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		<title>By: basilbeshkov</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>basilbeshkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 22:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  Amazing vision, but it is unfortunate that they have already taken the irreversible IPO step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  Amazing vision, but it is unfortunate that they have already taken the irreversible IPO step.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Smalera</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Smalera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co-operative_Group&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;largest co-operative in the world&lt;/a&gt;, The Co-operative Group, had £11.9 billion in revenue last year and has 6 million members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the largest co-operative in the world, The Co-operative Group, had £11.9 billion in revenue last year and has 6 million members.</p>
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		<title>By: RBone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>RBone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously,that would never work. I understand your desire to have a say and get rich by whatever means possible. After all, we do live in a society that is driven by consumerism and where greed is an important part of our culture. However, the fact is it is doubtful large corporations are going to invest in a company with 800 million users and whom all have a say in the day to day operation. It&#039;s a pipe dream, and one taught by liberal universities. Moreover, there is not one hugely successful business in the world that is run that way. All business&#039;s must have strong leadership and having 800 million leaders would not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously,that would never work. I understand your desire to have a say and get rich by whatever means possible. After all, we do live in a society that is driven by consumerism and where greed is an important part of our culture. However, the fact is it is doubtful large corporations are going to invest in a company with 800 million users and whom all have a say in the day to day operation. It&#8217;s a pipe dream, and one taught by liberal universities. Moreover, there is not one hugely successful business in the world that is run that way. All business&#8217;s must have strong leadership and having 800 million leaders would not work.</p>
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		<title>By: IanKemmish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>IanKemmish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The short answer, surely, is that doing this would be entirely redundant.  There is already an &quot;Open Source&quot; clone of Facebook which, a priori, is &quot;controlled by its users&quot;.  If Mr Smaleri wants a social site that doesn&#039;t reek of capitalism, then he is entirely free to user this (or even vk.ru!), rather than undemocratically telling business people what they &quot;should&quot; be doing.  The fact that Mr Smaleri is apparently unaware of the Open Source alternative may help explain why Facebook&#039;s current business model is successful.

The problem with high-tech co-operatives of course is exactly the problem that has always stalked the Open Source community itself - in practice resources aren&#039;t allocated by its users, but merely by a bunch of high priests, replacing autocracy with oligopoly.  What&#039;s so great about that (unless Mr Smaleri hopes to be one of the few)?

Indeed, resources cannot practically be allocated by the users.  The hypothetical charity example shows how social media give people the illusion of power without responsibility - just ten similar suggestions would bring the business to its knees.  When I was in business I got a dozen suggestions a week about what I was doing wrong - most of them mutually incompatible, many dangerous, but any of which, in the scenario Mr Smaleri gives would easily attract millions of votes.  (My response was always &quot;become and OEM and take the risk yourself&quot; - that always stopped the conversation dead in its tracks!)

Of course, Mr Zuckerberg will, if he is a good businessman, be guided by the best ideas of his customers - the advertisers - but not by random crowd movements in his audience, who are not his customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The short answer, surely, is that doing this would be entirely redundant.  There is already an &#8220;Open Source&#8221; clone of Facebook which, a priori, is &#8220;controlled by its users&#8221;.  If Mr Smaleri wants a social site that doesn&#8217;t reek of capitalism, then he is entirely free to user this (or even vk.ru!), rather than undemocratically telling business people what they &#8220;should&#8221; be doing.  The fact that Mr Smaleri is apparently unaware of the Open Source alternative may help explain why Facebook&#8217;s current business model is successful.</p>
<p>The problem with high-tech co-operatives of course is exactly the problem that has always stalked the Open Source community itself &#8211; in practice resources aren&#8217;t allocated by its users, but merely by a bunch of high priests, replacing autocracy with oligopoly.  What&#8217;s so great about that (unless Mr Smaleri hopes to be one of the few)?</p>
<p>Indeed, resources cannot practically be allocated by the users.  The hypothetical charity example shows how social media give people the illusion of power without responsibility &#8211; just ten similar suggestions would bring the business to its knees.  When I was in business I got a dozen suggestions a week about what I was doing wrong &#8211; most of them mutually incompatible, many dangerous, but any of which, in the scenario Mr Smaleri gives would easily attract millions of votes.  (My response was always &#8220;become and OEM and take the risk yourself&#8221; &#8211; that always stopped the conversation dead in its tracks!)</p>
<p>Of course, Mr Zuckerberg will, if he is a good businessman, be guided by the best ideas of his customers &#8211; the advertisers &#8211; but not by random crowd movements in his audience, who are not his customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas77</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at all the latchers on. gimme gimme gimme. Or He shoulda-woulda-coulda.blah blah blah. How bout you all create your OWN social network?? Then you can be Master??
Wow! What a concept!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at all the latchers on. gimme gimme gimme. Or He shoulda-woulda-coulda.blah blah blah. How bout you all create your OWN social network?? Then you can be Master??<br />
Wow! What a concept!</p>
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		<title>By: AsKSeattle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>AsKSeattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This model has been tried before, its called communism.  Instead of shoulda woulda coulda, why don&#039;t you start your hippy communist social network and see how many people actually sign up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This model has been tried before, its called communism.  Instead of shoulda woulda coulda, why don&#8217;t you start your hippy communist social network and see how many people actually sign up.</p>
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		<title>By: cp61</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>cp61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, better check the ‘shrooms at that Park Slope co-op. 



rontflmao~~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, better check the ‘shrooms at that Park Slope co-op. </p>
<p>rontflmao~~~</p>
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		<title>By: cp61</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>cp61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shae the wealth brotha~~
yea~~ share it.
lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shae the wealth brotha~~<br />
yea~~ share it.<br />
lol</p>
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		<title>By: lhathaway</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>lhathaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice idea, but MZ will never go for it. Nor would the advertisers and investors who are looking to make zillions out of all those user habits and friends. Nice idea though. I might even think about joining if it were a coop, but probably not. The internet is a great thing but some things are best left out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea, but MZ will never go for it. Nor would the advertisers and investors who are looking to make zillions out of all those user habits and friends. Nice idea though. I might even think about joining if it were a coop, but probably not. The internet is a great thing but some things are best left out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterWeyant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/paulsmalera/2012/02/02/facebook-ipo-should-be-a-coop/comment-page-1/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterWeyant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://joindiaspora.com/ already provides a user owned and controlled experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>https://joindiaspora.com/ already provides a user owned and controlled experience.</p>
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