Comments on: What happened to the rule of law? US, Pakistan and Doctor Afridi http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41408 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:15:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41408 No, we have not forgotten history but thought that the dmons of wars are over! You are still out there and have forgotten how the japanese treated the allied forces, and later to avoid such cruelties Geneva conventions were established.

Rex Minor

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By: lexus http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41394 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:09:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41394 The entire debate about legalities is ridiculous. Law does not realistically apply in war because the agressor always ignores it, and this is war, not crime. The AQ may be called “terrorists”, but that’s only because they are a mobile nation-state, not a land-based nation-state, and they do have their own organized government. This is WAR, not CRIME, and is being fought with military weapons and tactics, not a series of street muggings, burglaries or random homicides, and as such is not an activity subject to civilian police arrest and a fair trial. Apparently a lot of supposedly intelligent people haven’t yet woken up.

The opening salvos in this war were the attacks on the USS Cole and Kenya consulate, and these were handled quite gently. The real kicker came with 9/11, which was certainly equivalent in its ferocity and effect to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, when as I remember it, (I was alive at the time) nobody disputed that as an act of war. War is an all-or-nothing effort by large numbers of combatants to achieve power, not a gang of criminals trying to make money illegally. As such it is a no-holds-barred effort and to argue that “we don’t want to be like them” condemns you to destruction. Remember WWII when Chamberlain proclaimed “I have this day made a legal agreement with Herr Hitler”. Then London was bombed mercilessly. Only 50 million people died in that one. Or have you never studied history?

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41245 Thu, 31 May 2012 23:28:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41245 The gringos have exausted all their resources. They seem to be having problems everywhere, at home from the mexicans, in Afghanistan from the talibans and in Pakistan from the Pakjabis. No supply route and no escape route, armoured cars and other equipment stranded on Pakistan highways and Pakjabi military is now refusing to provide any security for the 100,000 strong marines stranded to be brought home. Zardari has also let us down and is not willing to buy the stranded material at half its value. And now they have just test fired a stealth missile which could prevent next mission with our stealth helicopters? The solution is to allow same sex marriages at federal level; this should atleast make the marines happy in the hindukush! Leave Dr Afridi in prison for a while, CIA boys will do something to bring him out of Pakjabis hands. They must be torturing him as we trained them to learn about what realy happened in the city ofAbbotabad!

Rex Minor

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By: Matrixx http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41244 Thu, 31 May 2012 23:07:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41244 Myra, It brought a smile to my face reading this narrative about Dr. Afridi, a hustler and triple agent. He officially worked for GoP, had lucrative business with militants and part time agent of CIA. It is unfortunate that nobody introduced him to President Zardari, where he could outshine some of the leading lights. I’m sure that he would do roaring business even behind the bars. Myra, your focus on due process is misplaced unless the applicable law is specified. There are many laws: FCR, Common law, Sharia law, International human rights and laws related to WOT. Each has its own process. I would leave it at that.

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By: san-man http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41243 Thu, 31 May 2012 22:40:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41243 Pakjabis are running all of NWFP and Balochistan like reservations. Don’t lecture about Geronimo after what you did to Akbar Khan Bugti. Baloch and Pashtuns trusted the Pakjabis and have landed up in reservations. Then Pakjabis cunningly tell the outside world “Oh, those Pashtuns and Baloch, they are only happy living backward lives! They live under backward laws because they want them! We are only giving them what they want!”

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By: Samiyam http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41242 Thu, 31 May 2012 18:27:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41242 Oh please! Anyone who has spent a little time reading Myra’s blog knows that she comes from a long line of white female groupies of Pakistan; Christine Fair (before she began to feel jilted), anyone? A bit of the macho mustache twirling and faux military airs goes a long way with some. No wonder that Shaukat Aziz thought that he could seduce Condoleezza Rice; seeing how the likes of Myra get easily taken in. This pathetic excuse for Afridi’s conviction has as much credence as the ludicrous claim that tax collection in Pakistan has gone up 25%. But Myra has served her useful idiot role and given the internet Pakistanis a straw to grasp at.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41241 Thu, 31 May 2012 13:43:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41241 The Apache Geranimo trusted the Americans and he landed in a reservations, Dr Afridi trusted the new American generation who launched operation ‘Geronimo’ and also landed in the prison, probably to stop him from telling the world as to who was the poor old guy who vanished from the seen and is most probably in Gutanemo prison now.

Rex Minor

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By: san-man http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41240 Thu, 31 May 2012 13:20:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41240 From the one side of their mouths, Pakistanis complain about Guantanamo’s laws, and from the other side of their mouths the Pakistanis have been maintaining their own version of Guantanamo laws in the NorthWest Frontier. Pakistan deliberately created this legal black hole in the NorthWest of the country, in order to more effectively manipulate events there and crush opponents to the rulers in Islamabad.

While the US is legitimate in seeking military tribunals for an enemy like AlQaeda, how can Pakistan call itself an ally in the War on Terror if it’s treating those who helped nab Bin Laden as an enemy of the state? Pakistan is saying that spying on Osama amounts to spying on Pakistan, and that fighting against AlQaeda amounts to fighting Pakistan. It’s clear that Pakistan is upset that Dr Afridi has killed the Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs – as long as Bin Laden was still alive, Pakistan could receive more money and aid. But now that the Golden Goose has been taken away, Pakistan is furious and on the warpath.

Pakistan is no ally, it is the most treacherous of enemies.

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By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41237 Thu, 31 May 2012 08:57:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41237 Myra,
Yours is the best article on Dr Afridi episode and also requires well informed comments.
The jirga(jury in english) trials are usualy held against criminals who are accused of murder, and where no witness is prepared to provide evidence in the open court, although adequate info is avilable against the accused. The accused under no circumstances receives a death sentence and usualy ends up in life sentence.

Tribal jirgas have no jurisdiction in non tribal territiries. If what is alleged about Dr Afridi with regard to his involvement with CIA amounts to treachery and therefore has no longer the protection from the Afridi tribesmen. He has broken the Pashtun code and choosen death on his own accord. Pakistan jails can not provide him any protection.

In my opinon there is more to the affair than the eye can see, or what is being poured out by the Pakistan and the American Govt. The involvement of a so called democracy and the country of law USA undertakes extra judicial killings,this is going to increase the lawlessness both in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Let us wait for the next moves from the contrahands of the USA and the Talibans?

Rex Minor

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By: SaleemAli http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2012/05/30/what-happened-to-the-rule-of-law-us-pakistan-and-doctor-afridi/comment-page-1/#comment-41236 Thu, 31 May 2012 03:53:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=8844#comment-41236 This is a balanced article but it assumes that the tribal court details provided are accurate regarding the Mangal Bagh caper. The court plea according to some Pakistani media sources such as Geo News suggest that Dr. Afridi was doing a double-agent role on the Pak-Afghan conflict and that was the case rather than on the ransom offer which his family is claiming was the case. So there is reason for us to wait and withhold judgement. Pakistan is being cornered by the US and many seem to think that this strategy will force them to change their ways. In my opinion such bullying seldom works with mixed moral record on the part of the US as well (as the authors here have noted)

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