Comments on: Taliban talks – a necessary but not sufficient condition for peace http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38675 Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:01:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38675 David wright,

I appreciate your controls and automatic filtering process and point allocations. However, this does not seem to be effective for ” NETIZEN”. This blogger does not want to be ignored. Please recheck. Thanks.

Rex Minor

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By: netizen http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38670 Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:41:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38670 @Myra
Can you please block the Islamifascist, jihadi parasite? Thanks.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38621 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 15:23:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38621 @Myra
You are one of the brilliant writers of the region and very generous too in allowing unimpeded access for comments. Unfortunately, too many riff-raffs are being attracted to this blog and instead of commenting on the article, they are putting out derogatery comments about others. Could you therefore possibly style your articles in a way which does not invite disparaging commentry about the countries, or at least intercede with those who break Reuters Blog stated rules. The automatic system to block individual input does not seem to work.Thank you.

Rex Minor

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38614 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:11:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38614 BajaArizona,

Don’t bother with that individual. Debating him is an exercise in frustration. He avoids direct answers, relies solely on his biases, claims expert authority on just about any and every topic and subject. I’ve dealt with some of the world’s foremost experts on the region (like Stephen Cohen, Christine Fair and Lt. Gen Talat Masood for example) and have never heard them claim as much authority as this fellow. He is flat out racist. Not only does he dislike African Americans (what other basis can there be for him sharing the opinion of many a teabagger), but he has also put forward a 21st century equivalent of the Martial Races Theory, professing that the Pashtuns are superior to all the other ethnic groups around them and that they will over-run Pakistan and India. He has also suggested that Pakistan is not a “nation” and lacks a “national” army.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Despite his efforts to pass him self off as some brilliant intellectual who’s above the fray, it’s clear to me, that despite his claims, that Rex Minor has some ties to Pakistan and more specifically to Pashtuns. I will suggest that he’s either a first or second generation Pashtun immigrant living in Germany, with a strong affinity for his fellow Pashtuns at home. Being removed from the motherland, however, and being imbued with all kinds of biases (anti-Western, anti-USA, anti-African American, anti-European, anti-Indian, etc.) he has a rather romantic notion of the life and abilities of the Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

So I strongly suggest that you avoid wasting your time with him. I think I read about 1 in every 10 of his posts. He’s no better than most trolls you find on any other website, on any other topic. I have a more profound respect for other contributors on here, even if I disagree with them.

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By: BajaArizona http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38574 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:33:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38574 @ Rex

I saw your above pious self portrait and I couldn’t help but laugh. In case you need reminder who you are:

You are German. You are bigoted against Americans in general and African Americans in particular.

Anyway, below are examples of your not-racist-at-all musings to me on African Americans as politicians and your sympathy for the “underdog” Iranian government. Yeah, you seem like a really balanced person.

>>. Eventualy the US Congress will have no choice but to impeach the President for the power he granted himself for ordering to kill and hide evidence, without a trial. Th USA congress is slow but not impotent to safguard the inegrity of the Nation by a kenyan immigrant’s son.
…You cannot be against muslims, since the father of your President was a muslim… I have nothing against Iranians whose Govt straightforwardly do not want to have diplomatic relations with the USA. What have you against Iranians? Three afro american came up the ladder in recent times, all of them have proven to be zeroes and let the afro american community down who waited so long for parity with the whites. Collin powel who lied before the world body, Condi Rice who proved to be a disaster in diplomacy and ofcourse the incumbent President who is not more than an imposter and is trying t prove that what george w did, he could do it more professionaly.<<

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38535 Sat, 28 May 2011 18:54:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38535 @SensibleP
Let me announce again that I am not a Pakistani.Somehow I got Pakistan tag with my input and after few attempts to change, I gave up. I now feel comfortable with the name since it is now the target for Indians and the Americans bashing! To be honest I have not got the least interest to feel happy about the misery of Indians, their shortcomings or for that matter of any other country in the world. My sympathies are with the under dog, the victim and not the aggressor, or the arrogant would be aggressor.
In my opinion India has made great progress and there is no reason why in its own time it would not become one of the major economic motor for the world. May critic on any country is usualy related to the short comings of the human side of the world. What the Indian Govt. did against the sikh community and their suppression of kashmiri muslims as well as lack of support for Tamil community in Siri Lanka, in my view did not reflect the shining side of the Indian image in Europe. I am also against Pakistan cavalier campaign of terror in the Pashtoon tribal territory, thereby causing the displacement of millions of citizens within the country.

With regard to you guys, is it fair to use Pakistan blog for expressing out of proportion grievences against Pakistan which are not related to the article. If you want to use uncle Sam strategy relating terror to every thing which is occuring in the world,then I am afraid in my opinion you are simply violating the Reuters standards. I know that Myra is a very talented author and very generous to allow these diversions, but there must be some sort of self control. Sorry I do not need from you info on India short coming or stories which are published in news papers. Live and let live.

Rex Minor

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By: sensiblepatriot http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38506 Fri, 27 May 2011 15:49:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38506 Rex,
I am not disapproving anything that you say about India that its not doing good job regarding slave labour. In fact, I would be happy to provide more aspects where India is doing worse than most other nations,if it could give glee on your face, I will provide you some facts.

1. India has the most poor in the world. As India is second largest country and even if it does an iota worse than china, it will still have world’s largest poor. Happy. I think you understand the statistics. Neverthless, we need to depend on chinese statistics and no independent sources available.

2.India is worst affected in malnutrition and eight of its poorest states are on par or worse than poorest african states. Happy.

3 Indian health system is deplorable and is bottom of the developing countries. Even srilanka has better statistics. Happy.

4.Majority of the population some 650 million on 55% of the population use open places for defecation. Again on par with many african countries.Happy.
If a pakistani is satisfied and extremely jubiliant to find these statistics, I can give him more. But that is not the point is it?
Any sane individual would show sympathy with people or anger for Indian governemnents non-performance in these sectors, but not average pakistani. We seemed to find visible glee on their part. This is a strange behavior since pakistan itself suffers these ills (sometimes worse than India). Pakistan suffers added ills of feudal repression,insecurity (in the form of terrorism) and extreme poverty along with the above mentioned ills.

However it seems average well fed upwardly mobile middle class pakistani is least concerned about it. Indians are extremely ashamed on some of these parameters of Human development Index and consistently tried and improved their numbers like Education, Percapita and poverty statistics.Few corporates may compare it to china but no average Indian does it so during this time of history.

Moreover some statistics like lifespan and gender gap are better for pakistan, India had overtaken Pakistan in child mortality and female mortality and gender equality indices which india was historically lower to pakistan.

My point is, The list of Factors which you see India in bad light are declining and declining fast. Incidentally India has overtaking many of the Indices in which Pakistan was ahead for decades. If you still show contempt that India is worse than China or perhaps norway, it will be so in the foreseeable future. But for a pakistani who is not a delusionist and a true patriot he will realize where his country really finds itself in. This is can known from innumerable articles of dawn or the links we provided in this forum.

No Indian shows these to chide pakistan or just for his contempt for the nation. It is only our anger at the educated paksitanis for their attitude who seems to live in comfort of Indian backwardness rather than their fear of thier country’s state failure.

To sum it all, It was extremely genuine for pakistanis in 60’s,70’s or even 80’s to chid India at its performance but it is no longer so. During those decades pakistan looked respectable and Indians looked fools for sloganeering about democracy and free world.
Now the tables have turned and as every Indicator for India improves over pakistan, Pakistanis will look like even more delusional and disconnected.
Honestly even though we are a little better than you, we are still shameful to find ourselves at bottom of the Index and as remorse then repent then realization and …. then…. change comes in the attitude.
World is waiting for Pakistan establishment for their moment of remorse. Again … The clock is ticking.

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By: sensiblepatriot http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38505 Fri, 27 May 2011 15:48:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38505 Rex,
I am not disapproving anything that you say about India that its not doing good job regarding slave labour. In fact, I would be happy to provide more aspects where India is doing worse than most other nations,if it could give glee on your face, I will provide you some facts.

1. India has the most poor in the world. As India is second largest country and even if it does an iota worse than china, it will still have world’s largest poor. Happy. I think you understand the statistics. Neverthless, we need to depend on chinese statistics and no independent sources available.

2.India is worst affected in malnutrition and eight of its poorest states are on par or worse than poorest african states. Happy.

3 Indian health system is deplorable and is bottom of the developing countries. Even srilanka has better statistics. Happy.

4.Majority of the population some 650 million on 55% of the population use open places for defecation. Again on par with many african countries.Happy.
If a pakistani is satisfied and extremely jubiliant to find these statistics, I can give him more. But that is not the point is it?
Any sane individual would show sympathy with people or anger for Indian governemnents non-performance in these sectors, but not average pakistani. We seemed to find visible glee on their part. This is a strange behavior since pakistan itself suffers these ills (sometimes worse than India). Pakistan suffers added ills of feudal repression,insecurity (in the form of terrorism) and extreme poverty along with the above mentioned ills.

However it seems average well fed upwardly mobile middle class pakistani is least concerned about it. Indians are extremely ashamed on some of these parameters of Human development Index and consistently tried and improved their numbers like Education, Percapita and poverty statistics.Few corporates may compare it to china but no average Indian does it so during this time of history.

Moreover some statistics like lifespan and gender gap are better for pakistan, India had overtaken Pakistan in child mortality and female mortality and gender equality indices which india was historically lower to pakistan.

My point is, The list of Factors which you see India in bad light are declining and declining fast. Incidentally India has overtaking many of the Indices in which Pakistan was ahead for decades. If you still show contempt that India is worse than China or perhaps norway, it will be so in the foreseeable future. But for a pakistani who is not a delusionist and a true patriot he will realize where his country really finds itself in. This is can known from innumerable articles of dawn or the links we provided in this forum.

No Indian shows these to chide pakistan or just for his contempt for the nation. It is only our anger at the educated paksitanis for their attitude who seems to live in comfort of Indian backwardness rather than their fear of thier country’s state failure.

To sum it all, It was extremely genuine for pakistanis in 60’s,70’s or even 80’s to chid India at its performance but it is no longer so. During those decades pakistan looked respectable and Indians looked fools for sloganeering about democracy and free world.
Now the tables have turned and as every Indicator for India improves over pakistan, Pakistanis will look like even more delusional and disconnected.
Honestly even though we are a little better than you, we are still shameful to find ourselves at bottom of the Index and as remorse then repent then realization and …. then…. change comes in the attitude.
World is waiting for Pakistan establishment for their moment of remorse. Again … The clock is ticking.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38501 Fri, 27 May 2011 14:11:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38501 @sensiblepatriot

I miss the days when I got such reports on my desk (though no US No Foreign…since I’m not American)….

In any event, we’ve been studying the rise of extremists in South Punjab, as far back as 2007-2008. The Brits were probably looking at it, even before then. Understandable, given the large numbers of Pakistani-origin migrants in their country.

We’ve even tried talking to the Pakistanis about it. They would just tell us that there’s nothing to worry about. When western analysts bring up the point that a huge chunk of the PA’s recruitment comes from south Punjab, they again deny there’s a problem at all. We know otherwise.

Personally, I think this threat has the potential to eclipse the Pashtun Taliban threat. And I don’t know if the Army will be capable of tackling such a threat, like it did in Swat, Dir, etc. An insurgency in Southern Punjab could break the Army. It’s one thing for Punjabi Jawans to fight Pashtuns. It’s quite another prospect for them to battle their own relatives.

But the head-in-the-sand approach continues. I can only hope that since I’ve changed job that those reports have gotten positive. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

A lot of this information is old hat in the intelligence world.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/20/taliban-talks-a-necessary-but-not-sufficient-condition-for-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-38498 Fri, 27 May 2011 13:45:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7364#comment-38498 PS
Mr Obama would not allow the Indian chief to enter the white house, far slave owners are no longer entitled to enter the current white house.

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