Comments on: For a fistful of dollars, America and Pakistan wrangle http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41163 Sat, 26 May 2012 22:42:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41163 @Umair
The USA will be more than willing to pay Mr Zardari even $10,000 a truck to use the Pakistan highways. The USA does no longer want the supply route, but the escape route to pull out more than100,000 marines with their equipment with the proviso that Pakistan military provides the security!

The world is about to see the repeat of the Vietnam syndrom. Frane does not want to be part of this fiasco, and are puling out pronto!

Re Minor

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By: True.North. http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41101 Fri, 25 May 2012 01:57:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41101 Umair,

One more thing. All those nukes and ballistic missile capabilities…

I’m curious why they couldn’t stop a half dozen Blackhawks from taking out a high-value Pakistani asset a few blocks from the PMA?

Oh, and can you please let us know when they take down a drone? I thought you guys were all upset about the drone attacks. All those nukes and a BMD system and you can’t stop a 19-year old kid who cut his chops playing xBox from taking out a target, sitting at a workstation in Virginia?

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By: True.North. http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41100 Fri, 25 May 2012 01:50:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41100 Ah Umair,

Good ol’ Umair. You still don’t get it. Your nukes are irrelevant. Their only use is as an asset that you can proliferate to get hard currency.

You still don’t get what I said. I have always said that the West will not need to fire a single shot to destroy Pakistan. They merely have to stop the pogey to you. If Zardari demands $10 000 per truck, no big deal, the supplies will go through the North.

As for the “humiliating defeat” that you and your other mentally ill fellow travellers (like our chotu malik here) keep pining for….not going to happen. The absolute worst case scenario when the West leaves is civil war in Afghanistan. Soooo basically, it’ll be exactly what it’s always been….some humiliating defeat. That’s bad for Afghans. But it’s cheap for us. At a few billion a year (shared by all of NATO), it’ll be a pretty cheap war to run. The West could run this for generations. Now tell me, does Pakistan have the funds to keep the Taliban going without US aid? All while still obsessing over an economically strong India that is growing at about ten times the rate of Pakistan in absolute terms? Oh and don’t forget, there’s still problems in Balochistan, FATA, Khyber Pakhtunwa, etc. They cost money too. And those tens of millions of poor Punjabis and Sindhis, they kinda get upset when they don’t get fed either.

Nobody is going to attack Pakistan. Don’t worry about it. Your generals will hand over the nukes themselves the minute that they are told their houses and bank accounts in the UK, US, Canada, Europe are getting seized. LOL. You really think they care that much about Pakistan. Heck, the way they drink, most of them barely care about Islam. Every senior Pakistani officer I have ever met has a retirement plan that involves a flat in London or a house in Virginia. If the actually cared, your country might have higher literacy, higher life expectancy, a better economy, etc. Like I said, stay intransigent and we’ll soon find out if Pakistanis actually mean what they say whey they talk about eating grass. If you have ever left your air conditioned flat in Pindi, that’s actually a scenario many Pakistanis face right now. We’ll see how tough you are when there’s no roti on your plate.

Remember the 90s when Pakistan was so desperate for hard currency that they had to fire up the AQ Khan network? Well this time nobody is going to turn a blind eye like the Americans did the last time (upsetting not just India….but also the rest of the West). Well this time, most Pakistanis won’t be getting visas to go anywhere. And no sane company with even an inkling of intellectual property will hire a Pakistani…two generation removed. Indians can work at NASA on fellowships. Pakistanis won’t be allowed to clean a bathroom with a two block radius of any official building in the West.

I have a Pakistani-Canadian friend who I serve with, who lost his security clearance for 6 months. He was born and raised in Canada. Too bad his parents were from Peshawar. Thankfully for him, the Base Commander intervened to get it back. His offence? He’s a dental officer and he spends two weeks of his vacation every year doing free dental work for poor kids in Peshawar. He’s barely Pakistani. Speaks broken urdu, eat’s rotis and Qeemah regularly. That’s about it. But the mere act of going to Peshawar every year red flagged him. He’s learned his lesson. Hasn’t been back to Pakistan since. Poor kids. He is the best dentist I know. So you see, Pakistanis, even wealthy chubby ones like yourself who sit in air conditioned flats eating halwa and jelabis while trying to act all patriotic (your life is nothing like the average Pakistani) claiming you are enlightened and moderate are persona non grata in most of the West…really the world (nobody wants to import extremism either). Get used to the idea. Pakistan is going to be North Korea soon enough. Kim Jong Il starved a million of his own. I wonder how many Pakistanis the Pakistan Army is willing to sacrifice. I suggest you start taste testing grass now.

I’m sure you’ll have some moment of schadenfreud when NATO leaves Afghanistan. Enjoy it. The day after that your struggles will begin. No more US aid. No more preferential treatment on trade deals. And nobody will have to pretend that we have to “balance” India and Pakistan relations (like we actually mean it). The West will write off Pakistan as the third world backwater that it is (the Somalia of South Asia) and they’ll trade with India and sell India whatever they want. And the Chinese? They might sell you all their second hand hardware (you Pakistanis are used to hand-me downs), but they won’t give you anything for free or give you free money (all that hubub about US conditions for aid will seem like a dream). And they won’t tolerate Pakistani Generals padding Swiss or Cayman bank accounts either. Nor will they won’t tolerate you attacking one of their biggest emerging markets: India.

So to sum up. No “humiliating” defeat unless you think civil war in Afghanistan that might destabilize Pakistan too is some big defeat for the US. They got Bin Laden and are wrapping up AQ. International isolation for Pakistan. Severe economic consequences for Pakistan. The US? They get to save billions on the war in Afghanistan and aid to Pakistan. It will help them focus domestically and they’ll balance the books pretty quickly. Some “humiliation”.

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By: AlaskaEagle http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41099 Thu, 24 May 2012 21:25:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41099 Pak threat with Nukes in a multi-polar nuke world is very different from a nuke threat in a bi-polar US-USSR cold-war Era. If Pak/any country nukes any other country, the aggressor will be annihilated. In the worst case, if US pak/any country nukes US first, US has a well-defined, organized, and disciplined mechanism to clean up. But, that that aggressor will be annihilated. Keep in mind that US is the only country with Fusion Nukes that are 1000 times more powerful than Fission Nukes. Fusion Nuking and annihilating a small country lets say like Pak – may finally boil down to a max of 10bombs/10 fighter-jets-trips which should be a piece of cake for Af-Iraq exp. pilots.

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41063 Thu, 24 May 2012 04:21:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41063 *And if you think US can attack Pakistan, remember Pakistan has both nukes and a ballistic missile capability. Have a nice evening.

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41062 Thu, 24 May 2012 04:19:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41062 Keith:
The US deserves nothing less than a humiliating defeat in afghanistan and a bloody nose, be ready for it. Even $5000 per truck will not save you now. Its over. And if you think US c

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41061 Thu, 24 May 2012 04:19:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41061 Keith:
The US deserves nothing less than a humiliating defeat in afghanistan and a bloody nose, be ready for it. Even $5000 per truck will not save you now. Its over. And if you think US c

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By: Umairpk http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41059 Thu, 24 May 2012 04:09:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41059 History will repeat itself, the Afghan resistance with covert Pakistani support will defeat the US. Another super power will withdraw after 11 years of futile war. From here on, Pakistan must not step back, rather charge above US$10K for every container shipment. Lets see if the dogs are willing to pay us $10K/container or continue to route supplies from the north.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41042 Wed, 23 May 2012 19:24:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41042 @Facetruth,

Hilary clinton is simply reminding the Pakistan President about the Pakistani mangoes which were promised to her in her last visit and which she has not yet been received by her.

Rex Minor

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/22/for-a-fistful-of-dollars-america-and-pakistan-wrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-41041 Wed, 23 May 2012 19:19:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8814#comment-41041 The talibans are also planning to send their main delegation to Alcapone city to thank the yanks for their combat mission in Afghanistan, including their marines actualy pinkling on dead bodies.

No other uniformed soldier has ever stooped this low. The talibans are no loger proud of defeating such type of uniformed soldiers.

Rex Minor

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