Comments on: U.S.-Pakistan and the phone calls after the bin Laden raid http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38494 Fri, 27 May 2011 08:14:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38494 @Myra
You are a mega classic. Your article and the photo of culprits apparently watching live the murder of an unarmed old man, supposedly the wanted ” Dead or alive” Osama. Future generation children would be asked to identify the leader of the culprits to test their IQ? Brilliant snap, even Sharlack Homes would have failed this test!

Rex Minor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38355 Fri, 20 May 2011 00:27:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38355 PS
The irony is that Pakistan military has been cheated before by India as well as the USA. Remember Pakistan was an ally of the USA in the CENTO act!

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38354 Fri, 20 May 2011 00:24:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38354 KeithZ has comments…..

sorry, the chain of command in Pakistan defence force is known to most countries in the world including India and the USA. This structure is more or less no different than that of the UK setup or for that matter even the USA. Sorry, the comments are erroneous, besides the President in Pakistan is a joke. Apparently, he was informed but preferred to sleep on and the Prime Minister equaly was not in a hurry to call the cabinet meeting. The USA acted as an ally and was supposedly allowed to enter the air space in case of hot pursuits of insurgents. The ally has cheated, plain cheating and this simply demonstrates that Pakistan military chiefs are vulnerable against cheats!!

Rex Minor

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38349 Thu, 19 May 2011 21:58:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38349 The US really missed a chance here to strengthen the democratically elected government of Pakistan. What a tragedy. The very first call should have been Obama to Zardari. And then Biden or Clinton to Gilani and then the military to military contacts. This is a terrible mistake by the US.

Then there’s the errors on the Pakistani side. What contempt by the Pakistan Army and Gilani, not to inform the legitimate head of state about a national security incident in the country. Whatever you think of Zardari, it is utterly inappropriate that he wasn’t informed as soon as possible.

Lastly, the incident highlights the compartmentalized nature of the Pakistani armed forces. The intelligence directorate is allowed to conduct air operations without informing the operations directorate or the air force? Wow. How many other countries operate this way? It’s ridiculous. And the army operations directorate is also allowed autonomous air ops? Seems like the PAF doesn’t have control over the use of airspace by other services. How then can they hope to prevent mishaps or intrusions?

Even if they had detected the Americans, with the chain of command being what it is, they would not have been able to positively assert that the helicopters were not Pakistani. Nor would they have been able to decide how to react to the intrusion. This is why most countries leave a single authority in charge of air operations. Even when deployed in foreign theatres. Other services can conduct air ops, but they can’t doing so without the air component commander’s permission and knowledge. A single authority ensures there’s no issue with airspace deconfliction, flight safety, and air security.

But given the Pakistani mentality, I can’t see this being fixed. Can anybody imagine the Pakistan Army (all directorates) handing over all responsbility for airspace management to the PAF. Yeah right.

Too bad. You can bet that every neighbouring country (not just India) is studying this and making notes of the cracks in Pakistani command and control.

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By: imranahsanmirza http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38328 Thu, 19 May 2011 07:00:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38328 It is well known that for defence matters Pakistani political leaders cannot take quick decisions, it has to be military leaders. Military used politicians to embarras the US. The American raid was indeed a daring effort, bypassing the so called 6th largest nuclear power in the world – who would be soon 4th in few years time. Even if Pak military would have known earlier during raid that it is American incursion, they would have not reacted. It also exposes that Pakistan may take few hours to react to an Indian raid as well. But in such a case Chief of Army may take a unilateral decision to fire nuclear weapons on Indian military and strategic locations. The scenario would leave 1/5th of the world under deathly shadows of nuclear war. Obama’s decision was extraordinary indeed.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38319 Wed, 18 May 2011 23:28:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38319 America has spoken; Pakistan Govt or ISI had no knowledge about Mr Osama- no evidence to show otherwise, says the outgoing USA secretary of defence. Wise man, they are now relying on Mr Osama library. And I thought they wanted from the Pakistan Govt. the names of people who were in contact with Mr Osama during the time when Mr Osama was a good guy fighting the Russians.

It is about time that Pakistan leaders look after their security and not share info which is not in their national interest. In ny event it is abut time that Messrs Zardari and Mr Kyani retire!

Rex Minor

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By: zsoltpapp http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38304 Wed, 18 May 2011 09:47:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38304 While Clemenceau said that “war is too important to be left to the generals”, in this instance, which was a military operation, didn’t it make sense to tell the ISI and military first and the civilian authorities later?

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38292 Tue, 17 May 2011 16:53:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38292 kerry did not visit pakistan to apologize or patch up things, he simply visited to ask for the return of the tail that navy seals left behind. Too bad the chinese have already taken the tail away and now a copy has to be made for face saving exercise.again pakistan leaders have promised something which they cannot deliver. And we are going to watch this drama, being played between the usa and pakistani clowns. i find the usa nightly comedian programs are of more interest than what the usa is playing with their allies.
Rex Minor

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By: punjabiyar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38284 Tue, 17 May 2011 11:33:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38284 —truthtorpedo

Somebody stepped on your tail puppy ?

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By: kc4justice http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/14/u-s-pakistan-and-the-phone-calls-after-the-bin-laden-raid/comment-page-2/#comment-38283 Tue, 17 May 2011 11:27:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7348#comment-38283 @KPSingh, Mortal1 & Netizan: What is wrong with you guys? why do you hate Pakistan so much? Are you guys part an an indian propaganda campaign? its sad to read comments such as the ones you have written, You clearly have no idea and your hearts are filled with Hate and Animosity. I pity you guys, learn to respect and understand the world around you. You guys have made me sick, I know a million indians and they are like brothers to me.. didnt think people like you existed on the net too… Grow up.

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