. Everything else will take care of itself. In fact that is what India has done internally – co-exist and work on progress, A lot of differences have begun to disappear.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34502 Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:17:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34502 To the law 101 expert,

Here is something for you to chew on. The Pentagon is going to prosecute Assange on a 1917 US law. Go read it for yourself:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40633129/ns/ us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34498 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:57:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34498 KPS
I hope you don’t work for USG, they have already warned employees to not read Wikileaks. I’m wondering what law they are thinking of using.
According to you all Pakistanis are mentally sick, then you are in big trouble.
Is it not right of a country to determine who is friend or enemy?

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34497 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:32:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34497 KPS
I know I was harsh on you in previous post. Let me point out what I meant.
Take my comment on “a few bad apples”. The phrase was initially used in context of Abu Gharaib torture cases. The point of this was that it is not systematic and a policy. My position is that any infraction of civil or military law must be prosecuted.
If a country fails to prosecute torture fully, then it becomes subject to action under international Law.
You take “a few bad apples” concept to financial markets and terror cases. Let’s take each one at a time.
Financial fraud is mostly domestic issue but the government did not let some of those large financial institutions fail using the concept of “too big to fail” and the cost was passed on to tax payers. The question again is, was it an individual or system failure? In my mind the solution to “too big to fail” is breakup of large financial institution.
Now let the case of Terror. If terror is based on individuals it should should be prosecuted as a criminal act. On the other hand if terror is coming from organization, those organization should be eliminated.

You can see that “a few bad apples” and “too big to fail” are political tools. It has not legal content. As far as Assange is concerned, the first step is to file a legal charge sheet and let the due process begin.First thing the court will take on is the question of jurisdiction. If US court don’t have jurisdiction over Gitmo, it would be difficult to go on.
Now you want to use terror as a tool against anybody who is critical of you but my friend you are no Dick Chenny.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34496 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:11:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34496 Matrixx: “So if I don’t agree with you you, you classify me as a terrorist. This is a good one George Bush is really proud of you.”

Why? You can call my discussion on leaked information as a crime. But I cannot call you a terrorist sympathizer based on your words? What law is that?

Let me quote your own words here: “Now if you consider Wikileak as illegal, you read it and use it for your discussion, then you are accessory to crime.”

I simply used your own logic. That’s all. You claim here that using Wikileak information for discussions can be considered as being an accessory to crime. And my reply was along the same lines. If you do not agree that terrorists have made travel miserable, then you sympathize with them. I did not classify you as a terrorist if you read my words carefully. So you are twisting my words. Is that part of law 101 too?

“It is not my job to teach you Law 101 or logic 100. Those things can be learnt but there is no cure for sickness in mind.”

I am not itching to learn law 101 from you either. As far sickness of mind, you probably should look at the people around you in Pakistan. It is sick minds that think India is the enemy. It is sick minds that create dubious distortion of wikileak information to create unnecessary tension. May be you should go work with them to clear their minds. We are doing ok here. Thanks.

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34494 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:27:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34494 KPS
“Do you agree with my point that travel has become miserable due to some bad apples or not? If not, then you are siding with terrorists who targeted innocent public and made life worse for them. If you support those terrorists for making things worse, then you lose the right to accuse others of the same. What is there to be surprised?”
So if I don’t agree with you you, you classify me as a terrorist. This is a good one George Bush is really proud of you.
It is not my job to teach you Law 101 or logic 100. Those things can be learnt but there is no cure for sickness in mind.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34487 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:05:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34487 Ganesh,

The biggest problem with wikileaks, is that it also contains some ultra-sensitive information like names & locations of informants & agents in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq etc. and also about locations & movements of soldiers & officials in many countries. Since wikileaks does not filter out any of this highly classified info, they can be accessed by terrorists and/or adversaries as well. IMO, It’s absolutely irresponsible & immoral to endanger the lives of people, for your own benefit & that’s exactly what Assange is doing under the false pretext of “freedom of speech”. At the end of the day, he’s nothing more than a glorified hacker (which BTW was his earlier profession).
Besides, the leaks have done nothing but create misunderstandings, sour relations & leave a bad taste in the mouths of many. For instance, what good has this news about “denuclearization of Pakistan” done, except create more anti-americanism in Pakistan & give fodder to the fundamentalits, to spew venom & spin more conspiracy theories.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34480 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 05:50:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34480 Just saw the news that a couple of brothers have blown up a place in Sweden. Hope this does not trace back to the land of milk and honey.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34479 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 05:49:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34479 Ganesh: “Wikileaks antagonised governments without delivering much value to the average citizen.”

What was the purpose of leaking sensitive information? It has not achieved anything. People are more interested in what Paris Hilton’ panty color is than in Wikileaks, to be honest.

Pakileaks are more interesting because it is based on creative imagination and can turn a bunch of blind and emotional people to commit frenzied acts against fellow humans.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/12/10/pakistani-papers-retract-wikileaks-story-on-india/comment-page-1/#comment-34478 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 05:45:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6528#comment-34478 matrixx: “You should take course Law 101. National laws don’t go beyond legal borders.”

If Assange had committed an act while staying within US borders, what you say is correct. If he sits outside and steals classified information about the US and publishes it, the US can act against that. This is assuming the US has a law that prohibits publishing sensitive information that it regards as an issue of national safety. Using your Law 101 logic, the US should never have come looking for Bin Laden. He is not a US citizen. Whatever he did, happened on US soil, while he was not present in the US. The US does not even have concrete proof that he was behind 9/11. But US bombed Afghanistan, deposed the Taliban regime, set up military camps inside the place and has been hunting for Bin Laden. If your law 101 is correct, this will not be happening. The fact that it is happening is because your law 101 is incorrect.

“Now if you consider Wikileak as illegal, you read it and use it for your discussion, then you are accessory to crime. You should also learn the difference between prosecution and persecution.”

That looks like a law in a country named Matrixx. It is like accusing a rape victim for adultery. Once information is thrown into public domain, any one can use it. There is no law that says public domain information is sensitive government property and that you will be targeted for using it. It is not copy righted information either. And now where does persecution come in?

“Few bad apples is an argument to hide from crimes committed in Abu Gharaib. I’m surprised that you mention it.”

Do you agree with my point that travel has become miserable due to some bad apples or not? If not, then you are siding with terrorists who targeted innocent public and made life worse for them. If you support those terrorists for making things worse, then you lose the right to accuse others of the same. What is there to be surprised?

“The banking crises of 2008 was systemic fraud on people of America. Now everybody is paying for it. Few bad apples should have no impact on large economy of America.”

No. A few bad apples had a lot of financial clout than the average American. And what they did had a huge impact on US and world economy. Unbridled capitalism can resemble gambling and in gambling sometimes people take huge risks and end up losing everything. And what they did had a huge impact on the US economy, which means you are wrong.

“My friend you are quick at the keyboard but you should give yourself more time to connect the dots.”

I did connect the dots and it shows me that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are simply twisting logic to suit your views, much like your beloved ISI.

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