Comments on: A healthcare failure could save Obama http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/ Option ARMageddon Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:06:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Ritual http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-2481 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:03:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-2481 Do every one of these blog/articles have to boil down toDemocrats Vs Republican rumbles? Seriously is it simply easier to point at the other party and scream as we all swirl down the toilet bowl together? There is another party out there my friendsGive me control of a nation’s money supply and I care not who makes its laws.RothchildRepublicans/Democrats? LOL they control NOTHING

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By: Andrew P http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1851 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:19:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1851 Failure of these health care bills may save Obama, but it won’t save Nancy Pelosi. Obama would probably be a much better president with a Republican congress, just as Clinton was.

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By: f belz http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1842 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:20:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1842 We now face and have faced for the past 20 years a dearth of leadership. We have no leadership in the Congress, nor in the Presidency. It is all talk. How we got there is by Political parties manufacturing candidates instead of seeking them out from proven business and civic leaders. It is sad how the same old retreads go back into Washington law firms and are hired to run businesses that suck business from the Government(Dick Cheney. Kind of reminds me of second generation preachers who are not called, but really can’t do anything else.

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By: Drew http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1707 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:45:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1707 In Canada, the Liberal Party has effectively held power for 3/4 of a century. All was built on one large credit card.Unfortunately, paying down the debt does not get the great headlines as for example, “Liberals commit $4 billion to this” or “Liberals give $500 million to that”, which is splashed across our local paper almost every other day and is mainly how this government has effectively ruled.On the other hand, our Conservative government spent our surplus ($5 to $15 billion) paying down the debt and many average Canadians quickly forget. Blaming the current government as doing nothing for them.Spending announcements receive big headlines and.

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By: Mufaso http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1493 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:57:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1493 There is no hope for America. We might as well tuck our heads between our legs and kiss our sorry butts goodbye. The people to blame for all this are the dumb American voters who can’t seem to vote for anyone besides a Democrat or a Republican. They whine and cry about the high cost of healthcare, then vote like they always vote, and then stand around with their thumbs up their posteriors wondering why nothing seems to get better. Well, folks, as long as the Democrats and Republicans run the country nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever going to get any better. I’ll wager a bet on that.

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By: David http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1483 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:03:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1483 The only affordable solution to America’s medical issues is a Single Payer system. This would never happen because public policy is dominated by the medical and insurance industries. The current system as proposes is a poor comprimise and its best that it fails. Single Payer is the only way out of this mess. Just imagine what could be done with the money saved on administration and insurance costs in the US system. Is it any wonder no one wants to build things in the US with its out of control medical costs? Did you know that it costs 4000 dollars more to build a car in the US (due to medical costs the employer pays) than Canada, even with the wage parity that exists between the two nations?

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By: BobP http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1471 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:54:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1471 Perhaps if companies start reimbursing their employees for their gasoline expenses, 80% would say they were okay with $4 gallon gas too. These statistics can be deceiving.

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By: Johnnymustardseed http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1467 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:46:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1467 Andrew,It is always easy to argue for no change if your life has not been affected by health issues. I pay $20,000 a year for basic coverage on my own. Maybe your situation is different and you do not think that is crazy, so then god bless you for your sucess. I think that is absurd and you wouldn’t be so cold hearted if it was someone in your family that was a faceless statistic you would let die. Remember sir you are only one misfortune away from being one of those faceless.

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By: Riplakish http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1466 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:33:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1466 I find it amusing that the same people who took out mortgages they can’t afford are now demanding the government implement a program that it can’t afford, on top of programs they can’t afford. As Zathras said, “At least there is symmetry.”Also well played is the “Balance of Power” illusion, with the “Democrats” placing blame at the feet of the “Republicans”, and vice-versa, with their various minions on each side buying in to and acting upon the rhetoric. Smart people would notice this, and realize they are being played by both sides to their own loss. Such is politics, and such is the game of the something-for-nothing crowd when they’re prowling for a piece of someone else’s pie. We have become a true democracy. All democracies fail when the majority discover they can write a check for themselves from the public coffers. This, of course, is contrasted with what America should be – a Republic – where the rights of the individual are protected from the whim of the majority.Mr. Winkler has it right – the fall will occur sooner, and much more dramatically, then simply going until we run out of checks in the check books. We are off the cliff already. As “they” say, its not the fall that kills you – its the sudden stop at the bottom.The only real question left now – Reform? Or revolt?

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By: Andrew http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:14:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1460 Assume that all 18,000 would have lived if they had coverage (a rediculous assumption given the nature of disease, genetic problems, and people’s lack of timeliness going to the doctor even when they have coverage).That would average out to an additional deficit cost of $1.2 million per person PER YEAR, using the CBO estimate.I guess I’m cold hearted, but it’s not worth it. I couldn’t even honestly justify asking the public to pay $1.2 million a year to keep me alive.

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By: Andrew http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1459 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:08:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1459 ok… obviously you aren’t going to let anything get in the way of your agenda of blaming the republicans for everything and placing the democrats on a podium.

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By: Johnnymustardseed http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1457 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:50:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1457 Sorry you are wrong. People do die, Republicans were in charge and did nothing on health care. 20% yearly increases in insurance premiums is unsustainable. You obviously have yours paid by someone else… Lucky you.18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insuranceBy Steve Sternberg, USA TODAYWASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can’t get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.The 193-page report, “Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late,” examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don’t provide insurance and who don’t qualify for government medical care.About 10 million children lack insurance; elderly Americans are covered by Medicare.It is the second in a planned series of six reports by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) examining the impact of the nation’s fragmented health system. The IOM is a non-profit organization of experts that advises Congress on health issues.Overall, the researchers say, 18,314 people die in the USA each year because they lack preventive services, a timely diagnosis or appropriate care.The estimated death toll includes about 1,400 people with high blood pressure, 400 to 600 with breast cancer and 1,500 diagnosed with HIV.”Our purpose is simply to deliver the facts, and the facts are unequivocal,” says Reed Tuckson, an author of the report and vice president for consumer health at UnitedHealth Group in Minnetonka, Minn.

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By: Annette Rusher http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1456 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:49:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1456 Health care reform is needed. If each and everyone of the american people lose their job or their company stops offering healthcare. What are you going to do especially if you have a pre-existing condition? Most insurance companies do not treat pre-existing health conditions right away. If you have a gap in coverage then you will not get coverage for at least a year for that condition. You could die if you need test or medicines. So has anyone thought about the fact that companies could stop paying or offering insurance or at least change the way they offer it? I have and I have friends that have. It is not pleasant. So becareful what you say. It may happen to you and then you go broke trying to get health.

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By: pete http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1455 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:43:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1455 It is refreshing to note that there are still people like Rolf who can see things for what they are and not be influenced by totally irrational thinking! Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have the integrity to tell the truth and face the facts, but are quite content to argue and bicker over all sorts of costly issues, the debt involved being of absolutely no consequence whatsoever, because there is no intention of paying it back, so they all enjoy the enviable position of doing what they like without any threat of retribution or penalty, merrily continuing on their way to what they firmly believe to be immortality and worship!What this planet’s leaders lack is true integrity and a realization of what true value is, but there are none of those in power right now. We are all very much mistaken if we assume for one moment that the leaders whom we put into power really care one iota about us – power, greed and self glorification has destroyed their thinking totally and as a matter of course will destroy them all as well! The time to wake up is long gone and all this useless debate is exactly that -Fruitless and useless! The next recession may be nearer than we think – but that is no problem – we can just borrow our way out of that too since we do not have to pay the debt anyway! We are thinking like so called 3rd world countries and banana republics – I wonder why that is?All my life I was taught and led to believe that if you could’nt repay a debt then you should not create one. What a pity I was brought up to believe such nonsense.That of course is the secret to success!We live in fear of what exactly? We hunger for more of what exactly? We need more power in order to allay our fears and satisfy our greed and we need to immortalize ourselves as super hero’s in order to compensate for what we actually see when we look in the mirror each day! I shut my eyes in shame often and feel sure that there should be many others doing the same!

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By: Andrew http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1453 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:32:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1453 Ok, you’re trying to throw up straw men. The two parties shared power for 6 years of the 8 Bush years. Since a Democrat congress had to pass EVERYTHING Bush signed into law, you can’t say “The Republicans did <insert here”. Since Bush had to sign everything that Congress passed for it to become law, the Republicans can’t say “The Democrats did “.Second, no one NOW dies because they have no healthcare. Hospitals are not allowed to deny treatment. So that’s just a cheap play on emotions, but ultimately not a valid argument.Unless you are arguing we should be providing healthcare in a foreign country.Third, if you want help paying for your medical bills, ask me for help. Don’t demand that I hand over money because you think I owe it to you. Hospitals and doctors donate millions of hours and hundreds of millions of dollars every yearFinally, when someone argues that the gov’t needs to, essentially, make charity compulsory: this person advocating this gov’t activity… how much money/time do they donate to this charitable cause now? If you’re in favor of subsidized healthcare and you don’t donate any of your own money to medical charities now… why do you have any stage to stand on?

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By: Johnnymustardseed http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1452 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:57:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1452 AndrewWould you rather spend two trillion on a war or health care for American?No one in this great country should die because the have no health care and no one should go bankrupt because they get sick.Did I miss something or did Republicans do nothing when they were in charge and now they want to do nothing again.What if we found the 2 trillion the FED gave somebody in October of 2008 and refuse to say who they gave it to and pay for healthcare?JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the economy.Dimon cited “an expensive war in Iraq” as one of the triggers of the economic collapse. Spending on the war ballooned the deficit and crowded out investment in domestic priorities.HMMMMM

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By: Andrew http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1441 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:48:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1441 LOL… at that time, Congress was actually republican controlled, so you missed you chance completely there.Regardless, at that point “everyone” KNEW Iraq had WMD’s… even people against the war. EVEN THE FRENCH, and they weren’t basing there thoughts on Bush. Revisionist history is a crutch for the weakThat’s beyond the point, however, as even once it became clear there were no WMD’s, the democrats kept approving the funding that Bush asked for.Bi-partisan.What party controlled Congress when it voted for the deficit spending Bush signed (most of the time)?Bi-partisan.Two parties.

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By: Johnnymustardseed http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1439 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:34:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1439 Andrew,Seems to me Bush had Colin Powell in front of the UN showing “Top Secret” pictures of WMD’S. You are going to blame a Democrat for voting for that LIE? Bush lied and millions died.Doing something about health care is not what Republicans care about unless they lose their jobs and then when Cobra runs out they will care

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By: dom youngross http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1438 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:36:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1438 “Republicans told us “deficits don’t matter,” signed a prescription drug benefit for Medicare that created a bigger fiscal hole than Social Security, waged two very expensive wars financed with debt, and borrowed to bail out banks.””For their part, Democrats complain about the deficit they “inherited,” then proceed to expand the bailouts, pass hundreds of billions worth of “stimulus,” and try to increase our health care liabilities over and above already unsustainable levels.”You weakened your overall above point by leaving out Afghanistan under the now-democrat column.

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By: Andrew http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1437 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:59:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1437 Johnny Mustardseed:I seem to recall something like this… USSR mayhaps?I love all the “They”s flying around. “They” want to steal our money and give it away. “They” watch poor people die for fun. Blah blah blah.Bush spent billions of $$ on wars that a democratic congress voted to give him. Sounds like a bipartisan effort to me! But let’s not allow facts and reason to get in the way of our political self righteous rage.

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By: Rob Randhava http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1436 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:40:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1436 Speaking of Obama and health care, Barry Ritholtz had a great piece today on how the administration wasted a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to push financial reform, by going after health care instead.Then again, I have a feeling that the financial crisis will be back soon . . .

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By: Johnnymustardseed http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1435 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:29:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1435 It is so wonderfully easy for the “right” to demonize everything Obama does. Wouldn’t it be nice to have the trillions spent on the wars that they failed at to take care of our own people? In eight year of control the Republicans did nothing on health care. They hate the idea of helping poor people, because they in their hearts believe poor people are lazy and deserve what they get. Here is my prediction, those so many who are poor will rise up one day and take what they need to sustain themselves. But when you listen to the wing nuts on FOX News, revolt is what they want… I just really don’t think they get what the out come will mean.

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By: Marie Devine http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1434 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:05:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1434 These things will help us see why President Obama and the Democrats are so blinded:Twitter:Sending: Psychopolitics-Communist Address of Health Care and Control. “Soviet Art of Brain Washing” http://www.divine-way.comTwitter:Sending “45 Communist Goals For Take Over Of America.” 1963 Congress reviewed goals almost completed http://www.divine-way.comThe Communist teacher said the great danger that could stop the Communist plan to rule through the health care plan was faith healing from the Bible and it must be discredited and wiped out. It is dangerous to their control plan because faith healing works. Mr. Beria was addressing American students at Lenin University before the course on PSYCHO-POLITICS.PSYCHOPOLITICS – the art andscience of asserting and maintain-ing dominion over the thoughts andloyalties of individuals, officers,bureaus, and masses, and the ef-fecting of the conquest of enemynations through “mental healing.”Link: Video: Obama’s Communist Influences: Youtubehttp://rightsoup.com/right-sighti ngs-20/Communist Ties Behind B. Obama – David Simon Canter, Don Rose, David Axelrod & Rham Emanuelhttp://209.157.64.200/focus/f-blo ggers/2121712/posts

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By: Marie Devine http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/09/a-healthcare-failure-could-save-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1432 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:00:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=3544#comment-1432 God warned against debt, interest, insurance and seeking riches and honor. We are using all three to solve our financial crisis and that will mean our whole polluting lifestyle will continue destroying our health and our planet. THEN we use HEALTH CARE REFORM that will not take away our polluting lifestyle or lower the cost of medicine and doctors; it only changes who we must give our insurance premiums to. Neither does it lead us to a garden paradise lifestyle where we can rest with our families and put in a garden with a few fruit trees, have a goat and a few chickens for fresh foods to be healthy and truly free.The garden paradise lifestyle solves the world problems we created by ignoring God’s secular wisdom. We can solve those problems easily, quickly, fairly, inexpensively and beautifully; the garden paradise lifestyle is the only sustainable development. With so many unemployed and our financial problems at a peak, this is a great time to turn toward God’s easy plan.

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