Comments on: Online education can be good or cheap, but not both Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:10:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: dalerrogers Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:25:51 +0000 As an eLearning Developer and Assistant Professor at a Community College, I can confidently say that “it depends.” My institution is working on improving it’s attrition rate. Therefore, I polled each student that failed or dropped one of my courses in the Spring 2013 semester. Of those students that responded, the following reasons were given:

* they took too big of a load
* Their employment situation changed and interfered with their studies
* There was a family crisis.

None of these reasons were due to the instructor/student relationship or to the quality of the online course. We live in a society were people have to work while they go to school.

Also many students are not prepared for college work. Either they didn’t get the education in HS or they are returning adults and haven’t been in an academic environment for a dozen or more years. Either way, the community college has to help a student get from where they are to where they way to be in a two-year period. With some students, that’s possible. With others, not so much. Stop trying to fit all of education into a tight little understandable bundle.

Each student is different. They all have their reasons for succeeding or failing at reaching their goals. To say it’s because of online learning, is failing to understand what’s really happening.

By: MukeshRao Mon, 05 Aug 2013 01:52:34 +0000 Online courses such as the ones available under edX are most welcome in my part of the world. I regularly visit MIT Opencourseware too.

I agree with the comment that in democracy, education is a right not a privilege. Unfortunately, in my country it has become more of a privilege. Rich kids have access to all top notch institutes (even if their scores are avg or below) while kids from certain section do not have access to these institutes even if they score 90% and irrespective of their financial background. If they are financially weak, they have no scope. Some of these kids are luck and migrate to the US or Europe on scholarship. Most suffer mental agony for rest of the life.

edX will break the monopoly of these institutes and make other dumb universities (pvt ones set up to make money) run for cover.

I welcome the online universities wholeheartedly.

By: VultureTX Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:05:45 +0000 @oots said “No one seems to be working our how to live on thirty hour’s worth of what these jobs typically pay”

That is because that’s your responsibility. instead of one low paying job and doing overtime. You now do two 25-30 hour jobs.

/and please don’t complain , I know multiple successful people who actually do two salaried positions for two different employers because they excel and can do “40 hours of work” in less than 30 every week thus earning 6 figures. Because the standard productivity in most jobs is a joke.

By: OneOfTheSheep Wed, 31 Jul 2013 04:52:33 +0000 @tmc,

The increasing tendency to hire part timers is already lowering the number of hours in the “typical work week” tabulated and you’re right again, in that more people are thus employed for the same amount of work.

No one seems to be working our how to live on thirty hour’s worth of what these jobs typically pay. No easy answers of the sort people want to hear, and no economists yet explaining how to raise the standard of living in times of low or no economic “growth”. Sigh.

By: tmc Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:44:47 +0000 Very well put @OOTS. The tough question is what are we going to do about it? Perhaps a small start, to slow the unemployment, would be to reduce the work week to say 30 hours so more people can be employed. Of course there would need to be more of those evil social plans too. Planning for the next three generations is tricky eh?

By: BidnisMan Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:42:09 +0000 I am not convinced. As someone who was educated ‘Ivy League’ in my own country and later begin to crowdsource a broader education I can say the quality of the second is the better one in what it actually teaches. This article seems to focus on struggling students and failure rates but is unable to tell the difference between causation and correlation – perhaps you crowdsource some education on statistical basics.

By: HudsonBaird Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:36:55 +0000 Reihan,

You mentioned reducing failure by blending online and traditional education.

Down in Austin, Texas we’re about a year into that experiment with high school graduates who hadn’t planned to attend university. We’ve enrolled them in an online degree program and hired residential tutors to live with them and coach them through school. It’s been hard, but we think a blend’s feasible long-term and more cost effective.

Grateful for your interest in the subject and the comments from the folks who have weighed in.

Hudson Baird
Executive Director

By: GeneR Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:15:18 +0000 There are two issues; how education is delivered and how prepared the student is for survival in that method. The more fundamental question of what an education consists needs to be answered as a prerequisite of this discussion. The debate between MOOC or traditional methods of delivery is secondary to the preparedness of the student.

Why are students ill prepared for post secondary learning, regardless of method? The answer lies in what society requires of secondary education. I have no studied view for an answer. But have the observations of a parent and grandparent. I’ll state some in an argumentative form hoping that they will engender further exchange.

Nobody fails; not in the sense of do it again until you get it.
Students are similar so one method suits all learning.
Taxes are too high and teacher’s unions too demanding.
Kids live in their own society where they are pandered to.

That should be enough fuel

By: parmakcocuk Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:48:46 +0000 Well many comments.
ONLINE is here for 21 years. 7 million students are taking now for degrees paying $ 1,500-2,000 peer course.
Now there is GOOD ONLINES ( GOL ) by elite schools at a small fee but not degree yet .
Within 10 years all schools will be closed 2 million teachers and faculy will be jobless whatever you say today . It is supply and demand law. Nobody can stop it .
In 10 years only only 100 or so research universities will be alive and provide GOL for degrees at $ 10 per course or $ 400 per BA degree from elite schools.

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