Comments on: From Afghanistan to Libya; rethinking the role of the military http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36802 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:06:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36802 Umair,
You have a limited perception of democracy in Pakistan! Pakistan Democracy has time and again faled to give dignity to the people of Pakistan. Pakistan military were more sensitive to dignity, but also failed after taking the civilian Govt. task of administeration and development of the Nation. Today Pakistan is no different than it was half a century before and the state of limbo has dragged on. India is its enemy No.1, with full diplomatic relations, and the the Americans are there to help maintain the military and provide weaponry, but in real time Pakistan military has never admitted defeat at the hands of Indian miliary, though unconditional surrender is a historical document, no different from the surrender of the Third Reich. Shame on today’s Generals who are visiting Washington and calling on Colin Powel who threatend Musharaf Din the stone age. The General of Ayub’s calibre, who was the first to remove the civilian head and took over the reins of the Govt. could never have stooped down so low that today’s Pakistan has even lost the meaning of the word ‘DIGNITY’. Nor would the military continue to support clandastine operations against India and the Pashtoon Nation, almost half of them live in todays Pakistan and the other half in Afghanistan. Pakistan Govt. today is as unpopular in Afghanistan as it used to be in sixties! What Pakistan needs is the direct democracy for the people, so that legislations are made with people’s participation and not military participation. Pakistan military should be confined to barracks outside the cities.

That Pakistan future still hangs in the middle of Sardari and sharif Bros on one side and the military on the other side which is equivalent to a permanent Babylonian prison.

Rex Minor

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36730 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:11:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36730 Shahidkhan123 said:

> One thing I don’t like about democracy in pakistan is people voting along ethnic or party lines. why not pick the most eligible, honest person? For this, we can only blame ourselves. the other thing i don’t like is our political parties are like family property, they get passed down through generations.

A remarkable paragraph. I only have to replace two words here (Pakistan and ethnic) to form another completely true paragraph:

One thing I don’t like about democracy in India is people voting along caste or party lines. why not pick the most eligible, honest person? For this, we can only blame ourselves. the other thing i don’t like is our political parties are like family property, they get passed down through generations.

We’re more alike than you guys like to admit :-).

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36722 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:56:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36722 W salam Shahid, yes i respect your opinions.

Ganesh/Mortal
Thanks for concern, though i have been busy at work lately, but spring time has arrived and weather is good in Islamabad. :)

As for the military’s role in Pakistan, since civilian democracy is infant. I always argue, democracy under the watchful eyes of the Army is the only option for Pakistan for now. I have yet to see a more patriotic institution in Pakistan than the Pakistan Army. It has given its sweat and blood for the country and earned its respect. For any of its shortcomings, i will choose the army over democracy any day. But the good thing is, the Army in Pakistan now fully supports democracy. Take care everyone.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36719 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:16:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36719 “Considering the recent scandals, perhaps “paying off” is the right term after all”

Good one, Ganesh. Bad choice of words by me. The lack of accountability, of those in power, is astonishing & frustrating at the same time. I can’t wait for the day when such scumbags will be hanged for ripping off a country where hundreds of millions live without the most basic of amenities.

“give me some insider’s information”

I’m afraid, you’re completely on your own on that one!

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36714 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:24:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36714 Typo: “Paistani” should read “Pakistani”

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36713 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:23:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36713 Shahidkhan123 said:

> Umair, AoA. I have to disagree here. A professional army’s job is to protect the country, deter the enemy, retrieve stolen land not run cricket boards.

Good to see some dissent on the role of the military from another Paistani. I was beginning to think all Pakistanis were uncritical worshippers of the army.

Ironically, Umair, it is on account of such dissenting opinions that I would agree with you that there is still hope for Pakistan.

But to your point Shahid, in most other jobs, if someone repeatedly fails to perform an assigned task, they are usually sacked. Since the Pakistan army hasn’t managed to “retrieve stolen land” (a task you believe they are responsible for) in 63 years in spite of various failed attempts, and has in fact lost a significant amount of land in the east thanks to its own genocidal actions, what do you think needs to be done with it?

(I suggest a change of job description to something more realistic and achievable.)

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36712 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:13:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36712 Mortal1 said:

> More than 90% of India’s elected officials are also corrupt & inept clowns but there have been some good ones’ as well & it’s finally paying off.

Considering the recent scandals, perhaps “paying off” is the right term after all ;-).

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36708 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:48:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36708 @Rex minor: As someone, who’s not an Afghan or a Pashtun or even from the region (as you claim), you sure have a lot of authority to speak for the Afghan people.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36707 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:45:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36707 “>>> Believe me you, I would unfurl that turban… shlowly, shlowly.” Posted by shahidkhan123

Would that be, before or after the stripping of your burka?

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/08/from-afghanistan-to-libya-rethinking-the-role-of-the-military/comment-page-1/#comment-36705 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:46:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=6976#comment-36705 Welcome to Afghanistan,
All foreigners will be treated as trespassers and would be shot on sight or taken as hostages and would be set free against a fixed amount to be paid in cash, kaldar not Afghan currency. Afghan currency is for non Pashtoons who happen to be living in Afghanistan but have never proven to be loyal. This is a country of beautiful orchards and valleys where most warriors of the world have found a last resting place. No discrimination! Those who were braver than the Pashtoons went back to their home countries in Greece, Turkey, England, Scotland, Moscow, Petersbarg and the last one virginia, texas, and some to new york, and lastly not to forget some to European countris. The show is coming soon to close, the American military and its leaders have learnt their lessons, never to engage again their military in a muslim land. Any one who would suggest to the USA President to do so needs to have his head examined, says Robert Gates. The American power has had enough of the adventures! Now what was the discussion about India engaging with Afghanistan? Ths is something they love most, people from the past who worship statues and do not believe in God. Had they known this in advance they wuld not have destroyed their Gods in Bhamian?

What India can do is to provide some of the millions of its slaves (Indian labour Minister calls them bonded labour and denies they ae slaves) to cear up the mess the Americans are going to leave.

Rex Minor

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