Comments on: In Pakistan, an assassination and the death of words http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36856 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:35:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36856 I would like to know the “ground reality” which led to such cruelty & lack of empathy from man towards his fellow man. I’ve been trying to make sense of it all for 17 yrs now (since I first read about the holocaust as a teenager) but have not fugured it out yet. I’d like to know the other side of the story.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36854 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:15:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36854 “Your one sided slogans against Nazi party is valid but biased and not fare, when you ignore the reality on ground an what prompted Hitler to come into power and went bezirk in attackng its neighbous.”

I would like to hear, what on earth can possibly justify the systematic democide of 11 million innocent civilians (6 million jews, Poles, Romanies, Soviets, Slovaks, disabled, gays etc). Can you justify 3 million children being gassed to death?

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36850 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:07:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36850 You certainly have a nobler attitude towards others than I have. I admit my weakness and short comings. Let us leave it at that. German third reich lost the war and this does not mean that the crimes committed by anglo saxons and the Soviets were less sinister than those of the third reich. Admitedly, Americans were the only party which got sucked into war by japanese attack. Winston churchil an stalin were nevertheless no heroes but simple criminals who were responsible for the deaths of millions innocent civilians, women and children whose cities were erased from the ground. Your one sided slogans against Nazi party is valid but biased and not fare, when you ignore the reality on ground an what prompted Hitler to come into power and went bezirk in attackng its neighbous. Nepolian was no different and the first ww was no different either nor the war of thirty years in Europe was any different. Today the Europeans want peace and we have peace, Indians and Pakistani citizens could learn from the european history and follow suit!! Alternatively they would face in the next a war for a century!!

Rex Minor

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36820 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:07:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36820 “No, I have not been to India and I thank God for this”

India should also thank god! The reason I brought this up, is to prove that most of your perceptions about India, are based on the anti-India voices, which have your ear. You hear & believe, what you want to, while ignoring the rest. No Indian would dispute or deny that there’s a lot of poverty in India & there are many social issues (including slave labor) which need to be fixed but no one can also dispute or deny the fact that India is making tremendous strides & most of it’s socio-economic indicators are pointing in the right direction. For a large country like India, it will take a few more decades, before the trickle down effect reaches all the stratas of society.

“You try to relatavise everything and justify slavery in India since it occurs in other parts of he world.”

I did not try to justify it. I was merely pointing at your selectiveness. You are quick to point a finger at India while ignoring others including muslim countries like Pakistan, Malaysia & Bangladesh and yor favorite country China.

“There is no comparable slavery in Pakistan or China”

That’s inacurate. Maybe not Pakistan, since it’s a much smaller country but China, most certainly.

“Finaly if you believe that Sikhs are resilent and have the ability to forgive and forget, then it is noble of them. I could neither forget nor forgive such a crime if committed against my community.”

People of most races, religions, nationalities or ethnicities have faced persecution and/or atrocities at some point in history. As a sikh, yes I’m angry at the perpetrators of the crimes aganist my people but I’m not going to hold all the people of a religion, accountable for the acts of a few evil individuals, just as I don’t hold all muslims accountable for atrocities commited by a few mughals, against our people. Nazis were also responisble for many horrendous crimes against humanity, should we hold all germans accountable for their acts? If all humans would have been incapable of forgiveness, the world would have ended a long time ago.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36816 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:55:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36816 No, I have not been to India and I thank God for this. I have always shied away from countries where Evil is at home and the children of Gandhi and Nehru have been inflicting more unjust and cruel atrocities on its own people than those sustained during colonial days. You try to relatavise everything and justify slavery in India since it occurs in other parts of he world. I have also bserved that you answer questions of others with a set of questions, this is something an Indian specialty not mine. Humility is what humans need and not arrogance and cynicism. I am not a judge nor do I pretend to be a saint, but let no one on this blog point fingers at Pakistan which is going through a difficult period for different reasons. There is no comparable slavery in Pakistan or China. Pakistani Govt is dumb enough to appoint a minority man as a Minister who could not even look after his own security rest alone for the security of the minorities. They appoined a Governor of Punjab who was always absent from his residence in Lahore and was raising questions about the law which he swore to uphold. The nincompup chartered accountant, turned businesman and head of a Provence. Mr Sardari was not able to protect his wife and to expect that Pakistan security is in the hands of the Gillani rif raf troops, this is a joke of the century and should be so recorded in the Guiness book.
Finaly if you believe that Sikhs are resilent and have the ability to forgive and forget, then it is noble of them. I could neither forget nor forgive such a crime if committed against my community. I am a straight forward very weak human.

Rex Minor

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36807 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:18:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36807 “all along I regard sikhs as victims, victim of the Hindu violence, victim of being regarded as a minority and treated as second and third class citizens of India.”

The problem here is, that your assessment about the past, present & future of sikhs in India, is just based on ONE unfortunate incident (1984 anti-sikh riots). As horrendous as that incident was, it was an aberration of sorts as there is no evidence of hindu violence against sikhs before or since that incident. Today, sikhs are settled all over India (not just Punjab) & they are one of the most affluent communities in India, if not the most. Have you ever been to India & if so, when was the last time?

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36804 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:40:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36804 @Mortal1
If you do not understand something, why do you tell us that and ask for explanation.
The answer to your question of sikhs get knocked down in the USA and Canada, is contained in KP statement of March 8, that the sikhs have been attacked for mistaken identity!

Rex Minor

PS all along I regard sikhs as victims, victim of the Hindu violence, victim of being regarded as a minority and treated as second and third class citizens of India. Vicms of heir own irrational decision to align themselves with Hindu majority instead of staying in Punjab wth muslims who have more commonality of cultures, despite many differences. Sikhs have also been in the forefrontto take on the worst from Pakistan, because of the Pakistan Indian relations. Why for Pete sake, why?

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36803 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:24:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36803 @Noblekin

Well said! I would suggest that your opening sentence should exclude the word ‘religion’ and replace it with ‘someone’. The religion is not active but the one who believes in some philosophy should be the addresse. No religion per say issues edicts to kill.

Rex Minor

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By: FarhanQureshi http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36801 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:26:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36801 Wow … people like KP, Parasad and Punjabiyaaar are posing that they are very brainy and that they have a strong grip over the history and current affairs. But that is not the case, you guys are even unable to comment what the topic of the article is.
Coming back to the point, I disgree with Ms. Myra … as according to my point of view, the assassinations of Salman Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti, are the sacrifices infact, and to accomplish something really great sacrifices are the must. More than Salman Tasseer, I consider Shahbaz Bhatti a Shaheeed, as he gave his blood for a bigger cause.
Pakistan is a great nation and we never gave up. We will erase all the evils from our society and we are continounsly working on it and giving our lives for the cause.

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By: NobleKin http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/04/in-pakistan-an-assassination-and-the-death-of-words/comment-page-2/#comment-36728 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:27:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6951#comment-36728 Any religion claiming to act in the name of God while issuing edicts to have its followers kill others not of their faith is absolute evil.

If God has seen fit to create a world of varying interpretations of his existence (or non-existence) so that his creations would use their interpretations to destroy each other, then he is no God worthy of worship. But since this is probably not the case and the Creator would not so engage in such a contradiction to his creations, it is far more likely the Imams that preach the need for such deeds are evil men who understand little of the nature of God.

And if your faith is so weak that you are incapable of living in a world of freedom such that you must create laws that will force conformity to your faith, then you don’t have faith, you have slavery.

Who is the righteous man? The man who lives where unjust laws force conformity to the religion, or the man who conforms to his faith in a world absent unjust religious laws and punishment?

If you need laws to keep your faith, you don’t need your faith.

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