Comments on: China-Pakistan-Afghanistan-building economic ties http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-38183 Fri, 13 May 2011 17:20:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-38183 The current USA administration with the clintonian crowd have committed a blunder in handling the intrusion into Pakistan territory in a shabby manner. Is this the way America treats its allies? Pakistan Govt. should have resigned and General Kyaniin my view has no right any longer to appear in the uniform of a chief. Shame on him and his senior commanders.

I could predict two alternative scenarios;

.The civilian and the military leaders have agreed in secret to keep a low key posture and to retaliate against the USA in a more dramatic and sinister manner than one can imagine,(let us recall the episode of the ruthless murder of French engineers in Karachi).

. The junior military officers would start a coup against the civilian Govt and the senior military commanders and throw out( not only reduce, all CIA functionaries and their staff which is spying on Pakistani Govt. and its citizens.

On the other hand the USA gives the impression to have acted with confidence and appear to know the calibre of the people they are dealing with. The next weeks and months could provide the outcome of the episode.

Rex Minor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-38182 Fri, 13 May 2011 17:20:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-38182 The current USA administration with the clintonian crowd have committed a blunder in handling the intrusion into Pakistan territory in a shabby manner. Is this the way America treats its allies? Pakistan Govt. should have resigned and General Kyaniin my view has no right any longer to appear in the uniform of a chief. Shame on him and his senior commanders.

I could predict two alternative scenarios;

.The civilian and the military leaders have agreed in secret to keep a low key posture and to retaliate against the USA in a more dramatic and sinister manner than one can imagine,(let us recall the episode of the ruthless murder of French engineers in Karachi).

. The junior military officers would start a coup against the civilian Govt and the senior military commanders and throw out( not only reduce, all CIA functionaries and their staff which is spying on Pakistani Govt. and its citizens.

On the other hand the USA gives the impression to have acted with confidence and appear to know the calibre of the people they are dealing with. The next weeks and months could provide the outcome of the episode.

Rex Minor

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By: prasadgc http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-38109 Wed, 11 May 2011 03:13:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-38109 Sensiblepatriot said:

> Can I know the age of people on this forum.

As I mentioned once before on this forum, I was 8 years old during the 1971 war, so you can work out my age from that :-).

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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By: sensiblepatriot http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-38036 Mon, 09 May 2011 12:04:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-38036 I for one don’t believe America would ditch Pakistan, for After the Simmering protests in the Middle East, Pakistan remains the only country in large neighbourhood which can control its population and Even the ever stronger Saudi Arabia looks weaker with Shia revolts believed to be attempted in the Kingdom.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/08/smokers-c orner-not-my-faith-really.html
I always had great respect for Nadeem Paracha and a am a great fan of his writings. In the above article he clearly mentions why Pakistanis behave the way they do. Its almost like a routine formula based emotions that you receive from average pakistani, first delusions of grandeur-chest thumping – victimisation -hope- prophecy which follow with little analysis in their rantings. I assume we are lucky to have people like umair who are atleast a bit more analytical than pakistanis whom I encontered on other forums. I really was pained by the loss of Shoaibo on this forum. we were getting a 2 side perspective of things.

Guys, I Just have an off the topic Question to you guys, if not extremely private Can I know the age of people on this forum. My best guess was we were late 20’s and early 30’s. I am 29. I think umair is much younger though. Sorry for digressing if I am ..!

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By: sensiblepatriot http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-38033 Mon, 09 May 2011 10:12:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-38033 As for our Interests,My view is that we should continue to focus on Nation building be in economic growth or political reforms with the objective of Accountablility and transperancy(Indeed this decade would possibly be defining one at that for India) and continue to support Northern alliance against those Taliban bigots. whether Americans stay or leave, their influence will wane by the day and so we should open a geographical front with Iran to ensure energy supplies from Central Asia. It is increasingly evident that Afghanistan will once again be culturally broken into Pahstun and non-pashutun lands and we should support any regime which is tolerant and not anti-india. That should be our limited objectives towards Afghanistan.

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By: sensiblepatriot http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-38032 Mon, 09 May 2011 09:17:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-38032 With all the Mounting evidence that Pakistan is complicit in harbouring Osama, Many of us here are ignoring the drawdown of American troops in Afghanistan.While the duplicity of Pakistan is known all along, strategic policty decisions are seldom made on truth but are made usually on pragmatism and short term goals.There are two possibilities regarding the ongoing war in Afghanistan. One is that Americans would leave Afghanistan completely (with perhaps little or no security forces on the ground). Or they will remain in fortresses with only ceasefire on combat operations.
Let’s look at the two cases respectively.

1. If Americans are to leave Afghanistan completely (though less likely scenario of the two) and not unlike what they did in the past after the soviet withdrawl, the security establishment wont be too bothered about it. Most of the Aid that is given to pakistan anyway goes to buying Arms and funding terror groups that target India and not feed the teeming millions which KP thinks. The real pressure is from the Starvation of Economic assistance that pakistan gets from International funding agencies like IMF and World bank which the Americans can hold it (based on these lones will credit rating agencies set the level of default risk for a nation). But the complete absence of America in Afghan would amount to Taliban takeover and parellelly a resouce hungry chinese ingress into Afghanistan for its natural and mineral resources whose worth could be trillions of dollars. With Pakistan acting as a chinese client state and facilitator for chinese resouce exploitation in Afghanistan, the profits accrued by such friendship would be more than sufficient to supplement for the lost Aid and monetary support from Intenational funding agencies. It will also open the road for further interference in Cental Asian states through their proxy elements. Pakistan can also limit the influence of a regionally strong Iran with its sunni taliban proxies. It can then resume its terror activities against India to the delight of china,which always wants to keep India in low equilibrium and an exporter of resources for its finished good exports to India. This is the best scenario that Pakistani state is hoping for. This would also amount to Isolation of pakistan from west, more radicalisation of the youth and instability for the country. But it gives great moral success of their whisky-sipping generals of this policy and Pakistan state (establishment) wins this round. Pakistani citizens lose securty and econonomic prospects but We are not talking about pakistani citizens are we?

2.Now if Americans were to settle in Afghanistan (which is a more likely scenario), the Americans would desperately need the support of the Pakistani state for the cessation of hostilities against the American dugouts. The influence of Pakistan is more to create the destabilization of a perfectly good state rather than helping stabilization of its neighbour. The pakistan can play up the fears of the Chinese dominance in the region to the Americans and make them pay more Aid, diplomatic support for Loans from internation agencies and better image globally. The presense of American troops would push the Iran in defensive mode. The Pakistan can resume its terror acts against India knowing fully well that Americans with their supply lines from Pakistan cannot ignore them. This would also amount to Perennial war on pakistan on its Eastern front, more radicalisation of the youth and instability for the country. But it gives great moral success of their whisky-sipping generals of this policy and Pakistan state (establishment) wins this round case too. Pakistani citizens lose securty and econonomic prospects but We are not talking about pakistani citizens are we?

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By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-37974 Sat, 07 May 2011 01:01:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-37974 IMO, going forward, the key to watch is, if Pakistani army starts a (genuine) military operation in North Waziristan. If they do, it would mean that they are ready to redeem themselves & drop the ambiguity regarding terrorism. If not, they are not ready to change.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-37972 Fri, 06 May 2011 19:45:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-37972 Pakistan’s military needs to come to terms with the reality that it cannot go forward with war strategies and proxy war plans. They are desperately trying to twist the settlement in Afghanistan and push the war on terror towards a dead end.

It is time for peace and Pak military has to disband all the terrorist groups and rehabilitate the militants into mainstream. Driven by macho, they have taken their country towards the path of self destruction.

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-37971 Fri, 06 May 2011 19:23:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-37971 They will leave Pakistan to deal with its own militants who are getting frustrated at not being able to do anything.

What do the militants want to do? For that matter what do the terrorists, and their masters- PA/ISI want to do anywhere? Anything constructive?

Only thing they are capable of promoting violence and anarchy, destruction. Inside Pakistan same story. PA has taken the country to ruins and will not let any one else (the civvies) rule and improve things either.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/04/28/china-pakistan-afghanistan-building-economic-ties/comment-page-3/#comment-37969 Fri, 06 May 2011 18:01:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7255#comment-37969 One can clearly see a shift in US approach in Af-Pak after Obama became the President. Their effort is beginning to bear fruit. They have started reducing their intelligence reliance on Pakistan. Earlier the ISI controlled everything and the US relied on the ISI to get its targets hit. This made it difficult for the US because the ISI began to use the targets as bargaining chip to make its objectives thrust into the American plans. Bin Laden’s killing is a clear indication of getting away from that reliance. In fact for the past year, the US has strengthened its spy network inside Pakistan which is becoming independent of the ISI. This puts Pakistan in a very uncomfortable position. The US can track the assets that the ISI is trying to protect for its long term strategy in the region. The US has begun to clip all those assets down one by one and it is very agonizing to the ISI and the military. The US will simply keep be the mission at this scale – use its own network to penetrate and catch/kill militants on its list. It may or may not inform Pakistan about it. And it will deal with Pakistan only on the other matters – logistics of supplies through the Khyber pass, and exerting pressure to prevent any escapades towards India, Kashmir etc. They will leave Pakistan to deal with its own militants who are getting frustrated at not being able to do anything.

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