Comments on: Fixing immigration, but not necessarily the Rubio way http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/ Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:10:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: 24AheadDotCom http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-287 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:12:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-287 Here are several questions for Salam based on the post above:

24ahead.com/n/11212

Please ask him those questions on Twitter, in his comments, or at his public events.

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-286 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:19:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-286 I was in Princeton NJ just this summer. Beautiful town. If you spend any time or do business there, you can’t help but noticed the Indian population of the town is, well, quite noticeable.
I’m afraid while much of the US is putting up fences to ward off our neighbors, the Asians will quietly, legally, buy most of the country. Their intent is not to assimilate either, but to free themselves from their own over population, corruption, and “enemy of the year”. Have you ever tried walking a few blocks in Mumbai? Hong Cong? Rio? Stopping the human tragedy that is happening on our border should be immediate, but fences and guns and mines do not stop tragedies, they make them.
I’m sorry to say it looks like the next few decades will be quite rough for the US as we retract into our shells of protectionism, I actually hate that word, protectionism. Into our own national self interests, and we will continue to not only deny that globalization is occurring, but also to delude ourselves into believing that we can control it to.
Bearing that in mind, I think I’ll find a new forum now. These short comments on public sites are again, just peeing in the wind.

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-285 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:38:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-285 Very well said CaptnCrunch.

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By: CaptnCrunch http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-284 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:41:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-284 Excellent piece Reihan, and the resulting comments show what a huge arc and great distance there is from one side of the argument to the other.

From our beginnings America has been bi-polar at best about immigration. From the open arms and opportunity offered by Lady Liberty to the xenophobia that met the waves of different nationalities, we have always talked out of both sides of our mouths.

Pragmatically the cries of “No camels in the tent” seem hollow when compared to all the camels in the tent. There is no fence high enough nor wall long enough to reverse what already is.

We are well on our way towards becoming a Latino majority nation and as such I doubt we’ll be able to pick the skilled and refuse the rustic. Like it or lump it, reality will soon trump ideology.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-283 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:42:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-283 @PseudoTurtle,

My comment that: “We can’t do anything about the ones we “have”…” was in specific reference to “anchor babies”. There’re here, they’re “legal” and that’s likely not going to change.

That’s certainly NOT true of the 11,000 illegals! COindependent is showing unusual perception and tmc does too. Any “way forward” will be a mongrel reflecting many ideas and interests.

Each of us in our own way agrees that amnesty in any way, shape or form at this late date is cultural suicide for any sustainable American economy of the future. We of such common mind should work together to counter this real and present threat.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-282 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:28:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-282 @PseudoTurtle,

“In truth, I agree 100% with OneOfTheSheep (don’t tell him or it will go to his head).” LOL!

Military mercenaries are probably the most pure example of the adage : “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. And more than a few are “put off” by my calculated directness. But I earnestly strive for consistency in my beliefs and positions. It is for readers to judge my success or failure.

There is no one who is going to agree with me 100%, which is good because honest debate keeps all with an open mind intellectually honest. In the past I suspect the rhetoric of impatience and frustration may have concealed a mind of great potential in identifying the more important challenges of our time. I believe it was Henry James who said: “There’s no more usual basis of union than mutual misunderstanding.”

It is always more productive to build on that which is in common than to rail against such differences as always can be found. Academia feeds us the past, and our eyes and ears feed us the present. It is for our brain to perceive our present course, envision the better alternative, and implement it where we are, with what we have, as best we can; and the sooner the better.

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By: PseudoTurtle http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-281 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:48:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-281 @ OneOfTheSheep —

I strongly disagree that we can’t do anything about the ones we have right now.

Take a look at the summary from the post by COindependent above. There is, indeed, plenty we can do to remove the financial incentives for them that keep them here draining our economy.

“In summary, my premise is that if you remove the financial incentives (ability to work, public assistance, etal) then you eliminate the motivation (for both immigrants AND employers. Plus, if I am an employer that is going to get whacked for $10,000 per employee per offense plus legal fees, then I can afford to pay a reasonable wage to a U.S. citizen or a legal immigrant.”

Speaking of draining our economy, don’t you people know that a large percentage of the Hispanic population’s income goes “home” to help support those who aren’t here.

That is all money that is never returned to our economy.

There is NO WAY these Hispanics benefit our economy.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-280 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:13:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-280 @jcfl,

You said: “…since it is illegal to vote in the US without being a citizen, could you please enlighten me on how politicians are benefiting from all these illegals voting for them?” I’ll be happy to try, but my success is dependent on how open your mind and your eyes are.

Without photo ID, few polling places have the slightest idea who is standing in front of officials reciting addresses and expecting a ballot form or voting machine access in response. If one minority is sick or elsewhere, another can easily cast their vote. Same for people who have died…some continue to vote year after year.

And don’t forget the people in hispanic communities who make their living (or a good part of it) by creating forged “official” documents. Drivers licenses, green cards, Social Security cards…voter I.D. cards are EASY!

Since the eighties TWO generations of “anchor babies” illegals have popped out have reached voting age. More and more of them year by year. We can’t do anything about the ones we “have” but we can stop this ongoing process almost instantly with well planned and maintained mine fields.
You said: “…and do i read you to feel that by “americans” you mean only us good ol’ white anglo saxon protestants?” Not at all.

I said “Americans”. Meaning ALL legal ones of any color, whether natural or naturalized. Now, if really pushed, I’ll admit to a preference to “americans” that are WORKING if they report their wages, all of them, when applying for welfare or food stamps…but, heck, nobody is truly without prejudice of some kind if they’re human and honest – right?

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By: PseudoTurtle http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-279 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:26:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-279 Oh, and one more thing.

Anyone who tries to sell immigration based on “social issues” is attempting to sell you a large load of excrement.

Basically for the reasons stated above by AdamSmith.

There are NO OTHER relevant considerations beyond what he stated.

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By: PseudoTurtle http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2013/01/22/fixing-immigration-but-not-the-rubio-way/#comment-278 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:10:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=128#comment-278 @ tmc —

I was more than happy to stay out of this one, until you mentioned my name.

In truth, I agree 100% with OneOfTheSheep (don’t tell him or it will go to his head). As “OOTS” so delicately put it: “We, the people” want our borders SEALED and these squatters OUT of our schools, our jails, our hospitals and emergency rooms. But our politicians want their votes! Their need for “bilingual everything” (they DON’T assimilate nor do they want to) is an unacceptable cost to the American taxpayer. GO HOME! Who represents the American people against the “Washington establishment”?”

But he is absolutely correct. These people, who are sufficiently different in their cultural outlook are well on their way to destroying this country. We literally being invaded, just so the wealthy can get even wealthy with cheaper labor.

From that aspect, AdamSmith is also absolutely 100% correct in stating the economic danger they really pose to this nation.

By the same token, you are absolutely wrong — once, again your prejudices are clouding your judgement.

Taken together, OOTS and AdamSmith have expressed my sentiments exactly.

In case we don’t know how to build a fence that would keep intruders out, I suggest we contact the Israelis. Their fence-building techniques a “world class”.

whoever it was that commented that politicians aren’t looking for the votes from these people — which has seriously skewed the last 2 presidential elections — has a serious problem understanding that the Hispanic population votes as a block, and Congress is more than happy to cater to them. Soon, they will be the “ruling class” in this country. When that happens this country is in serious trouble, as in collapse of our government which they don’t want at all.

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