Comments on: Extracting Pakistan, bin Laden and its US past http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38266 Mon, 16 May 2011 18:07:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38266 It is high time Americans stop the folly of pumping in so much aid money to support Terrorists.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/0 5/16/its-all-your-money-us-aid-pakistan

More than $20 billion has been given to Pakistan since Sept. 11, 2001. President Obama is proposing almost $3 billion in aid for the supposed ally in the War on Terror for fiscal year 2012. That includes:

– $1.6 billion for police and military;

– $150 million for what the State Department calls “good government and democracy building”;

– $122 million for health, AIDS and “family planning”;

– $145 million for education.

The rest goes to economic development and humanitarian assistance.

Despite all of the aid given to Pakistan, polls show the country has a negative view of the U.S. A 2010 BBC poll found that 52 percent of Pakistanis don’t like the U.S. A majority oppose U.S. drone strikes against the Taliban, and the Pakistani Parliament on Saturday

Now with the recent discovery and death of Usama bin Laden, some U.S. lawmakers are questioning why we continue to support the nation that may have harboring the most wanted terrorist.

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher(R-Cal), who serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has introduced a bill to cut off aid completely. Rohrabacher believes the discovery of bin Laden’s compound is proof that Pakistan’s leaders have been enabling al Qaida and the Taliban.

“ They’ve been arming these people to kill our troops,” said Rohrabacher. “They nuzzle up to communist China, they’ve been building nukes at our expense and now we know they have been giving aid and comfort to Usama bin Laden.”

Rohrabacher says continuing to aid Pakistan makes the U.S. look foolish.

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By: brian-decree http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38259 Mon, 16 May 2011 10:02:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38259 As I said… I dont enter into the debate on Kashmir, it’s ridiculous. My views on this could not be more clear, and I have no bias one way or the other.

My views on terrorism couldn’t be more clear either.
As I said, it’s a propaganda concept states use to condemn rebellious minorities.

If you are confused on this, or think I find people dying comical than that merely highlights the fact that your view on terrorism is comical…

You’ve taken the bait.

So tell me, is it: a) the fact that civillians are being blown up that makes terrorism the henous crime it is???

or,

b) the fact that it is being done by a non-state group?

Because if you chose the logical answer (a), then that means that all we find horrendous and offensive about ‘terrorism’, we should find equally horrendous and offensive about any situation a civillian is killed by a bomb.

And when you add up the number of civillians killed by bombs you start to realise that there are much worse things than ‘terrorism’ out there…

007xxx,

Well now that you mention it, yes Pakistanis are better liars than the US. But obviously it’s hard to win a lying contest when you completely change your story 27 times in a week..

I suspect your ability to analyse information impartially has been compromised.

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By: 007XXX http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38230 Sun, 15 May 2011 11:03:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38230 @brian-decree
“the people who investigated the scene of the crime have stated that not a single enemy shot was fired…
Have you just not bothered to find out what investigators uncovered, or are you unwilling to believe it?”

Does the report also not say that the compound was fortified and there were weapons and firearms inside. Are you saying that Pakistanis are better liars than Americans and therefore believe them?? Sorry I cannot.

If party killing most is terrorist then in India/Pakistan its Pakistan by far. People can be given statehood only if both the occupiers agree. Indian foreign ministry has issued a statement to that effect long ago, now where is same will on Pakistan side?? Mr. Rex?? I respect your opinion but choose to disagree with it.

P.S.
Is calling people names simply because they don’t agree with your opinions is what your super advanced humanly religious and moral European civilization all about?? BTW all the world is witnessing the humanity and generosity extended to Greeks by Germans. Thanks to whatever Gods YOU follow that I am not European.

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By: 007XXX http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38229 Sun, 15 May 2011 11:01:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38229 @brian-decree
“the people who investigated the scene of the crime have stated that not a single enemy shot was fired…
Have you just not bothered to find out what investigators uncovered, or are you unwilling to believe it?”

Are you saying that Pakistanis are better liars than Americans and therefore believe them?? Sorry I cannot.

If party killing most is terrorist then in India/Pakistan its Pakistan by far. People can be given statehood only if both the occupiers agree. Indian foreign ministry has issued a statement to that effect long ago, now where is same will on Pak side?? Mr. Rex?? I respect your opinion but choose to disagree with it.

P.S.
Is calling people names simply because they don’t agree with your opinions is what your super advanced humanly religious and moral European civilization all about??

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By: sensiblepatriot http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38214 Sat, 14 May 2011 19:05:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38214 @brian-decree: “I don’t enter into the India/Pakistan debate, I find it ridiculous im afraid… The people living in the disputed territory should have full choice of statehood, full stop”.

That is very disingenuous way of saying. “Damn India/Pakistan, My problems with Terrorism be solved first”.
The roots of terrorism are in Pakistan which bred, nurtured, trained and safeguarded them for the purpose of making “even” with India at any cost with the hope of “killing handful of Indians”, even if it meant radicalizing their country, breeding intolerance and bring down their own state.
Since Pakistan cannot win a conventional war (Except for Rex Minor whose ranting make be believe it can do so), it perfected the art of perpetrating insurgencies at demographically sensitive spots on the Indian sub-continent. When Insurgent groups, whom we would rather call mercenaries, kill the security forces, government officials and other high value targets and melt in the demographically similar populations, its a nightmare for the security agencies to apprehend these terrorist from the homogeneous population.

The security agencies then just had to do the guess work to identifying the supporters of those terrorists, hunt them down and bring them to justice.And mistakes happen and few innocents are arrested. Innocents find themselves in crossfire and terrorists usually use them as human shields. This is where the opportunity lies with the terrorists who threaten the common people not to reveal their hideouts and identities. Caught between security forces and ruthless insurgents, the common people start hating both but can only display their anger against security forces of the democratic Government, which is frightened of the media and wants to safeguard its good image. The idea is to make the government impotent. The terrorists need not bother as their strength depends on the fear they can create among the people.

Over the time, they slowly and forcefully threaten political leaders and penetrate the civil society thoroughly making the insurgency even stronger. And no democratic Government will want to kill and maim people just for the sake of it. This is exactly Indians face in Kashmir (where militants are sent across the border), this is the same scenario what Americans face in Iraq (where Iran is the sponsor) and Afghanistan (where again Pakistan is the sponsor) or Russians in Chechnya and Rex’x friend china which faces the Uighur insurgency.
I cant react to Rex as he is known to be bigot in his own way, who calls Indians names and at the same time has the temerity to say about virtuous European values without realizing that tolerance and respect of other’s ideas is the first and foremost value one should inculcate.
If you still believe terrorism is comic and not serious stuff or has some other cause based on victimization, remember not every poor guy becomes a terrorist and your lack of clarity on such matters make us believe you are either an apologist to terrorism or that fifth columnist.we’d like to see your point though clearly.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38213 Sat, 14 May 2011 17:47:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38213 @brian-decree
You are addressing people who are atleast three hundred years behind in civilisation. This is not their fault, they were colonised for over two hudred years by the Brits. Most of them are catching up but theit intellect and way of life is still not compatable with the European civilisation, which benefitted from the early middle eastern civilistion.
No democracy can survive without the rule of law and is eventualy going to lead to anarchy. I am sure no one with a common sense desires this.

The rule of law has suffered much in the USA under George W and now under Obama, the son of a kenyan muslim, we are witnessing the emergence of the USA quite different from the values we cherish in Europe. Admittedly the parties of the right in Europe are rising once again and this is alarming and the majority do not want the repeat of what happened before the ww2! Obama is unlikely to win the next term with Osama trophy, if the deceased guy was in fact Osama. But the fall of America is unlikely to stop.

Rex Minor

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38191 Sat, 14 May 2011 10:39:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38191 As for the terrorism argument, you have to understand that the way you think of terrorism is comical to those who don’t…
Brian-decree
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Then there is no point for me to continue discussion. It is not “comical” matter for us.

It looks like you are a hard core Jihadi Terrorist sympathizer. In addition to the burden of fighting the terrorists, civilized society has to fight the like of you.

your understanding of IndiaPak is comical. Consistent with your other superficialities.

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By: brian-decree http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38190 Sat, 14 May 2011 08:55:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38190 I don’t enter into the india/pakistan debate, I find it ridiculous im afraid… The people living in the disputed terrotory should have full choice of statehood, full stop.

Problem solved.

As for the terrorism argument, you have to understand that the way you think of terrorism is comical to those who don’t…

Terrorism isn’t something you defeat. It’s a propaganda concept that is unenforcable by any real laws because it is undefinable.

You’ll find that attempts to define ‘terrorism’ recently updated by most western countries all contain a variation of the clause ‘non-government group’, which exempts governments themselves from being able to commit ‘terrorism’, even if they perpetrate the exact same crime.

There is certainly nothing new about their tactics, and if you were to allow extrajudicial killing of people who kill civillians you’d soon find a lot of dead western presidents.

When it comes to blame, I’m a fan of older more simple logic…

The person or party responsible for killing the most civillians is the bigger ‘terrorist’… So in the middle east that would be the US by far, and in Palistine/Israel that would be Israel by far.

Simple, you want to save civillians, stop the person or party killing the most of them, whether you want to call them terrorists or not.

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38189 Sat, 14 May 2011 03:05:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38189 @Brian-decree
Terrorism cannot be defeated by the laws and conventions of civilized society. Their atrocities cannot be proven in the usual sense often. When the strategy of terrorists is to remain nebulous,loose anonymous entities, the counter strategy is to firmly name them.

In India,s neighborhood Pakistan produces several terrorist snakes under different names to send to India. The strategy is deniability. We strictly talk about Lashkar-e-Taiba the jihadi terrorist wing of Pakistan Army. Loose units,loose names don’t matter to us.

About ur other comment, Yes majority of Indians receive the execution of Osama Terrorist with joy only. However, he wasn’t directly involved in terrorism in India.

The anti-India terrorists are comfortably living in Pakistan. As the wikileaks reveals terrorist attacks in India are planned by Pk Army. But paks are the ones bleeding with 1000 cuts. Enjoying what they wished for us.

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By: brian-decree http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/11/extracting-pakistan-bin-laden-and-its-us-past/comment-page-1/#comment-38188 Fri, 13 May 2011 23:34:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7330#comment-38188 For the record though, it’s not a ‘defence’, as you say…

There’s just never been any evidence to proove that Al Queda really exists in a form even close to what the US would have us believe.

It’s just a fact, I mean today we find out the guy was in his underwear when he was executed… what were they saying yesterday, he may have had an explosive vest on??

That’s a pretty elaborate lie!

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