Comments on: The Cliven Bundy in all of us http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/ Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:10:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1237 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:57:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1237 Hey Rick. Agreed, Bundy is an idiot. But how do you defend a POTUS who backs the racist philosophy of his AG? Every action of Holder has a racial agenda associated with it. Nope, I am not afraid to discuss race issues with Holder or any one else.

However, i do take exception that should I disagree with him that I am automatically categorized as a racist, notwithstanding his arguments are driven by more by emotion and victimhood, and less by the facts. So whose the racist there–Holder, the POTUS, or both?

Both Holder and POTUS are ideologues who believe the Constitution they promised to preserve, defend and protect is malleable to support their political agenda. There, you now have the opportunity emote “racist”.

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By: Rick_FromTexas http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1236 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:54:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1236 Don’t go saying there’s Cliven Bundy in all of us, I’m no racist republican, nor am I a thief who steals public land and expects to get off scot free.

I’m glad Bundy’s embarrassed the republicans who were standing by him until he shared his racist views with the world. And how nice of him to do so in an election year.

It’s so much fun watching them desperately scrambling to distance themselves from him now that he’s outed himself, and the GOP, as they racists they really are.

Make no mistake, this is who republicans really are and what they really think. Remember in November, folks.

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By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1234 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:56:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1234 Bundy is a poor example for the issues examined here. He is not entitled to anything. If economics dictate that he his a poor manager, or in the wrong business, then like any business he has the right to fail, to liquidate his assets, and move on.

He failed to make his grazing payments–period. His so-called “rights” to the land his family has historically leased from the government are only those of a renter–period. The owner of the land (us) , and its manager (BLM), have the right to be compensated for the use of the asset under the terms they define. If Bundy does not make his payments, or violates the terms of use, then he is a squatter and should be evicted–period.

The problem is that the federal government is utilizing means that would place any other property owner in legal jeopardy should they execute the same tactics on a renter. Try evicting a tenant by force, or destroy his property in doing so, and you will see what few, if any, protections you have to protect the use of your property.

The real issue is that the federal government is a poor manager of the land. Federal lands in the west should be transferred to the states, to be used to benefit the citizens of that state. Under the current management, they are a valuable, yet poorly utilized assets. The best management decisions are made at the local level, and not by centralized, and politically motivated, bureaucrats who couldn’t find most of the properties they are responsible for on a map.

The west is not a biology project. It holds vast resources that can be responsibly used to benefit all. The west is not some playground for the political elitists to use as leverage to secure their Beltway status. Government overreach imbedded in time? Yes. Irresponsible and ineffective management? Yes. Too much oversight from those least prepared to make the right decisions, where rules are first defined by a political agenda versus commons sense. Absolutely.

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By: CountryPride http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1233 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:32:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1233 Cliven Bundy is an American hero, one of the few left along with his supporters who are willing to stand up to a corrupt and tyrannical federal government. How ironic that the Feds have the money and manpower to send a small army with heavy firepower to deal with some guy in the middle of nowhere and some grazing cows yet let millions of illegal foreign criminals enter and roam free, and to go even further support and aid them to further break our laws and have full access to taxpayer funded services that they contribute nothing to therefore robbing American citizens of their tax money and their sovereignty! Where are you libs? What do you have to say about your hypocrisy! It sure does make you happy to pick on some poor guy trying to mind his own business and make a living along with little girls setting up neighborhood lemonade stands but let foreign criminals come in and let the excuses fly about how the rules don’t apply, and they are just here for a better life crap.

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By: Eric93 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1232 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:42:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1232 This article seems biased and incomplete to me. According to other reports that I’ve read this is a ‘land grab’ by certain others, like Harry Reid and his son, who stand to make money brokering a deal to get Bundy off the land so that it can be sold to a Chinese company to build a solar plant there. Why no mention of this?

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By: Heyoka http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1230 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:48:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1230 Mr. Salam seems to have hit a nerve, judging by the comments. I agree with some of the posters that the comparison of Bundy’s aggressive resistance to the government’s response to his overreach with the nature of the actions of upper income urban land seems a false equivalency. But I think Mr. Salam’s point is about the motives we share in common with Mr. Bundy. The lengths we will go to act on those motives are constrained by the norms of those around us. Those norms are different for those of us living in and near urban centers. But we tend to do what we can to gain and preserve what advantage we can. And we shouldn’t pretend that we don’t flex political muscle to do it.

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By: CDN_Rebel http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1228 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 02:09:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1228 Honestly Mr Salam, what drivel is this… Extremists I don’t mind because at least they are honest to their crazy ideas. It’s moderates like you – that know better yet still enable these crazies – that drive me mental. I realize that the Clinton regime crippled the right wing by stealing the center but the answer isn’t to keep staking out ground in crazytown, but to actually try and WIN BACK THE CENTER! Given how people are generally disappointed with Dems in America it wouldn’t be that hard a push to retake power that way.

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By: edgyinchina http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1227 Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:55:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1227 What I don’t understand in the whole episode is the guy with the rifle on the overpass – shown in pictures all around the internet, and in many news stories on this issue. What was he aiming at? He was supposedly there to ‘protect’ Bundy in case the Feds opened fire ? ? ? But the Feds didn’t, so why is this guy not arrested for threatening a federal official?

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By: JL4 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1225 Tue, 22 Apr 2014 22:04:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1225 Mr. Salam, get a grip. You can’t whitewash what Bundy is doing. And no, there isn’t “a little Bundy” in all of us. There certainly isn’t any of his character in *me*. I don’t break the law, and I don’t take up arms against the government no matter what profit would be in it for me.

Bundy is nothing but a nut-case who wants something for nothing for personal profit and gain.

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By: Leftcoastrocky http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/2014/04/17/the-cliven-bundy-in-all-of-us/#comment-1222 Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:30:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/reihan-salam/?p=769#comment-1222 ” the guts to have a [an armed] standoff with the federal government,”

Guts? “Guts” is a positive term, implying courage or bravery.

Bundy doesn’t have “guts” — he is a dangerous traitor.

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