Comments on: Actually, conservatives should favor even fewer people paying income tax Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:10:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: nikacat Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:29:11 +0000 Regardless of the criticisms directed at the author of this post, one Reihan Salam, he at least has made an honest and fairly coherent proposal to remedy our chaotic tax situation. The income tax has indeed turned into a stealth tax. We do need a more visible form of taxation, regardless of whom it seems to favor. The problem with VAT is that it also is a stealth tax. Why not try a sales tax? See how it goes. It isn’t irrevocable. It works well here in the state of Washington. We don’t have an income tax, and we don’t need one.

By: Biscayne Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:48:38 +0000 I’ll not quibble over the fact that VAT is different from a simple sales tax as they are both ultimately a sales tax. However, you chose to use the example of Canada to demonstrate the benefits of a federal sales tax because the budget deficit in Canada is under control. Had you used Europe for the same purpose you will have reached a different conclusion as Europe is mired in huge deficits. Therefore, I can conclude that sales taxes are not correlated with budget deficits.

By: notnews Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:55:34 +0000 No Representation Without Taxation!
wait a minute strike that…

reverse it.

By: Leftcoastrocky Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:11:48 +0000 One of the few details that Romney has disclosed about his economic policy is that he opposes removing the motto “In God We Trust” from our coins.

By: bcrawf Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:10:20 +0000 If Graetz really wants a progressive scale, he would not start out by putting a 12 or so percent charge on the purchases of even the poorest. When somebody making $40,000 a year has to buy a new stove, it is a big hit, but is not even noticeable to a person making $350,000. Notice that while Graetz scrambles around trying to appear progressive with his figures for the upper income set, he describes his plan as one which lowers their taxes. That amounts to saying the tax burden is shifted to the lower economic strata.

By: pec49 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:12:40 +0000 I think most of those in Romney’s 47% income taxless class would not mind paying more taxes if it meant a healthier government and an economy that provided decent paying US jobs and if it prevented jobs from being shipped off shore. I also think most of them would be just as happy to ship the 1% class off shore instead of jobs. They are not a big part of the American tax base and they do not seem to support the trickle down theory but instead would rather shelter their money from taxes in off shore investments.

Romney also seems to have not known that these 47% tax class still pay a far greater share of their income to taxes than the wealthy do. They pay it in sales taxes, state and local taxes.

By: Dafydd Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:24:43 +0000 You misunderstand the conservative mindset.

For them only the rich (wealth creators) should be exempt from taxes, laws and regulation.

All that government stuff is for little people.

By: jcfl Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:40:42 +0000 @vocalmedia – so you were at the subject meeting of wealthy donors? you can personally vouch for what romney said? no one moved the words around to make a totally different message, ie “you didn’t make that”. we heard exactly what romney said and hoped would not reach beyond the room. the only time a republican gets in trouble is when they actually say what they think and let the rest of us in on their unbelievable hypocrisy.
four more years.

By: vocalmedia Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:53:17 +0000 Separate issue.

Yes, the tax system needs a substantial overhaul, replacing all or most income-based taxes below Graetz-like numbers and implementing a national consumption tax.

Indeed, many favor a consumption tax replacing ll income taxes below a much higher income, say, $500,000.

Canada was an economic basket case before they implemented a national Goods and Services Tax in 1991. The 7% GST, which had exemptions for children’s clothing, books and few other items, replaced a 13.5% Manufacturers’ Sales Tax (MST) that had hurt exports and raised costs for domestic consumption. The GST saved Canada. Indeed, because it grows as an economy grows it can be a major tool for saving countries from bankruptcy. Since 1991, one government won office by promising to get rid of the GST, then didn’t, and a second, the current Conservative government, won in 2006 with a promise to reduce the GST by 2%, which it has done. In a number of provinces the GST has been “harmonized” with the pre-existing provincial sales tax creating the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax). This has reduced the bureaucracy needed to handle the taxes.

Reducing income tax to 10% with a U.S. GST-like tax of 10% would supercharge the U.S. economy.

By: vocalmedia Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:32:58 +0000 Reihan, you misunderstand, misappropriate and misrepresent Romney’s remarks.

He was talking about 3 different groups:
1. the “47%” and later in his remarks, “48%, 49%” — “who are with him” — Obama supporters
2. the different “47%” he referred to as “non-taxpayers”
3. the 10% or 15% who are independents and taxpayers

And just as he was about to explain how polling examines the Obama group, the tape was cut — by Mother Jones, Jimmy Carter IV or the bartender who made the tape. They unbelievably claim a machine malfunction, at precisely the critical moment. The media needs to challenge that attempt to use editing to twist the content.

Romney defined the Obama group as including those who are “dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.”

Romney says these people aren’t open to his campaign messages. The non-taxpaying group was a second group it makes no sense to pitch to, because you can’t successfully pitch a lower-tax platform to those who already pay no taxes. People who can’t comprehend a Venn diagram are claiming this is the same group as the first group.

Then, showing he does understand Venn diagrams, Romney said his lower-tax pitch would most successfully go to the third group, the 10% or 15% who are independents and taxpayers.

So, in fact, Romney wasn’t offering an “extended off-the-record riff to wealthy donors about the fact that ’47 percent of Americans pay no income tax’ “. You are conveniently twisting the facts to suit your narrative.

Conservatives do favor fewer people paying federal income tax and indeed have made most of the cuts that have freed the working poor. But in 2012 the fact that group is 47% shows how poorly Obama has managed the economy and put so many into the poorhouse.