Comments on: In optimism over India-Pakistan trade, a warning flag http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: maGiK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41046 Wed, 23 May 2012 20:19:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41046 @Rex,

Yes, if that could help adding (on your CV) an additional qualification as Astrologer.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41044 Wed, 23 May 2012 19:31:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41044 @maGIK

Sory, my reply got deleated. Last reports say that the Russian sumarines were located north of the North pole.

Rex Minor

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By: kEiThZ http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41033 Wed, 23 May 2012 17:41:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41033 Pakistan is in no position to negotiate. It’s as simple as that. US aid is drying up. The global economy is circling the rim. And the Chinese are being threatened with a severe slowdown. There is no white knight on the horizon for Pakistan.

So they’ll actually have to do what most countries do to get by. They’ll have to trade.

They are fortunate enough to have one of the world’s biggest markets next door. They can take advantage of it. Or starve. Simple as that.

As for concessions on territorial disputes. I don’t see it happening. The Indians would be stupid to cave now. Give in to Pakistan when it’s Pakistan that needs trade? Nope, they won’t. And once the trade starts, Pakistan loses all leverage, if it had any. Loss of trade will always hurt Pakistan more than India.

Undoubtedly, the Pakistanis will always resent the position they are in. But they made their bed. Now they’ll have to lie in it.

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By: maGiK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41012 Tue, 22 May 2012 14:28:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41012 @Rex,

Ha, I’ve bumped on to the right person then.

A question has been nagging me and Steven Hawking (‘A Brief History of Time’ fame) and I’m checking if you got an answer. As you happen to be a man of science and a believer too. Read below.

“What lies north of North pole?”

Thank you.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41011 Tue, 22 May 2012 13:57:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41011 maGiK,
All along you were talking to a man of science, who also happens to believe in God!

Good luck.

Rex Minor

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By: maGiK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41007 Tue, 22 May 2012 09:11:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41007 //No religion is not going to die but mankind shall get closer to God the creator of the world, who controls its destiny.//

@Rex, I appreciate your spirited defense of religion and mankind’s (never ending) journey towards god.

Let me take a short-cut to science, grow more trees and help restoring the fast-depleting Ozone layer up in the sky.

For that’s the CLOSEST man should travel to in order to take his daily ration of oxygen.

All the best.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-41005 Tue, 22 May 2012 07:51:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-41005 @maGiK

Your prophecy about religion is a denial of the knowledge which enlightened the mankind throughout the world, judaism, christianity and Islam is the reality and those you refer to are dead a long time ago and are likely to stay dead for a long time. Human rights are derived from the scriptures and science is now on course to explain in detail with their exeriences currently in progress at CERN, Switzerland to the coming generations, how the world came into being. Remember, science has never been static and is to continue the update in coming centuries. No religion is not going to die but mankind shall get closer to God the creator of the world, who controls its destiny.

Rex Minor

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By: maGiK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-40966 Sun, 20 May 2012 16:01:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-40966 @Rex, let me add to what you said about ‘people need Aufklarung’.

“Enlightenment was a desire for human affairs to be guided by rationality rather than by faith, superstition, or revelation; a belief in the power of human reason to change society and liberate the individual from the restraints of custom or arbitrary authority; all backed up by a world view increasingly validated by science rather than by religion or tradition”. – Dorinda Outram

Immanuel Kant too subscribes almost to what Outram said about 18th Century Enlightenment. I’m afraid there isn’t place for religion in the Enlightenment school, let alone someone (a religiously-enlightened perhaps) waging a last minute battle to ‘reinvent’ religion.

Religion will die a ‘natural’ death. Don’t worry too much.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-40965 Sun, 20 May 2012 15:12:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-40965 maGik,

Voltaire was a controvertial individual. Was he a racialist and antisemit? He was anti-church but not anti religion per say. Judaism and Islam do not have church like institutions per say. People need Aufklarung, Voltaire was helpful, but should not try to reinvent religion. This battle was decided a thousand years ago and in the subsequent crusades. Let the people follow their culture, traditions and customs as long as they do not impact others who are not believers and do not believe in them. There is no such thing as bind faith; most people believe in their respective religions since they regard them as good. There is no politics or deceit involved in their attitude.

Re Minor

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By: maGiK http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/13/in-optimism-over-india-pakistan-trade-a-warning-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-40947 Sat, 19 May 2012 18:44:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8794#comment-40947 @Rex, well yes. I agree to what you said about Immanuel Kant. I believe the German philosopher was right when he said religion as a follow up to belief in god was natural.

But I belong to Voltaire school of thought; ‘if god didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent Him’.

I and Kant however have much in common as we (both) argue against the efforts by majority of religions in present day world to please god in ways other than conscientious adherence to principles of moral rightness such as horrible rituals, superstitions and dogmas.

I don’t argue against god either on empirical or non-empirical grounds. But I step out to question people’s blind faith in Him.

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