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	<title>Comments on: Pakistan&#8217;s debate on drones, lifting the secrecy</title>
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		<title>By: faryal</title>
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		<dc:creator>faryal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Friends,
I&#039;ve visited Waziristan (South) in last week, and found a much and more aggression against drone attacks. It is just because of false propaganda by some of political figures who wants to cash themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Friends,<br />
I&#8217;ve visited Waziristan (South) in last week, and found a much and more aggression against drone attacks. It is just because of false propaganda by some of political figures who wants to cash themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Facetruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drone attacks success or failure can not measured unless each victim is identified properly with the help of elders in the targeted area. It may take time and efforts but this excerise will be well worth to prove the concrete evidence in the international court of Crimes agaist Humanity. This will also ensure that controllers of Drone attacks have very serious sense of obligation. Over the years we have seens many photos of womens children and elderly killed in Drone attacks specially when village JIRGAs were targeted. IT seesm that when ever the Droine controllers see a group in the camera they just go wild gungho and fire the missiles with having a second thought that it may a local festive party or dispute settlement JIGA as was the yesterdays case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drone attacks success or failure can not measured unless each victim is identified properly with the help of elders in the targeted area. It may take time and efforts but this excerise will be well worth to prove the concrete evidence in the international court of Crimes agaist Humanity. This will also ensure that controllers of Drone attacks have very serious sense of obligation. Over the years we have seens many photos of womens children and elderly killed in Drone attacks specially when village JIRGAs were targeted. IT seesm that when ever the Droine controllers see a group in the camera they just go wild gungho and fire the missiles with having a second thought that it may a local festive party or dispute settlement JIGA as was the yesterdays case.</p>
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		<title>By: pakistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>pakistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghayoor khan&#039;s statement eminds me of the General who in the colonial days ordered the massacre of Sikhs civilians, men women and children who defied the ban on assembly and were listening to the speech of their leader. Almost no one escaped from the massacre. When asked in the enquiry of this mass murder if in his view women and children were also radical sikhs. His answer was that no one can prove that they were not!!

General Ghayoor sould be put on trial to prove that the ones who died were radicals? I would regard Gen. Ghayoor as radical and coward, no different from his ex Boss Musharaf Din who is having ice cream with Arab asylum seekers on Edgware road in London. We know from history that the British General who ordered the murder of innocents went scot free .

Rex Minor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghayoor khan&#8217;s statement eminds me of the General who in the colonial days ordered the massacre of Sikhs civilians, men women and children who defied the ban on assembly and were listening to the speech of their leader. Almost no one escaped from the massacre. When asked in the enquiry of this mass murder if in his view women and children were also radical sikhs. His answer was that no one can prove that they were not!!</p>
<p>General Ghayoor sould be put on trial to prove that the ones who died were radicals? I would regard Gen. Ghayoor as radical and coward, no different from his ex Boss Musharaf Din who is having ice cream with Arab asylum seekers on Edgware road in London. We know from history that the British General who ordered the murder of innocents went scot free .</p>
<p>Rex Minor</p>
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		<title>By: prasadgc</title>
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		<dc:creator>prasadgc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I saw a response by Shahidkhan123 about Siachen not being a no-man&#039;s land but I can&#039;t find the comment now.

Siachen is nowhere near the Pakistan border but deep inside Kashmir bordering Ladakh. Take a look at any map. Siachen is even further East than Gilgit-Baltistan which Pakistan occupied in 1947-48. It was not possible for Pakistan to take Siachen as part of that assault because it was inaccessible and inhospitable. Therefore it was never Pakistani territory at any time in history. 

Visas to mountaineers: Mountaineers wishing to climb Mt. Everest from the Nepali or the Tibetan side will have to apply for a visa either to Nepal or China, as the case may be. That&#039;s because the *access routes* lie in either country. Issuing of visas can&#039;t be a proof that Mt Everest belongs to one or the other country. In retrospect, it would seem that Pakistan issuing visas to mountaineers was part of the propaganda to establish Pakistani ownership of a no-man&#039;s land. 

Both sides had been trying to take Siachen for a long time. Nature was the bigger enemy because of the extreme conditions and that is what kept it a no-man&#039;s land until 1984. It so happened that India won that race. It&#039;s a stretch to say that India occupied Pakistani territory.

For a mind focused on grievances, it&#039;s of course impossible to take a balanced view.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I saw a response by Shahidkhan123 about Siachen not being a no-man&#8217;s land but I can&#8217;t find the comment now.</p>
<p>Siachen is nowhere near the Pakistan border but deep inside Kashmir bordering Ladakh. Take a look at any map. Siachen is even further East than Gilgit-Baltistan which Pakistan occupied in 1947-48. It was not possible for Pakistan to take Siachen as part of that assault because it was inaccessible and inhospitable. Therefore it was never Pakistani territory at any time in history. </p>
<p>Visas to mountaineers: Mountaineers wishing to climb Mt. Everest from the Nepali or the Tibetan side will have to apply for a visa either to Nepal or China, as the case may be. That&#8217;s because the *access routes* lie in either country. Issuing of visas can&#8217;t be a proof that Mt Everest belongs to one or the other country. In retrospect, it would seem that Pakistan issuing visas to mountaineers was part of the propaganda to establish Pakistani ownership of a no-man&#8217;s land. </p>
<p>Both sides had been trying to take Siachen for a long time. Nature was the bigger enemy because of the extreme conditions and that is what kept it a no-man&#8217;s land until 1984. It so happened that India won that race. It&#8217;s a stretch to say that India occupied Pakistani territory.</p>
<p>For a mind focused on grievances, it&#8217;s of course impossible to take a balanced view.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ganesh Prasad</p>
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		<title>By: KPSingh01</title>
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		<dc:creator>KPSingh01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahidkhan: :That was a nice report. Thanks for sharing. Noted BBC report on the PRESENT situation in India: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm

In your all weather friend China, they eat snakes, lizards and what not. Somehow when they do it, your sycophant instinct prevents you from pointing at that. With world&#039;s population exploding and resources thinning, humans might be forced to eat anything that moves. But you guys have decided to eat grass in order to make a nuclear war head for each citizen of your country. So go on ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahidkhan: :That was a nice report. Thanks for sharing. Noted BBC report on the PRESENT situation in India: <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm</a></p>
<p>In your all weather friend China, they eat snakes, lizards and what not. Somehow when they do it, your sycophant instinct prevents you from pointing at that. With world&#8217;s population exploding and resources thinning, humans might be forced to eat anything that moves. But you guys have decided to eat grass in order to make a nuclear war head for each citizen of your country. So go on ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: prasadgc</title>
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		<dc:creator>prasadgc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahidkhan123 said:

&gt; That was a nice report. Thanks for sharing. Noted BBC report on the PRESENT situation in India: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm

Seems the Indian official is ahead of his time: http://bbc.in/fMquUO

&gt; we represent historical islamic primacy in south asia and the rejection of modern-india.

Why so modest? Islamic primacy in South Asia is not just historical, because 2011 isn&#039;t ancient history either: http://bit.ly/frxHfG

Modern India isn&#039;t the only modern thing being rejected, apparently.

Tell you what. I realise it must be really hard to keep up this schizophrenic act of issuing liberal statements in favour of protection of minorities on the one hand, and upholding Islamic primacy on the other. We won&#039;t mind if you let go one of them. I believe it would be easier to drop the liberal facade.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahidkhan123 said:</p>
<p>> That was a nice report. Thanks for sharing. Noted BBC report on the PRESENT situation in India: <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm</a></p>
<p>Seems the Indian official is ahead of his time: <a href='http://bbc.in/fMquUO'>http://bbc.in/fMquUO</a></p>
<p>> we represent historical islamic primacy in south asia and the rejection of modern-india.</p>
<p>Why so modest? Islamic primacy in South Asia is not just historical, because 2011 isn&#8217;t ancient history either: <a href='http://bit.ly/frxHfG'>http://bit.ly/frxHfG</a></p>
<p>Modern India isn&#8217;t the only modern thing being rejected, apparently.</p>
<p>Tell you what. I realise it must be really hard to keep up this schizophrenic act of issuing liberal statements in favour of protection of minorities on the one hand, and upholding Islamic primacy on the other. We won&#8217;t mind if you let go one of them. I believe it would be easier to drop the liberal facade.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ganesh Prasad</p>
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		<title>By: KPSingh01</title>
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		<dc:creator>KPSingh01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahidkhan: &quot;Inwardly, they hate us because we represent historical islamic primacy in south asia and the rejection of modern-india.&quot;

You not only reject modern India, but also the modern world. And you have what your inner heart desires - radical Islam running through the veins of more and more people. You do not represent Islamic primacy anywhere. We have an equal number of Muslims in our country as well. We do not hate people for being Muslims and that too primate ones at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahidkhan: &#8220;Inwardly, they hate us because we represent historical islamic primacy in south asia and the rejection of modern-india.&#8221;</p>
<p>You not only reject modern India, but also the modern world. And you have what your inner heart desires &#8211; radical Islam running through the veins of more and more people. You do not represent Islamic primacy anywhere. We have an equal number of Muslims in our country as well. We do not hate people for being Muslims and that too primate ones at that.</p>
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		<title>By: KPSingh01</title>
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		<dc:creator>KPSingh01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahidkhan: &quot;I’m shaking in my boots, Sir. When are you coming to collect the arms? Are you going to assign a new caste below untouchables?&quot;

You can surrender if you want. But that was not my point. I was talking about giving up reliance on Jihad based terrorism as a means to try controlling the region. It did not work. Instead of focusing on building the nation, your military tried to destroy its neighbor by using proxy wars. All the energy was spent on supporting Jihad to such an extent that there is nothing left but Mumtaz Qadris and Ajmal Kasabs. It is a result of poor choice in 1989. Since there is nothing else left in your wonderful country other than a military, I am trying to see if there is any hope for a new choice that gives up the old beliefs. This is because this old belief has brought your country to where it is and brought a war right at your border. Militants are blowing people up. This was something your military and countrymen planned for India. But your thick skull did not get the message. You have taken off tangentially as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahidkhan: &#8220;I’m shaking in my boots, Sir. When are you coming to collect the arms? Are you going to assign a new caste below untouchables?&#8221;</p>
<p>You can surrender if you want. But that was not my point. I was talking about giving up reliance on Jihad based terrorism as a means to try controlling the region. It did not work. Instead of focusing on building the nation, your military tried to destroy its neighbor by using proxy wars. All the energy was spent on supporting Jihad to such an extent that there is nothing left but Mumtaz Qadris and Ajmal Kasabs. It is a result of poor choice in 1989. Since there is nothing else left in your wonderful country other than a military, I am trying to see if there is any hope for a new choice that gives up the old beliefs. This is because this old belief has brought your country to where it is and brought a war right at your border. Militants are blowing people up. This was something your military and countrymen planned for India. But your thick skull did not get the message. You have taken off tangentially as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Matrixx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matrixx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 05:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahid
Bro. you are bitingly good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahid<br />
Bro. you are bitingly good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mortal1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortal1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 04:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&quot;&gt;&gt; That was a nice report. Thanks for sharing. Noted BBC report on the PRESENT situation in India: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm&quot;
Posted by shahidkhan123

I wouldn&#039;t say that a 3 year old extraneous news item about a dumb proposal of a sacked official in the poorest Indian state, quite reflects the PRESENT situation in India. But nice try anyways :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@&#8221;>> That was a nice report. Thanks for sharing. Noted BBC report on the PRESENT situation in India: <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm&#8221;'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7557107.stm&#8221;</a><br />
Posted by shahidkhan123</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that a 3 year old extraneous news item about a dumb proposal of a sacked official in the poorest Indian state, quite reflects the PRESENT situation in India. But nice try anyways <img src='http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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