Comments on: U.S.-Pakistan ties and the curse of secrecy http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38615 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:13:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38615 @KPSingh.

In that case, I owe you an apology. Sorry.

/S would help next time. :-)

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38613 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:55:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38613 KeithZ: “Being sensitive to the concerns of Pakistanis, does not automatically (or in any way) entail slagging India, except in your mind…and ironically in the minds of your equally extremist counter-parts in Pakistan.”

What I said was meant to be sarcastic.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38611 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:30:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38611 @KPSingh

A press secretary putting out a news release does not go out of their way to slag a third country. Their job is to get the facts out, with some consideration to how the news will be received among target audiences. That calls for tact and diplomacy, not an effort to slander a third country. It’s rather egregious that you would suggest that.

A press release about something in Pakistan, unless it explicitly involves India, will be centred on Pakistan and the country putting that press release (US, UK, etc.). The target audience for a press release about Osama’s death in Pakistan does not include Indians. It includes Americans (first and foremost), Pakistanis (close second), and then the rest of the world (which includes India in this example) comes after that. No where in there is there any need to slag India. Being sensitive to the concerns of Pakistanis, does not automatically (or in any way) entail slagging India, except in your mind…and ironically in the minds of your equally extremist counter-parts in Pakistan.

And please don’t confuse official releases and official sources (the topic of this discussion) with blogs. In every country, blogs and editorialists often put their own spin on events, often well above and beyond what official statements are made.

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38610 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:55:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38610 KeithZ: “When public affairs officers and civilian PR staff put out press release they have to think of the sensitivies of Pakistanis. ”

Sensitivities can easily be balanced with anything that can hurt Indian sensitivities at the same time. Pakistanis would love to see India also hurt at the same time. A few comments on Kashmir, poverty, caste, Maoists etc always help console Pakistani hearts. If you see blogs in the Guardian, there is not a single article on Pakistan without taking a swipe at India. May be the rest of the Western media can emulate that too.

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38607 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:08:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38607 Myra,

I would surmise that the lack of transparency has more to do with Pakistan and the PA to be more specific. They are obssessed with controlling the news and spin. I would suggest to you and other journalists that the Pentagon, State, and their NATO counterparts would be far more open if they could be assured that the Pakistan Army wouldn’t go nuts at news that could be perceived as embarrassing or if the Pakistani public wasn’t more prone to believe conspiracy theorists before press releases.

This is reality. When public affairs officers and civilian PR staff put out press release they have to think of the sensitivies of Pakistanis.

Why else do you think everybody from Mullen to Clinton make such soothing statments in Pakistan? Do you really believe they don’t get the unvarnished truth at their daily/weekly intelligence briefings? They tell the Pakistanis what they need to hear so that the job can get done. This is how the world works.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38580 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 23:56:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38580 @Cummings

Well said!

Rex Minor

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By: cummings01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38573 Tue, 31 May 2011 23:49:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38573 This is the most corrupt and unpopular government in Pakistan’s history. The husband of the assassinated martyr becomes president not long after her assassination, shedding no tears at her death. Most Pakistanis believe he was behind her assassination. The vast majority of Pakistanis want democracy and the rule of law but the United States keeps preventing this because it fears chaos. Well, what have they got now? It is time for free and fair elections and a new government independent from the military. America needs to get out of Pakistan and Afghanistan because our presence is just making matters worse. Having all those troops in Afghanistan doesn’t help at all. I would tell the Chinese that its up to them to bring stability to the region. I can’t believe American troops are protecting a Chinese copper mine in Afghanistan, a country in China’s back yard. And you have no problem with this?

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By: KPSingh01 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38540 Sun, 29 May 2011 00:09:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38540 Here is an honest piece by a Pakistani. And Pakistanis must chew this and try to become realistic and practical. He has said everything we have been saying all along.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/29/have-we-r eally-seen-the-enemy.html

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By: oredwrestricti http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38537 Sat, 28 May 2011 19:18:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38537 I find this article depicts what is wrong with more than just the US and Pakistan relationship. Our own body of govt in the US treats its citizenry the same way and we wonder why there is discord in the US. This tactic has become the norm, the expected. It is what was behind the Regan arms sales only he was too feeble to hide it properly. As time progresses with any form of hidden agenda, as new blood comes in and takes over, there is an erosion of the restrictions from those who think they are smarter but do not appreciate the subtleties that went before. I sure wish all the veils could be lifted; it’s not like they are fooling anyone anyway. The people know what to do and that’s the reason the governments have to pretend everything is a secret. They just don’t want any interference with their “saving face” but we are so “the king is in his altogether” with everyone standing by pointing out that he has no clothes on.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/05/27/u-s-pakistan-ties-and-the-curse-of-secrecy/comment-page-1/#comment-38531 Sat, 28 May 2011 15:55:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7390#comment-38531 @Umairpk
A good point. However, the situation as a whole now has become very complex. Let us try to break it down in pieces and then a straight forward scenario emerges. The American administration plan is to dig in Pakistan for a long haul and demand from Pakistan civilian and military leaders to play the ball with them since Pakistan is being amply paid for their services.

Nato armies who are also paying Pakistan for services, are being prepared for intervention raids in Pakistan. Mr Zardari and Gen Kyani have a choice to play along or they would not have any prior notification. In the future NATO armies would protect their own convoys along the route from Karachi to Khyber Pass. I know it sounds bizarre.Then read this peace: The German Defense Minister has publicly announced that planned army reforms would be undertaken to make it an intervention army which are likely to undertake special missions in Somalia and Pakistan. The political parties with the exception of the Left party have indicated their support for future missions outside Europe.

How do you get transparency in deals which Messrs Zardari and Kyani are making? The Yemeni Govt. did similar deals and is now facing a chaosin the country.

Rex Minor

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