Comments on: Pakistan vs U.S. Dumbing down the drones debate http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37716 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:32:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37716 Bludde: “The United States should simply divorce itself from the region and depart… they have no business in “Muslim” lands…”

The US is in some Muslim lands due to oil. It is in some Muslim lands to save its allies like Israel. It is in some Muslim lands like Af-Pak because of being hurt by Islamic terrorists. They abandoned Af-Pak after defeating the USSR. This was one of the major complaints by many Pakistanis. They wouldn’t have come back here if not for the terrorists who hit them hard. They could care less if anyone else existed.

“and let the chips fall where they may.. undoubtedly Pakistan will default since The Saudi King despises President Zardari and Ghadafi is in no position to assist with money, his oil fields shut and funds frozen.. but then again, reading the above, maybe “dove” MM Singh will come to the rescue with Funds..”

Pakistan is different from its military. Its military is the real nation. The rest is just a skin being used to appear valid. Saudi Arabia deals only with Pak military. They are like their security guards. They’d love to control the Saudis as well. That is why they are protecting Bin Laden. It can come in handy in the future if the odds turn against them. Pakistan always has some chips up its sleeve to counter moves by others, including the US.

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By: Bludde http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37715 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:01:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37715 The United States should simply divorce itself from the region and depart… they have no business in “Muslim” lands… and let the chips fall where they may.. undoubtedly Pakistan will default since The Saudi King despises President Zardari and Ghadafi is in no position to assist with money, his oil fields shut and funds frozen.. but then again, reading the above, maybe “dove” MM Singh will come to the rescue with Funds..

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By: Bludde http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37714 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:01:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37714 The United States should simply divorce itself from the region and depart… they have no business in “Muslim” lands… and let the chips fall where they may.. undoubtedly Pakistan will default since The Saudi King despises President Zardari and Ghadafi is in no position to assist with money, his oil fields shut and funds frozen.. but then again, reading the above, maybe “dove” MM Singh will come to the rescue with Funds..

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37713 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:08:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37713 Mortal: “I have not seen this news confirmed by any major US, international or Pakistani newspapers. We’ll find soon, if it has any merit.”

Looks like it is for real. I saw another item in CNN today.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04  /22/pakistan.drone.strike/index.html?hp t=T2

However, the CNN source is a Pakistani official. The US has not publicly acknowledged the presence of the secret launching base from Pakistan. However, it is an open secret. May be there are more than one location from which drones are being launched.

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37695 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:43:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37695 @Netizen: Stop all this neocon-zionist propaganda. Pakistan is doing just fine. It’s economy, education, internal security, democracy, law & oder, foreign policy etc. are all in good shape & way better than bharat. So just cut it, you brahman, baniya, upper class hindu, you!

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37693 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 23:51:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37693 Matrixx is regurgitating pak hateful lie that Nehru, Patel Co are responsible for partition of Punjab. It is funny they even like Hindutvadis if they support this nonsense more out of hatred for Gandhi, Nehru than for the love of truth.

Here is a (surprisingl) fair minded Pakistani rejecting this posionous nonsense taught in Pakistani schools and which Matrixx has imbibed well.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp  ?page=2010%5C12%5C07%5Cstory_7-12-2010_ pg3_2

ANALYSIS: Pakistan and the dehumanisation of minorities -Ishtiaq Ahmed

Ridiculing Sikhs as simpletons is a prejudice that still survives in Pakistani Punjab, but their leaders proved to be the most farsighted in anticipating the type of Pakistan that would emerge. In the second half of May 1947, the Sikh leaders met Jinnah in Delhi. Jinnah and Liaquat had come fully prepared to convince them to support the Pakistan demand. They told the Sikhs to write down whatever they wanted and it would be granted. The charm offensive, however, was too late in the day.

Earlier, in March 1947, Sikh villages in the Rawalpindi, Attock and Jhelum districts had borne the brunt of mob attacks at the hands of Muslims. At least 2,000 Sikhs lost their lives.

>>>>> No Muslim League leader, including Jinnah, issued a public statement condemning those attacks. I have looked in vain in the two main English-language newspapers of pre-partition Punjab, the Tribune and The Pakistan Times as well as in the Jinnah Papers for any evidence of the condemnation of that outrage. <<<<<<<<

In the event, Hardit Sikh Malik, who acted as the spokesperson for the Sikhs told Jinnah that they could not risk their future on his promises; the day he is gone things would change. He was right.

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37692 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 23:40:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37692 I ‘m sorry about not spelling your name right. I forgot that Indian ruling class sentiments are are sacred never to be violated.

There is an Ajmal Kasab quality to the postings of Matrixx. “Are you a brahman”, “sikh brhaman”, “catholic goddess”. Rotten product of pakistani education system.

Casteism is rampant in Pakistan as I had posted a few weeks ago. Practice of untouchability, brutality shown by upper caste Pakistanis towards lowaer castes has been well documented by UN bodies.

Yet Ajmal Kasab and his fellow Pakistanis had to catch a boat and come to Taj hotel in Mumbai, they had to place the guns on the foreheads of the people and asked them if they were “upper caste” or “lower caste” before shooting them. This after asking muslims to step aside of course.

Matrixx must have won gold medal or something in Pakistan studies.

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37690 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:59:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37690 Matrixx said:

> I ‘m sorry about not spelling your name right. I forgot that Indian ruling class sentiments are are sacred never to be violated.

Of course, this has nothing to do with common courtesy.

The fine balance of prejudice is to hold ridiculous opinions about other people without becoming a laughing stock. Oops.

You’re now in the Rex Minor bin. Adios.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37689 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:09:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37689 @”Finally Pakistan has taken come courage in standing up to the US. I do not know if it is a good sign of things to come or not. But this was the question I asked earlier:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42715278/ns/ world_news-south_and_central_asia/” Posted by KPSingh01

I have not seen this news confirmed by any major US, international or Pakistani newspapers. We’ll find soon, if it has any merit.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/14/pakistan-vs-u-s-dumbing-down-the-drones-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-37688 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:21:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7187#comment-37688 Matrixx: “I see Pakistan taking neutral position till changes stablize.”

The question is whether things will stabilize. American war on terror in Afghanistan has made things unstable in Pakistan. Things have gone from bad to worse. Is there a guarantee that the US will not mess up things for Pakistan more? It has already messed things up. How will stability arise out of all this? The only hope is the continuation of a democratic government till the completion of its term. The US can turn the heat on if it wants. It did in the case of Iran. The only positive side that Iran had was its oil.

What we are concerned about as your neighboring country is the instability that seems to be lurking due to the fall out between the US and Pakistan. This instability is not good for Pakistan as well as all the neighboring countries. Both Pakistan and US are walking into the trap of the fundamentalist groups that have been waiting for an occasion of this kind.

As your neighbor, I wish stability for you guys. It is very important for all of us. (Though I talk tough sometimes, in reality, we all want a Pakistan that is a normal nation, stable and progressive). Hope everything will work out fine. It is not easy to turn against the US and survive, especially when a country is weak in all aspects, other than its military.

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