Comments on: Trusting the masses: US tiptoes into democracy in Pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39842 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:42:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39842 Sal20111

You are talking about Saudi Arabia, what about Saudi Arabia? They are living a luxury life, among all saudis more than 80% are earning 145 thousand riyals per year, plus all the benefits their kingdom offers them, why the world is thinking they are a slave nation and unhappy, they dont have to worry about anything, their kingdom is developing them, i know its slow but it is there. What democratic govts do, as soon as they are elected they starts to benefit their supporters and then after mid term they do everything that benefits the next election. Why the world is too much after democracy, I am with every such system which benefits the people more than the political workers and supporters. If a person is a doctor or engineer and is not into politics, he wont be a beneficiary in democratic system. No one will talk about an accountant or a student working at the store. We should focus on the benefit of masses rather than some rats lobbying, and overtaking the govts.

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By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39841 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:42:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39841 Sal20111

You are talking about Saudi Arabia, what about Saudi Arabia? They are living a luxury life, among all saudis more than 80% are earning 145 thousand riyals per year, plus all the benefits their kingdom offers them, why the world is thinking they are a slave nation and unhappy, they dont have to worry about anything, their kingdom is developing them, i know its slow but it is there. What democratic govts do, as soon as they are elected they starts to benefit their supporters and then after mid term they do everything that benefits the next election. Why the world is too much after democracy, I am with every such system which benefits the people more than the political workers and supporters. If a person is a doctor or engineer and is not into politics, he wont be a beneficiary in democratic system. No one will talk about an accountant or a student working at the store. We should focus on the benefit of masses rather than some rats lobbying, and overtaking the govts.

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By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39840 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:42:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39840 Sal20111

You are talking about Saudi Arabia, what about Saudi Arabia? They are living a luxury life, among all saudis more than 80% are earning 145 thousand riyals per year, plus all the benefits their kingdom offers them, why the world is thinking they are a slave nation and unhappy, they dont have to worry about anything, their kingdom is developing them, i know its slow but it is there. What democratic govts do, as soon as they are elected they starts to benefit their supporters and then after mid term they do everything that benefits the next election. Why the world is too much after democracy, I am with every such system which benefits the people more than the political workers and supporters. If a person is a doctor or engineer and is not into politics, he wont be a beneficiary in democratic system. No one will talk about an accountant or a student working at the store. We should focus on the benefit of masses rather than some rats lobbying, and overtaking the govts.

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By: Sal20111 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39837 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:49:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39837 The US has problems with the govts not the people? What about Pinochet and Chile or the Saud dynasty and Saudi (sic) Arabia now? The US problem has been short-term power-focused relationships, not supporting the right leaders and environments in countries for the long run. That just might be the nature of the beast of how the current political system works. We’re dead in the long run, so get away with what you can now, and let others worry about the consequences later.

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By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39738 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 08:15:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39738 whatever the senario is, the sub-continent is a blessed region with ideal climate, resources, people and man power, intelligence, genetic makeup and everything. The only thing the india and pakistan need is a little oblivion. These two countries are not buring the hatchet. This century is the era of revolutions. People of both these countries had suffered enough with the curropt politics, greater foreign influence, the huge military spendings and poor health care. By the end of 2000s both these countries knew the reason of their stagnant economy. Both were about to change their policies when 9/11 happened and Pakistan was again dragged to an endless war, on the other hand india chose a right path towards development. Now after a decade Pakistan is finding a way out of these wars to do a fresh start. My hopes and prayers are with my country as i have seen enough bloodshed all my childhood, and now i dont want to spoil my 20s. I would support whoever can lead us to betterment, be it the army or the democratic government.

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By: True.North. http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39716 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:15:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39716 It’s simply a challenge to deal with the civilians in Pakistan. It’s not that the Americans like dealing with the Army. They don’t. It’s that they are most comfortable dealing with the Army. Believe me there’s lots of internal criticism on that laziness.

The US will continue to deal with the PA. However, now that Libya and Iraq are wrapped up, the entire focus of the US DoD will be Afghanistan and more precisely Pakistan. As part of this, the Americans will craft a strategy to deal with the PA. And once they’re out of Afghanistan, you can expect a far harsher tone. And a stricter preference for civilian politicians.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39715 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:50:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39715 @Matrix

We do not have a banking crisis but a crisis of democratic Govts. who have been spending beyond their income and some are in debt in excess of their annual GDP. Besides the speculative economy is now far in excess of the real economy. This needs to be brought under control. Unless some order is restored , the capitalist system is unlikely to function smoothly.

EU is made up of 27 countries, each being fully independent running their economies including those who have a Euro as a single currency. German Govt. efforts are to support the Euro and this requires regulations and more controls. Those banks who have been having a free ride, distributing profits to share holders but socialising losses cannot continue further.

Despite the fact that certain European Govts are now dysfunctional and living on borrowed time though insolvent, EU as a whole is unlikely to go down as long as the German Govt refuses to follow the path of the USA treasury to keep on printing dollars to keep up with their payments inland. In comparison Pakistan is a rich country with its resources and unexploited potential. Pakistan needs to open up; there is a flood of unused capital around and investors are too eager to diversify their holdings.

Regards,

Rex Minor

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39714 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:13:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39714 @Rex you have some good down to earth ideas and I appreciate that.
I’m afraid that global banking crises is not going to be resolved easily and EU will go down with it. This is not the time for any country to make big commitments. This is a period of consolidation. More crises down the road.
Regards.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39712 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:01:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39712 @Matrix
I got your views now and fully agree with them. You reason with logic and in my experience logic plays a very limited role in real life.In my opinion there are always consequences for Govts and individuals who commit atrocities in some form or other against their citizens. The european economic order and democracy is more or less based on a social market system and is different from that of the USA. This does not however mean that the emerging economies such as that of China and India need to follow it to improve the living standard of their people. Pakistan has 180 million people more than twice the polpulation of Germany and they could very well follow its example. The stegnth of Germany is its people, used to hard work and innovations with complete solidarity with one another. The current Govt. is now extending it to other European countries turning the European Union to a transfer Union, the stronger to assist the weaker. Almost impossible for many to imagine; and is based on a simple principle that we need one another to survive and prosper.
Believe me there are no short cuts; things take their own time. History is nothing but the story of the time! Europe has seen more sufferings and deads than any othr cntinent and this is in the psyche of the people. Democratically elected Govts here are no different than those in non european countrie; Once elected they do not reflect the will of people and execise their power in a so called geopolitical style as well. People are however allowed to demonstrate, protest and blocaade the Govts when no action is taken or eversed. What the Germans can achieve can be followed by the french and the Italians and the Brits and Greeks, but this does not happen since the Italians and the french two hours for his lunch whereas the German is allowed thirty minutes for his lunch break! I wish that the Americans would allow Pakistan democracy to function simply to avoid violence not sreading across its borders. I can assure you that for people in the north it is far easier to reach Lahore and New delhi than to reach further north of Afghanistan, forcing both India and Pakistan shooting at each other with fire balls that they have hitherto used for testing and as a deterrance.
Have a nice day sir.

Rex Minor

Ps
Paistan engineers and science students and scholars need a basic healthy common sense to understand the so called most complex technologies and for investment the European future now depends on chinese investments. China is looing all over to unload its american pesos!

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/10/20/trusting-the-masses-us-tiptoes-into-democracy-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-39710 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:52:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=7878#comment-39710 @Rex
Let me further explain what I said in previous post:

1. MAD is an old acronym for Mutual Assured Destruction by using nukes. This is the reason that nuclear states do not fight each other directly and use other means like proxies to continue with their conflict.
2. When I say “India is allergic to referendum”, it sure contradicts with the democratic claims. Democratic India can not explain the mass grave recently discovered in Kashmir, thousands of missing and hundreds of thousands murdered.
There are dozens of insurgencies going on in India which should not be happening in a democratic state. I would let some Indian intellectual explain it.

When I talk about solution to Kashmir, I’m looking at what is feasible right now. Full autonomy and condominium for Kashmir allows India to save face. In longer run it would be people of Kashmir in driver seat.

3. I agree with you regarding solar and other sources of energy. Using those requires higher level technology, skills, organization and capital. All those things can be acquired but it requires time and commitment. If Pakistan had the capabilities of Germany, there would no problem. Germany is doing good but EU financial scam could also ruin Germany.
I’m watching the progress on Iran gas project which the most important short term solution to energy shortage in Pakistan.
I have my views on social change and how it occurs, a complex subject. I leave it for some other time.

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