Comments on: Army, Allah and America: on Pakistani pitfalls and the future of Egypt Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: goodgovernance Wed, 01 May 2013 05:47:38 +0000 First off, let me correct the combination of Allah, America and Army. It is no longer being applied. Its now America, Arabs and Army.

While looking at Pakistan, we must remember that extremism, militancy and terrorism have both ideological and socio-economic dimensions. We fought the Afghan Jihad in the 80’s but there were no signs of extremism, militancy and terrorism in the 90’s. These emerged in the 2000’s after 9/11 episode.

There is a good deal of confusion about the existence of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). It appears to have no physical existence as it has no headquarters in Pakistan. Nor has it branches or operational units any where in Pakistan. It is believed to be an umbrella of a movement of 10 or so militant groups operating for their own ideological affiliations. It does not seem to be affiliated with the Taliban of Afghanistan.

We cannot rule out the possibility of TTP label being used by criminal, ethnic and sectarian outfits.

Besides the ideological dimension, we must not forget that Pakistan is overwhelmingly poor. Its riches are confined to just 5% of its total population of 180 million. One-third of its population lives below the poverty line. Its lower classes, below and above the poverty line, are suffocating with inflation, unemployment, and poverty. These teeming millions are deprived of their basic socio-economic rights. They do not have access to clean drinking water, health, education, electricity, gas and other amenities.

With bulging gap between the haves and the havnots are destroying the Unity, Faith, and Discipline of the whole society.

What Pakistan needs today and, needs direly and urgently, is a complete overhaul of its economic, social, political, legal and judicial systems. We are still living with 200-year old British laws and a lot many conflicting laws conceived during the last sixty years of civilian-military rule.

Pakistan has tremendous potential for growth and prosperity. It has been blessed with every thing like the land, sea, rivers, four seasons, manpower, mineral resources, natural gas and petroleum, coal reserves, gold and silver mines and over seven million overseas Pakistanis sending home USD 10 billions and above every year.

Pakistan can progress and prosper ONLY with good governance in the country free from corruption and endowed with rule of law, rule of merit and rule of accountability. It should not take Pakistan more than 10 years to stabilize the economic, social, and political strata for a major take-off.

Mumtaz A. Piracha
Good Governance Forum
–Leading the Way to the Challenge of Change in Pakistan

By: KPSingh01 Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:22:48 +0000 Mortal1: “It’s quite clear that this character, deliberately goes out of his way to ignore the facts which refute his ill-informed preconceived notions & expose his “stomach based” nonsense. He simply does not have the moral courage & integrity to challenge his ignorance & bigotry”

This guy is not alone. Most Pakistanis seem to be of the same mentality – deny, negate anything that does not agree with their vision. Facts or not, what they believe is only correct. The rest can be recited into deaf ears. This is the sign of a society getting walls closed around it. Ignorance will at some point blind them and they will be pushed into doing the wrong thing because of their own built in paranoia and could justify their actions based on it.

By: Mortal1 Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:01:47 +0000 @”I’m actually quite relieved now, because I was beginning to think there was something wrong in my arguments, and that was why they were constantly failing to convince.” Posted by prasadgc

It’s quite clear that this character, deliberately goes out of his way to ignore the facts which refute his ill-informed preconceived notions & expose his “stomach based” nonsense. He simply does not have the moral courage & integrity to challenge his ignorance & bigotry.

By: KPSingh01 Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:46:47 +0000 Pakistan: “You have a good read of history and have the ability to learn to read the future history(tobe written), which some call it vision. When you are successful, then tell us what the future actions of the antagonists in the Asian subcontinent are going to be?”

People will always be at odds with each other. If it is not this issue, it will be that issue. Most national borders today were defined by colonial regimes of the past. They have created only more problems than any solutions. One thing to look at in the future would be to redefine these borders according to our times and circumstances. This means, a couple of generations later, they will have to be redefined again. It is not worth killing others for the sake of artificial boundaries. The course should be to make artificial borders less significant and allow people to migrate and move around at will based on their needs. Policing would only be required to track criminals and confine them. When great empires existed in the sub-continent and elsewhere in the past, people could move in and out of the borders without any issues. There were no passports, visas and all that kind of nonsense. Empires fought each other for territorial claims, but they left the people out of them. And such claims were exclusively for collecting taxes and getting soldiers for their armies.

In fact, inside a big country like India, there are states with borders. But they are not separate countries. People can move around anywhere based on their needs. They can apply to any college across the whole union and travel anywhere they like. They do not need passports or visas to go across the state borders. Criminals are still there and there is a police system to take care of them. So why not extend this further? Why do countries have to exist with rigidly drawn boundaries, soldiers to protect them, flags to salute, wage wars to defend them and divide people from the same family on either side? Look at North and South Korea? For whose benefit are these entities created? Kim Jong? or the people? Why are 500000 soldiers staring at each other at the Korean border that divides the same people?

You will realize that borders and nations were created for the benefit of a few – those who get to control others and resource movement. The Colonial empires fought each other everywhere to exploit wealth and resources. So they carved out borders to keep their competitors from stepping into their treasure troves. There is no need for those empires now. When resources are shared, artificially created borders lead to conflicts and loss of lives.

We all should work towards a modern world where borders are created merely for administrative purposes like states within a country. Immigration laws, passports, visas etc have been created by Western powers to keep others out of the wealth that they have managed to get ahead of others. The world is bursting at its seam with population that has been confined within artificially created borders for the benefit of a set of small minority groups. If such borders go away, militaries will disappear. Only local police and administrators will be needed. This is the eventual state the world needs to get to in the future. It will happen, much like the world becoming flat today through commercial needs. This planet has to become one nation before humans try their hands on other planets to populate.

In about 500 years, what I have said will become a necessity and reality. What we see today is only a temporary status of adjustment between humans in a rapidly changing environment.

By: prasadgc Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:41:59 +0000 I’m actually quite relieved now, because I was beginning to think there was something wrong in my arguments, and that was why they were constantly failing to convince. When even a Kashmiri Muslim like Shabir Choudhry is not to be taken seriously (because he says things on his blog that our friend Rex doesn’t agree with), then of course none of us can hope to be called anything other than zombies. The only acceptable arguments are those that he already agrees with! Facts that disagree with his pre-existing opinions are to be simply discarded.

Maybe a better Latin name for Rex Minor would be Mens Claustra (closed mind)…

Ganesh Prasad

By: Mortal1 Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:36:14 +0000 @”UmairPK, Now the zombies are out. We are apparently not talking about 1947 Kashmir, but 1847 Kashmir! Poor Kashmiris, the day for their freedom is not yet there ” Posted by pakistan

If you have a problem with what I said, be man enough to address it directly to me rather than to Umair, like a gossipy old woman (which I think you actually are).
You commented that most Kashmiris from Pakistan moved to the UK after “India took over their land” & I refuted your lie with the fact that India had nothing to do with and that their migration was due to the building of Mangla dam. The origin of mirpuris was a side lesson for you because (factual) knowledge is something which you seem to be desperately in need of.

By: pakistan Thu, 10 Feb 2011 16:57:43 +0000 @UmairPK

Now the zombies are out. We are apparently not talking about 1947 Kashmir, but 1847 Kashmir! Poor Kashmiris, the day for their freedom is not yet there. The Kashmiris who were compelled to save their lives and took refuge in other parts of the world, are no longer regarded Kashmiris by the zombies. Too bad for letting the construction of Mangla Dam and letting their old town go to sleep under water. Mirpur is after all called a Little Britain, and most of the Mirpuris hold dual nationalities, therefore technicaly speaking should’nt their territory be claimed back by the Brits.
not a bad solution, this could enable the kashmiris to get themselves rid of Indian military. This is a novel approach, not different from the novel approach of the Egyptians approach. We are facing turbulance times.

We just have to wait. 2011 is the year for the suppressed muslims to gain their independence and I am prepared to place my bet on this! There is a saying among Arabs that those who believe in God and have been told to pray five times a day, are also promised that GOD will listen to their prayers and their enemy would meet its destruction.

Rex Minor

By: Mortal1 Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:15:05 +0000 @”Is he not aware that most of the so called Pakistanis living in the UK are of Kashmiri origin, the refugees from Kashmr who were granted Pakistani Passports at their requests enabling them to travel to the UK after the indian take over of their country? Do you consider this guy’s writing should be taken seiously?”
Posted by pakistan

How many times will you keep twisting facts to support your ill-informed arguments?

FYI, more than half of the Pakistani population in Britain is from Mirpur (in Pakistan occupied Kashmir). These so-called Kasmiris began emigrating from Pakistan after the completion of Mangla Dam in Mirpur in the late 1950s. The completion of the dam led to the destruction of hundreds of villages and stimulated a large wave of migration. Many of Mirpur’s inhabitants left for Britain & they were given legal and financial assistance by the British contractor which had built the dam. I say “so-called Kashmiris” because most ethnic Kashmiris do not consider Mirpuri people to be Kashmiris as Mirpur is a former Punjabi District with an ethnic Punjabi population that had no geographic or historic link to Kashmir until the treaty of Amritsar in 1846.

By: prasadgc Thu, 10 Feb 2011 03:57:14 +0000 Rex Minor said:

> perhaps one of these days,I may call on you. Australia is not foreign for me nor are the outskirts of sydney.

That’s good. Perhaps many of these misunderstandings in writing can be sorted out by talking face-to-face.

Ganesh Prasad

By: prasadgc Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:51:25 +0000 Rex Minor,

Again, I don’t know if you deliberately fail to understand a simple point.

Is either Azad Kashmir or Gilgit-Baltistan an independent country? No.

Who occupies Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan? Pakistan.

If the people of Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan are to be allowed to decide their future, who stands in the way? Pakistan.

So, why do you focus your attention only on Indian-held Kashmir? Can you also direct a question at Pakistan?

Even-handedness and lack of double-standards are all that are being asked for.

Or is the distinction between “believers” and “non-believers” the crucial one?

> Sorry you have shown your biased part too often!

The biases of every poster here are open to all to see, my friend! Throwing stones from inside a glass house isn’t advisable.

Ganesh Prasad