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On U.S.-Taliban talks, look at 2014 and work back
According to Steve Coll in the New Yorker, the United States has begun its first direct talks with the Taliban to see whether it is possible to reach a political settlement to the Afghan war. He writes that after the Sept. 11 2001 attacks on New York and Washington the United States rejected direct talks with Taliban leaders, on the grounds that they were as much to blame for terrorism as Al Qaeda. However, last year, he says, a small number of officials in the Obama administration—among them the late Richard Holbrooke, the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan—argued that it was time to try talking to the Taliban again.
“Holbrooke’s final diplomatic achievement, it turns out, was to see this advice accepted. The Obama Administration has entered into direct, secret talks with senior Afghan Taliban leaders, several people briefed about the talks told me last week. The discussions are continuing; they are of an exploratory nature and do not yet amount to a peace negotiation.”
I had heard the same thing some time ago — from an official source who follows Afghanistan closely – that the Americans and the Taliban were holding face-to-face talks for the first time. He said the talks were not yet ”at a decision-making level” but involved Taliban representatives who would report back to the leadership. There has been no official confirmation.
And given that the idea of holding talks with the Taliban has been on the diplomatic agenda for a year, you would probably expect to see the various parties involved in the conflict sounding each other out – though diplomats say that in the first half of last year it was hard to get negotiations moving without the direct involvement of the Americans. By the second half of 2010 the Americans had given greater endorsement to talks, leading — according to the source I spoke to — to direct talks beginning towards the end of the year.
In a speech to the Asia Society on Friday, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Washington was “launching a diplomatic surge to move this conflict toward a political outcome that shatters the alliance between the Taliban and al-Qaeda, ends the insurgency, and helps to produce not only a more stable Afghanistan but a more stable region.”
“As military pressure escalates, more insurgents may begin looking for alternatives to violence. And not just low-level fighters. Both we and the Afghans believe that the security and governance gains produced by the military and civilian surges have created an opportunity to get serious about a responsible reconciliation process, led by Afghans and supported by intense regional diplomacy and strong U.S.-backing.”
“Now, I know that reconciling with an adversary that can be as brutal as the Taliban sounds distasteful, even unimaginable. And diplomacy would be easy if we only had to talk to our friends. But that is not how one makes peace. President Reagan understood that when he sat down with the Soviets. And Richard Holbrooke made this his life’s work. He negotiated face-to-face with (former Serbian president) Milosevic and ended a war.”
Academics, experts appeal to Obama to back Taliban talks
A group of academics, journalists and NGO workers have published an open letter to President Barack Obama appealing to him to support direct negotiations with the Taliban leadership.
The letter argues that the situation on the ground on Afghanistan is much worse than a year ago. “With Pakistan’s active support for the Taliban, it is not realistic to bet on a military solution,” it says.
“Like it or not, the Taliban are a long-term part of the Afghan political landscape, and we need to try and negotiate with them in order to reach a diplomatic settlement. The Taliban’s leadership has indicated its willingness to negotiate, and it is in our interests to talk to them. In fact, the Taliban are primarily concerned about the future of Afghanistan and not – contrary to what some may think — a broader global Islamic jihad. Their links with Al-Qaeda – which is not, in any case, in Afghanistan any more — are weak. We need to at least try to seriously explore the possibility of a political settlement in which the Taliban are part of the Afghan political system.”
“The current contacts between the Karzai government and the Taliban are not enough. The United States must take the initiative to start negotiations with the insurgents and frame the discussion in such a way that American security interests are taken into account. In addition, from the point of view of Afghanistan’s most vulnerable populations – women and ethnic minorities, for instance – as well as with respect to the limited but real gains made since 2001, it is better to negotiate now rather than later, since the Taliban will likely be stronger next year.”
“This is why we ask you to sanction and support a direct dialogue and negotiation with the Afghan Taliban leadership residing in Pakistan. A ceasefire and the return of the insurgency leadership in Afghanistan could be part of a de-escalation process leading to a coalition government. ”
The United States, which is due to release a review of strategy in Afghanistan next week, has so far shown little inclination to engage in serious negotiations with the Taliban leadership, although it has accepted that ultimately there will have to a political solution to a war that cannot be won militarily. There is also little sign it is about to change its stance of ramping up military operations — Defense Secretary Robert Gates just returned from a trip to Afghanistan where he said the U.S. strategy was working.
The letter, however, is still worth reading and particular scrolling through the list of names of those who signed up to it. If nothing else, it serves as a useful marker from regional experts that they believe the Taliban are willing to negotiate.
@Myra
Now you have the comments from some experts from India on this blog. How come they were not included in the groups of academics and experts? Any idea how you can transfer some of the radicals views on to the neighbouring Indai blog. It is getting rather crowded with non experts and non academics.
Rex Minor
Are the Taliban distancing themselves from al Qaeda?
The question of whether the links between the Afghan Taliban and al Qaeda can be broken has been discussed at length over the past year or so, and will be a major factor in any eventual peace settlement with insurgents in Afghanistan.
So it’s interesting to see this post by Alex Strick van Linschoten highlighting what he calls the first semi-official acknowledgement from a Talib – former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef - of Osama bin Laden’s involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.
He cites the following quotes from an interview with Zaeef, in response to a question about bin Laden and his relations with Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar after Sept. 11:
“Following the September events, the Commander of the Faithful Mullah Omar met with Bin Laden in the presence of a large number of Taliban leaders and Al-Qaeda members, and asked him if they were behind the attacks on the twin towers and the Pentagon.
“Osama denied the allegations but I now believe that Bin Laden planned the attacks without informing the Commander of the Faithful and then lied to him by denying his involvement in the attacks after they took place.”
According to Alex, who co-edited Zaeef’s memoirs, “this admission is a crucial first step in tackling the issue of the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Let’s hope it’s part of a larger political development.”
Last week I asked senior Pakistani politician Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman, who is sympathetic to the Taliban, what would happen to al Qaeda in the event of a political settlement.
@theinsaneo
Think simple and straight, analyse the words and psyche of the people. Iraq war was not a strategic blunder per say or a thoughtful project. Wars are always crimes against the humanity. You suddenly had a phony billy the kid, who admired the wild west and believed in the stories of the good succeeding against the bad one. George w believed in the CIA info about Sadam Hussain plot to have his father the Bush senior killed. George W went into Iraq for vengance, come what may and to prove to his father that he is worthy to be his son. The Bush senior thought very high of his younger son, the texas Governor, and was not proud of George W’s poor military service.
Comprando! The AQ org. and money and the rest are all made up stories and meant for the birds or people like you and me. This is just one of the make believe stories. Innocents and always innocents and straight forward people get hurt and loose their lives. Saudis have nothing to do with it. They are feeding America every single day, they are also keeping the capitalist system going with the money they earn from the oil sales, and return it to the american and European industry.
They are supporting Pakistan existance, providing aid to many other countries and charity organisations in the world. They are not controlling the actions of any who receive their help. They are no different than the Christian Countries and ngo’s who are equally helping the needy regardless of their religion or political affiliations. The love for the next one is the teaching of Islam,christianity and Judaism.
People who undertook the violent mission in NY .. were arabs and not saudis only. mr Ata was an egyptian. They were studying in Hamburg and some had completed the Engineering course. They were not trained to be terrorists in Afghanistan, nor did they study several years engineering to throw it away and take the mission to take innocent lives of the people. Sometimes things occur and there is no logical explanation. People loose lives, George W was advised that this was a revenge from AQ boss wgho was earlier the target of bill Clinton ordered missiles, which failed. If you have the experience of war, then you should know that if your enemy fires at you and misses, then he is not going to expect mercy form you. This is the game which is being played now. let us hope that the struggle ends in a truce!
Now we have the new President who is in love with the American dream philosaphy and reckons that he is a better chief for decisions. On a personal level I do not blame George W intent to punish Saddam Hussain but why cause the death of so many.
The new President has misunderstood the fall of the so called taliban govt. Mr Karzai is a Pashtoon leader and is an integral part of the Pushtoon taliban family. All of the Pashtoons have a dislike for foreigners unless they are their guests and speak with them at an equal level. They do not accept any Mr above them. Also they do not expect the Govt to handle their private affairs including security. They nominate and elect the Govt. to organise services, schools(yes schools) and essential services such as roads, hospitals etc etc. But this is separate subject.
Rex Minor
With Karzai off to Washington, Taliban talks back in focus
“The effort required to bring about a compromise was indistinguishable from the requirements of victory—as the administration in which I served had to learn from bitter experience.”
The quote is from Henry Kissinger on Vietnam but you could just as easily apply it to the current U.S. strategy in Afghanistan of aiming to weaken the Taliban enough to bring them to the negotiating table. And unfashionable as it is to compare Vietnam to Afghanistan (it was hopelessly overdone last year), it does encapsulate one of the many paradoxes of the American approach to the Taliban.
If, so the argument goes, the United States is willing to reach an eventual political settlement with the Taliban, why does it keep launching fresh military offensives? Or alternatively, if it has no intention of making a deal, why has President Barack Obama promised to start drawing down troops in 2011, signalling to the Taliban that all they need to do is wait it out until the Americans leave?
In this 2008 Newsweek article which carries remarkable resonance today, Kissinger, a former National Security Adviser, sets out the risks of a strategy that is somewhere between war and peace.
“When the United States goes to war, it should be able to describe to itself how it defines victory and how it proposes to achieve it. Or else how it proposes to end its military engagement and by what diplomacy. In Vietnam, America sent combat forces on behalf of a general notion of credibility and in pursuit of a negotiation whose content was never defined,” he writes.
He then faults previous administrations for assuming that once the U.S. military thwarted the North Vietnamese, ”an undefined compromise would emerge through diplomacy—in effect, a strategy seeking stalemate, not victory. But stalemate violates the maxim that the guerrilla wins if he does not lose. “
“The purpose of war is victory. Stalemate is a last resort, not a desirable strategic objective.” (my italics)
On tipping points and Taliban talks
One of the issues that seems to arouse the strongest emotions in the Afghan debate is the question of when the United States and its allies should engage in talks with the Taliban. Some argued that the moment was ripe a few months ago, when both sides were finely balanced against each other and therefore both more likely to make the kind of concessions that would make negotiations possible. It was an argument that surfaced forcefully at the London conference on Afghanistan in January. Others insisted that U.S.-led forces had to secure more gains on the battlefield first.
If you go by this survey carried out in December by Human Terrain Systems (pdf) (published this month by Danger Room) the people of Kandahar province were convinced at the end of last year of the need for negotiations: (as usual health warnings apply to any survey conducted in a conflict zone):
“Reconciliation is a popular concept in Kandahar province. There is almost universal agreement that negotiation with the Taliban is preferable to continued fighting. Specific approaches such as calling a Loya Jirga and a jobs training program for former fighters are both widely supported. The desire for reconciliation is likely driven by the perception that the Taliban are part of Afghan society; a significant majority of respondents view the Taliban as ‘our Afghan brothers’. This opinion is unsurprising considering the ethnic makeup of the Taliban - highly Pashtun – and the movement’s history in Kandahar Province,” it says.
Since December/January both sides have faced setbacks. The arrest in Pakistan of Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, for whatever reason, has at the very least sent a message to the Afghan Taliban in the so-called Quetta Shura that they can no longer count on Pakistan as a safe haven. At the same time, the U.S.-led military campaign seems to be running into problems, if the latest spate of negative press reporting about the forthcoming offensive in Kandahar is to be believed (see Martine van Bijlert at the Afghan Analysts Network on her recent visit to Kandahar; The Guardian for a useful round-up of links; or follow these blogs by Kandahar residents Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn)
Does that mean we have now reached a new point of balance where both sides stand to gain more from talking than fighting? Not necessarily. Wars have a way of gaining a momentum of their own in which some developments – for example the planned offensive in Kandahar – become unstoppable.
But perhaps equally importantly, how are we to recognise when this point has been reached? Where is the tipping point?
A report just published by the RAND Corporation, “How Insurgencies End” (pdf), based on a survey of 89 different insurgencies, has some worrying pointers for anyone who thinks they will know for sure when is the right time to open talks:
By engaging Taliban in a dialogue process, peace might prevail in the region and it is also important because the locals prefer it. Peace is always relative and also depends a lot on the aspirations of people, so conducting dialogues with Taliban, peace might prevail in this war torn country.
from India Insight:
Will India’s Kashmir talks offer break fresh ground?
New Delhi said this week it will adopt "quiet diplomacy" with every section of political opinion to find a solution to the problems in India-ruled Kashmir about four years after it opened a dialogue with separatist groups there.
The response to the announcement is on expected lines -- the moderates welcoming it and pro-Pakistan hardliners reminding any effort at peace without involving Islamabad would be futile.
New Delhi has not yet made a formal offer for talks. But the timing of the development appears to be significant.
Violence is at a low in Kashmir, elections there were largely successful and last year's angry public protests against Indian rule have now subsided.
On the other hand, the security situation is at its worst in Pakistan and the war in Afghanistan appears to be in a decisive phase.
There is also growing realisation in Washington about the impact of the India-Pakistan rivalry on the Afghan war as pointed out in this Reuters analysis.
Pakistan has long demanded that resolution of the Kashmir dispute be made part of any effort to stabilise South Asia, a move strongly resisted by India.
Some think that Kashmir issue cannot be resolved until Pakistan get dissolved by Taliban or India gets dissolved by Pakistan.
It is endless and mindless hatred instead of live and let live with economic unification of all, for real groundwork for public at large, due to intellectual bandwidth of leaders from all groups and nations.
Less than 70 years back, we were all Imperial India. Are we better off being bitter with each other now than being united against colonial Britain in the struggle for independence ?
Partition is easier to induce or enforce than attain or admire economic unification through better public benefit outlay through defence budgets cuts.
China will not let this happen through misguiding leadership by misdirected strategic spin, even if USA will favour enlarged largest democracy of the world.
Forget Jinnah and forget Gandhi as we need to remember that they or their plans have not worked for today’s state of affairs.
Union of interests will lead to unification of leadership which leaders of different groups, factions and nations will never undergo. Mergers of corporations are done for financial benefits and economies of scale and scope, economic unification for social and humanitarian benefit is not understood by leaders in Indian sub-continent; be it India, Pakistan, Bangladesh at all.
Peace at any price, sacrificing leadership positions: three presidents, three prime-ministers, three x, y, z and so on… is a thought known to common public but lost on the higher echelons of separatist, splinter, strategy think tanks.
Peace visits us all before we all go up in pieces, if Afghan or Pak Taliban gains control over nuclear weapons in Pakistan, which will destroy Afghanistan and Pakistan from within and won’t spare Kashmir or rest of India from without.
Where are we headed ? Do these leaders, Indian, Pakistani, Afghani or Kashmiri know the common public good ?
from India Insight:
India, Pakistan: two steps forward and four backwards?
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has dropped a plan to travel to Egypt next month where he was expected to hold further talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh following their meeting in Russia this week.
Pakistan's foreign office has said Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani will attend the summit of Non-Aligned Nations in the Egyptian city of Sharm El Sheikh although soon after the Singh-Zardari meeting in Yekaterinburg the two sides announced plans for a second meeting in July.
Has something gone wrong?
Newspapers on both sides of the border read more into the change of plans than just a normal swap of duties between the prime minister and the president.
The Dawn linked the cancellation to displeasure over Singh telling Zardari in the full glare of the world's media that Pakistan should not allow its soil to be used for militant attacks on India.
The soft-spoken Singh's rather unexpected remark right at the beginning of the first-to-face encounter with Pakistan's leaders since the Mumbai attacks in November ensured that the meeting was unpleasant from the outset, it said.
Pakistan's The News said New Delhi had handed Zardari a "well staged slight" but Islamabad was setting it aside because at the end of the day the two sides were talking again.
I think the one message that Manmohan Singh got across, withoput ambiguity or doubt, is that the mood in India is different now.
You cannot expect to train thugs and murderers, send them across to create mayhem, claim innocence and expect to get away with it any longer.
“Did India over-reach?” In no way is this a step back. It is a new beginning. The message, for once, is crystal clear – lets talk business or not at all.
Talking to the Taliban and the last man standing
The debate about whether the United States should open talks with Afghan insurgents appears to be gathering momentum — so much so that it is beginning to acquire an air of inevitability, without there ever being a specific policy announcement.
The U.N. special envoy to Afghanistan, Kai Eide, became the latest to call for talks when he told France’s Le Monde newspaper that reconciliation was an essential element. “But it is important to talk to the people who count,” he said. ”A fragmented approach to the insurgency will not work. You need to be ambitious and include all the Taliban movement.”
His remarks follow much more guarded comments by President Barack Obama who said in an interview with the New York Times that Washington might look for “comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and in the Pakistani region” as it did in Iraq, involving “reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us.”
Vice President Joe Biden has also said that U.S. assessments were that only five percent of the Taliban were “incorrigible”. He told a news conference in Brussels that whatever happened would have to be initiated by the Afghan government. “But I do think it is worth engaging and determining whether or not there are those who are willing to participate in a secure and stable Afghan state.”
According to the New York Times, the Afghan government has already begun exploring the potential for negotiations with the Taliban leadership council of Mullah Omar and with mujahideen leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Al Jazeera has also reported that the Afghan government has begun talks with Hekmatyar, while the Christian Science Monitor said Kabul had opened preliminary negotiations with the network of mujahideen commander Jalaluddin Haqqani.
@Pakistanis are jealous of Indians eh ? If that’s the case why are the Indians so obsessed with Pakistan, as evidenced by this blog ?
- Posted by Aamir Ali
-This is called “alert and watching” for the fallout of the events inside Pakistan. You guys are obsessed with the word “obsessed”.











“Mortal1, what you have mentioned is the truth but the problem is that these people “can’t handle the truth” lol.” Posted by black_hawk
If you are reffering to, what I think you are, then NO, I was wrong to have said what I did & regret it. I allowed one unruely character to make me lose my composure & in the process, I offended the followers of a perfectly fine religion (many of whom are good & decent people). I condemn my own words & strongly discourage anyone from repeating them.