Comments on: Al Qaeda leader killed in Kunar, Afghanistan’s “safe haven” http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-38218 Sat, 14 May 2011 20:17:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-38218 PS
The question comes to my mind, Mr Musharaf did not have the balls to cofront USA(he denies it) or perhaps out of sincerity towards the death of innocents in NY, does kyani have the balls at all considering that he was appointed by Mr Musharaf?

Rex Minor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-38217 Sat, 14 May 2011 20:03:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-38217 @Umair
Slowly but steadily Pakistan leaders are becoming aware of the continued fall of the Imperial America. The rats are now leaving the sinking ship, is the appropriate historical reference. MR Zardari should stop conning America, he should be satisfied with the ten percent and not one hundred percent.It is not a secret that Mr Karzai is one of the influential Pashtoon leader and for them their family Pashtoons comes first regardless of the fact if they live on the Afghan side or the Pakistan side. Pakistan army mostly made up of non Pashtoons have been shooting in their own feet by intruding into the Pashtoon territory and simply succeded in disturbing the stability of the area, taking heavy casualties.

What the USA has done was, in my opinion, in full collusion with the Pakistan leaders including military and the ISI. The timing of the final act was not revealed to Pakistan and this was shabby and mean. I believe it was at the request of the CIA chief who under clinton failed to hit in Afghanistan Mr Osama with T missiles. Mr Obama did not even trust his wife with this sensible info. The USA is known for this behaviour with its allies during the ww2 campaign. Mr Panela underestimated the sensitivity of the Pakistanis.

The vulgarity that some American public showed at the death of a human is also unprecedented in a christian country. Pakistan leaders have no choice but to change course to regain their dignity. This episode provides them the opportunity to rest its course unless they want to face the all out civil war?

Rex Minor

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By: NobleKin http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37915 Wed, 04 May 2011 23:58:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37915 The duplicitous nature of Pakistani diplomacy and their international ‘intentions’ are dangerous games played in the name of Islam.

And a turn to Communist China will yield what? A surge in dollars and weapons to what end?

The US has not withheld its intentions should terrorists be located…where ever they may be found. Why play such a game?

The US has for a very long time known Pakistan’s ISI are a troop of Islamist snake handlers. And it is likely elements of the Pak army are no different. Tell Pakistan of the kill OBL operation? What a joke.

Pakistan can continue the descent into darkness, or come into the world of the living.

One can only hope they will.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37747 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:52:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37747 Karzai can get dumped by the US if he moves against them. His security is being handled by Americans. All they have to do is withdraw that security and let him face the wolves. It is not possible to go through without the US approval on anything. He is a puppet run by the US. If he has ideas on his own, the US might change things at the top. Asking for relationship with China is the worst approach, especially when the US is involved.

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37745 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:39:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37745 To get fully informed, go to the Wall Street article here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424 052748704729304576287041094035816.html?m od=WSJ_World_LeadStory

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37744 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:19:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37744 There is a news item stating Gilani asks Karzai to dump USA and join China.
This is further proof of delusional thinking of Paks. They are in no position to completely, openly antagonize the West. Switching masters will not help.

Building, establishing a viabl nation state has never been on the agenda of Paks. C. Rajamohan has written an illustrative piece on this attitude.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-me rcenaries/778441/1

‘Pak mercenaries’

Nothing illustrates the difference between the strategic cultures of India and Pakistan than their attitudes towards risk. India would want to avoid any risk in conducting its foreign policy, while Pakistan boldly courts it.

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37743 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:11:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37743 It is an understatement to say Pakistan “might” face financial isolation. It is already there.

PA/ISI have plans for military aggression, sponsoring terroism, etc but ZERO plans for economy and internal anarchy. Both of these will be acclerating and will be feeding on each other.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37741 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:35:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37741 Umairpk: “The US/NATO/ISAF have failed, no one can bail them out, atleast not the Pakistan Army or ISI.”

Why wasn’t this done in 2001? What was different between then and now? Pakistan was in a much better position in 2001 than it is today. There were no suicide bombers blowing people up inside Pakistan, there was no TTP and economy was not this much in shambles. If the decision was made to align with the US then, how does it become beneficial to reject this alignment when Pakistan has been sufficiently weakened. Missiles and strike capability may not mean much. Everything depends upon monetary resources to back up an attack and the retaliation that follows it. The US can fight a war from a distance. It is very clear that they are not capable of winning ground wars. But they can inflict tremendous damage using aerial bombardment. They had the upper hand when they drove Al Qaeda and the Taliban out of Afghanistan by relentless bombing. They pulled all the teeth from Gadaffi by sending in missiles. Even now in Libya, aerial attacks and drones seem to help the rebels. Pakistan cannot look forwards to help from Arab nations now because they all are engaged in their own survival against the rebellion that they are facing. Alignments are changing in the Middle East. Moderate people are gaining an upper hand. If that is the case, a hardcore Islamic revolution in Pakistan may not find much support. And the US can trigger a rebellion inside Pakistan, much like that in Libya and aid the rebels by supporting with aerial attacks. Going head on with the US is not an option. Petraeus is going to head the CIA now and Panetta is taking over from Gates. This will also shift the strategy and might intensify the friction between Pakistan and the US.

From what I have been reading, Pakistan is frustrated because the US has figured out a way to handle the war without relying on the ISI and its network. And Pakistan wants to be the conduit for such operations and they are realizing that the Americans have built a network themselves making reliance on Pakistan irrelevant. This will lead to the net nearing on Pakistan’s militant assets. Hence Pakistan has begun to rebel openly. Obama wants to show results for his reelection. And he might be tightening the screws further. Pakistan might face financial isolation.

Something for your strategists to think about. Jingoism will not get you out of the hole.

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37740 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:38:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37740 As FOB chapman was bombed killing seven CIA agents including the chief of forward operating base in Khost Afghanistan in Dec 2009. CIA suffered its single largest casualty after the Beirut boming almost 25 years back. It bounced back with a campaign of relentless drone strikes in Af-Pak border region.
However, in recent weeks ISI appears to have regained the initiative, shut down and expelled a drone base within Pakistan, curtailed the CIA espionage network. As the end game nears in Afghanistan, Pakistan is increasingly becoming more assertive and appears to take on the US face to face. The recent missile test of NASR also is an indication the country is ready to demonstrate its offensive strike capability.
Time to end funding both sides of the conflict, time to call it a day and go home. Atlest no one can expect ISI to be a sitting duck on its home turf. Better yet, just as Turkey rejected $32 billions and refused to offer bases to US to attack Iraq. Pakistan too should now turn to Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, Malaysia and sort out the Afghan mess. The US/NATO/ISAF have failed, no one can bail them out, atleast not the Pakistan Army or ISI.

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/26/al-qaeda-leader-killed-in-kunar-afghanistans-safe-haven/comment-page-1/#comment-37739 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:06:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7239#comment-37739 Do you sit around looking for ways to pen apologia for the ISI/Pak military points of view?
Posted by SilverSw0rd
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Myra’s writings and Umair’s comments are indistinguishable. Different font sizes help.
There is a competition between them to show who is more loyal to PA/ISI. :-)

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 1/04/26/pakistans_hypocrisy_has_run_its_ course_it_needs_a_new_relationship_with_ us

Pakistan’s hypocrisy has run its course; it needs a new relationship with U.S.
Posted By Thomas E. Ricks Tuesday, April 26, 2011 – 11:08 AM

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