Pakistan: Now or Never?
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Taliban talks: the new mirage in Afghanistan
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has just said in public what many have been saying for months in private, that the United States is holding talks with the Taliban to try to reach a settlement to the decade-long war in Afghanistan. “Peace talks are going on with the Taliban. The foreign military and especially the United States itself is going ahead with these negotiations,” he said in a speech in Kabul.
We have been hearing reports about these talks for months. In the climate of disinformation that threads through the Afghan war, it is hard to say exactly when they started, but I first heard last November that the Americans had begun direct talks with representatives of the Taliban and if that was correct, they must have begun some time before that.
Such direct talks have long been promoted by many Afghan experts as a necessary but not sufficient condition for a political settlement. While western countries have argued that political reconciliation must be Afghan-led, the Americans are the power-brokers, and unlike the administration in Kabul, the only ones who have the authority to deliver on any concessions agreed in the negotiations.
And the United States has also shifted its position on the Taliban — effectively admitting that the movement can be treated separately from al Qaeda by convincing the U.N. Security Council to split its sanctions list imposing asset freezes and travel restrictions into two.
All that said, there is a danger that the U.S. Taliban talks become the new mirage in Afghanistan by suggesting that a political settlement is on the horizon if only the current strategy is maintained. According to senior diplomats involved in international discussions on Afghanistan, the talks have yet to gain any serious traction. One diplomat said the two sides were still “gauging each other’s temperature”; another said that, “there are no serious load-bearing talks going on.”
And despite U.S. insistence that its military campaign in Afghanistan is — to use its favourite phrases - “turning the corner” or “gaining momentum” – one diplomat suggested that the Taliban’s ambitions were still as high as they had been before Washington sent an extra 30,000 troops.
Unlike the role sketched out for them by western governments in which they would folded into a broader political process, he said the Taliban were still looking for a serious stake in power. Among their ambitions would be for Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to be rehabilitated as “Amir ul-Mu’mineen”, or supreme leader of the faithful, even if not directly running the government - an idea talked about back in early 2010.
A report by Antonio Giustozzi and Christoph Reuter published by the Afghan Analysts Network backs up that assertion that the Taliban’s ambitions remain high. (the full pdf report is here). The report focuses on inroads made by the Taliban in the Afghan north – well beyond their Pashtun heartland in the south.
It argues that the Taliban had been effective in opening their ranks to non-Pashtuns in the north, bringing in ethnic groups like Uzbeks and Tajiks who were traditionally hostile to the Islamist movement when they ruled Afghanistan from 1996-2001.
“The Taliban appear to have a clear strategy aimed at destabilising northern Afghanistan. Moving north, and thereby covering non-Pashtun areas, strengthens their claim to be the legitimate government of Afghanistan and to be fighting for the whole country, not just for an ethnic group or a specific region. The Taliban are not only fighting the Afghan government – they are seeking to replace it with their own administration. This, they do with astonishing effectiveness,” the report says.
The United States is hoping to convince Pakistan to lean on the Taliban, which it says is based in and around the town of Quetta in Baluchistan, to take part in serious negotiations. It also wants the Pakistan Army to push further into the tribal areas bordering eastern Afghanistan to eliminate sanctuaries used both by Afghan insurgents and foreign fighters, including al Qaeda.
Convincing Pakistan to work with the United States on either or both of these objectives has become more difficult after the souring of relations which followed the May 2 raid by U.S. forces who found and killed Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad. But even assuming the two countries manage to repair relations – and both have an interest in a stable Afghanistan – there is another problem.
Pakistan has long complained that even if it were to drive insurgents out of the tribal areas, they would find refuge in eastern Afghanistan, leaving it vulnerable to counter-attack unless the United States military shored up its own presence there.
A report by Gilles Dorronsoro (pdf) paints a gloomy picture of eastern Afghanistan — where U.S. troops have been thinned out in order to allow them to concentrate on population centres in the south. U.S.-led troops in southern Afghanistan, he argues, are fighting the same Taliban that it sees as having a role in a political settlement, while allowing more aggressive players – like the Haqqani network, along with elements from al Qaeda and the Pakistani militant gorup Lashkar-e-Taiba – to thrive in eastern Afghanistan.
“Despite a lack of U.S. interest in these (eastern) regions, their strategic importance is infinitely greater than that of Helmand or even Kandahar.The importance of the Eastern Triangle is due to its location between the capital and the Pakistani insurgent sanctuaries, and its importance in facilitating the passage of insurgents from Pakistan.”
Dorronsoro also notes that many of these eastern Afghan border areas follow a Salafist tradition of Islam – as distinct from the Deobandism followed by the Taliban – giving them an ideological affinity with Salafist groups like al Qaeda and the Lashkar-e-Taiba, and raising the scope for them to become a new sanctuary for international jihadis.
“The final aspect of the insurgency’s actions in the east is the presence of transnational jihadist groups in the border regions. Al Qaeda, in particular, has returned to Afghanistan and is cooperating with the Taliban on individual operations … Lashkar-e-Taiba has long been present in Nuristan and Kunar and,less obviously, in Nangarhar Province, in the district of Khogiani. In any case, the area now represents a rather secure sanctuary capable of welcoming important leaders in the future, which would be a symbolic coup,” he writes.
To sum all that up, despite the intensive counter-insurgency campaign in the Taliban’s heartland in the south, the movement’s demands for political power remain high. The Taliban is increasing its presence in the north. And in the east, international jihadis are carving out a new sanctuary, expanding out from their original bases in the tribal areas of Pakistan. If all those reports prove to be correct, or even some of them, you could argue that the position of the United States and its allies in Afghanistan is getting worse, rather than better, as it prepares to start gradually withdrawing troops.
I first wrote in early 2009 about how regional experts were saying the United States should hold negotiations with the Taliban to reach a political settlement. Many others must have done so before that. Now that the United States has embarked on those talks, rather than asking whether they offer a way out of the war, perhaps we also need to ask another less palatable question. Have they left it too late?
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Those who claim Australia is a racist free paradise might want to ponder about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYnFRXwK cA&feature=related
@Mr patriot
I do not want to be rude, but your point 1 and 2 are pure misconceptions. Western Govts are secular but not their constitutions. Indians were forbidden to stop sending women to death with their husband by the muslim invaders, Islam also stopped the barbaric practices in the middle east and parts of Europe, christian missioneries went across the world including Africa to bring the gospels to the barbarian societies. No western Govt. constitution is secular, they reflect the values imbedded in the Ibrahimic religion. These are basics together with what the Greeks and other European philosophers added to what we regard as values. Though our knowledge begins with experience it does not follow that it arises out of experience. Immanuel Kant in his Critique of Pure Reason, he assertsthat ordering sense-impression into intelligible unities, which,while in themselves cannot be proven we are led to conclude through “pure reason” that intelligible unities such as God, freedom and immortality , do exist, and the formation of such intelligible unities are practical necessities for one’s life. The french revoluion and the American story were good experiences, no more. I understand that Indian Constitution was developed somewhat from the French constitution.
In my view you were the wrong person to get caught in the mud throwing discussion, simply becase you inadvertently quoted your cousin opinions about Australia. Your fellow compatriots, however, sitting in Canada and the USA are obsessed with materialism and therefore neither understood or appreciate the western values which is imbedded in the western culture. Their anger with Australian way of thinking and their life style is distasteful and disgraceful to say the least. My tip for such people is go back to the societies where
they feel at home or integrate, not assimilate by any means but without integration they are unlike to appreciate the benefits they could acquire.
The use of pure logic in your arguments has no logic since most realities do not represent any logic. I fully agree that the economic reality rquires of every Govt. to follow a rational poliy, but are they going to follow what you predict is not guaranteed. Can you offer a logical rationale why America in pursuing a war in Iraq and Afghanstan has turned from being a super power to now a world power and a complete bankrupt treasury. It wento Afghanistan to remove the taliban Govt. and after ten years is desperately trying to bring back the taliban Govt. Can you follow this logic?
Rex Minor
Can we put to bed these arguments?
From where I stand:
-The Aussies have their pride hurt and are lashing out.
-DaraIndia and Prasadgc are the most reasonable posters in the lot.
-kpsingh is well, still reminiscing about the days before the Berlin Wall came down!
You all have different viewpoints and to the extent that any of you really harbour racist sentiments, I suspect none of it is so strong that it could be overcome by a few beers in a bar someday.
When it comes to racism we should really be more concerned about the kind of racists who actually support and propound policies that get people killed. An Aussie being pissed off that Indian cabbie overcharged him is small potatoes compared to say somebody who thinks a certain ethnic group has an inviolable right to dominate any other ethnic group in its vicinity. You all know who I am talking about.
He’s gone on to suggest that Muslims, Jews, Blacks and Asians are communities full of criminals. And then gone on to suggest that for most Indians, Arabs and Jews materialism guides their behaviour. I seem to recall something in my high school history textbooks about the Nazis having similar ideas about Jews. I don’t know about the Aussies, but to me that’s textbook racism and such views, if expressed here in Canada, would have resulted in a severe reprimand in any academic institution or the workplace. Not to mention the outright social rejection for harbouring such views. Yet, the Indians keep attacking the Australians, who seem more concerned about the odd Indian student not fitting in or the cabbie or clerk overcharging him. I’m fairly sure, most Aussies don’t support this individuals take on racism (which he considers wholly justifiable apparently…at least he’s confident enough that such out and out racism won’t get him expelled from these parts).
If you’re going to shoot somebody, aim the weapon at the right person.
And keith,
Talking about the guy who can’t stop talking of Indians, Jews and everyone else being the pits of humanity as compared to followers of his beliefs. But he surely takes the cake when he says Muslims stopped Indians from the inhuman practice of Sutee. Bet he never heard of a Raja Ram Mohan Roy – his misfortune. he never heard of Bangladesh massacres too by residents of the Land of the Pure!
Wise man or ostrich? I know not.
But I bet also he never saw the video of his much beloved, progressive and enlightened Taliban shooting a poor Afghan woman in the head in the middle of a foot ball field in full public view – just a few years ago. Now thats an enlightened society as opposed to the barbaric!
KeithZ: “Can we put to bed these arguments?”
Agreed. I think you triggered this war of words inadvertently and it has snowballed out of control.
However, this is a great example of how emotions can be used as a weapon to divide people. I am not referring to you. You can see that in the sub-continent and elsewhere, the colonial empires played people off each other this way by inserting something that touched raw nerves. The divide of India and Pakistan using a Muslim cause is an example. And it has led to two nuclear armed nations ready to go at each other with everything they have got.
Every individual, every group of people and every nation has a set of raw nerves. Those who can manipulate others know how to touch them and when. One can take a bunch of Sri Lankans and have them choke each others’ throat by triggering the Tamil versus Sinhalese issue. I am sure that is already going on in some other forum.
Heated arguments usually lead to nowhere. But sometimes one gets enough insight of the other side. I know wonderful Australians from my grad school days. I have been to Australia.
A lot of times one finds himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that experience entirely influences his perception of the world around him. And he can be manipulated by groups that can play on his emotions. It is very difficult to control those emotions and see beyond.
Australians may be proud. But they need to learn to respect others. It is not the cabbie that is making them violent. There is something deep seated that is being suppressed by world norms and requirements and it finds ways to vent itself on petty issues like getting disgusted with a cabbie who over charges. Racism today is abhorred and if people carry it in their hearts because they can no longer exercise it freely, they will vent it in many other ways. It will change its shape into xenophobia and will take subtle forms. Only those being affected by it will sense it. People will use any method that is legally possible to vent their suppressed feelings. If it is bottled up for too long, it is bound to explode at some point. This is what we Indians sense about Australians. It is very difficult to quantify it. It is very difficult to prove. But one can sense it in ways it is being vented. The US probably was like this in the 1950s and 60s. Today it is transformed well. Yet there are pockets where it still exists and can coalesce into something large. Right now Americans do not like Hispanics proliferating and multiplying. They have their own issue and states like Arizona have made their own immigration laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jnfg9i4I sE
Small issues can trigger major violence or even revolutions. That is how the Arab Spring started. It started in Tunisia when a small individual decided to resist and fight for justice. It just cascaded and turned into a deluge that has swept across most of the Arab world. This means that the people there have been holding it all these years. All it took was a tiny pop and it simply burst. The reason why I watch emotional sentiments expressed by many is because it is all the result of suppressing and holding inner feelings of prejudice, revenge, injustice etc over generations. Small incidents can sometimes trigger them and things can go out of control from there. You saw a mini-brawl right here when you made an innocent mention that led to unintended consequences.
People are nice and polite in general. But they are holding a lot of emotional baggage inside. This episode of Indians versus Australians in a neutral ground (forum for Pakistani issues), triggered by a Canadian with no ulterior intentions is a classic example. I do not know how many made this observation while engaging in the brawl.
Talking about Berlin wall, I think the cold war was better than the wars we are seeing today. It was somehow in control and struck a balance. The current war, combined with economic decline and global frustration is entirely out of control. None of us know where this is going to lead to. These kinds of wars never end. They keep fuming and burst into flames when opportune times arise. I am sure there are many still preserving the memories of the crusade. With religion becoming a weapon, one never knows, the world might see yet another crusade that can be utterly disastrous.
The world is not perfect. But hopefully we will make more progress through further interactions and improving our awareness of others’ sentiments.
Coming to your main point Keith about aiming at the right person – the enlightened woman emancipator. You have a point, but there’s only so much one can discuss with a blank wall.
The aiming is not at fault. We don’t press the trigger – just the ignore button!
I agree with Keith. It’s time to put this futile argument to bed. It’s doing nothing more than provide waste crumbs for the one rodent in here (we all know who), who feeds on such nuisance value.
Not exactly an eye-opener but something to get back on topic:
http://nyti.ms/kyvPg6
The spat reminded me of this very popular youtube channel that I found funny and used to watch regularly. http://www.youtube.com/user/communitycha nnel#p/search/1/ivkw27k9J0c
I also recently found this Hindi YT channel(ChauthiDuniya) that I believe might be of interest to somebody here: http://www.youtube.com/chauthiduniya#p/u /9/UF0VXN8a3nE