Comments on: Gold hits $1,100 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/ Option ARMageddon Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:06:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Rolfe Winkler http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3113 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:53:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3113 Dave….good question. When I say “option value” I mean that the stock gets so cheap it’s trading like a call option on the possibility of a rebound.

That’s just me shooting from the hip, by the way. I haven’t done a rigorous analysis to demonstrate it. I share it b/c it’s a thought that informs the way I invest my savings.

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By: Dave Narby http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3109 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:00:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3109 Pardon my (infinite it seems) ignorance, but when you say stocks “have some option value, so they aren’t going to zero” what does that mean?

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By: Depeche Mode http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3093 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:38:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3093 Let’s take one step back:- on the one hand we have the holding of physical gold which should yield capital gains or losses; and of paper gold which yields capital gains or losses and dividends. I am careful to link gold, currency and other economic drivers and multipliers. There is no grand unified theory or consistent empirical. Gold is held or produced. A few weeks ago we noticed that not all holdings are accounted for, so let’s just assume it is worn as jewelry and home decorations or Kruger Rand. The latest IMF sell-off of bullion to India begs the question:- where will the cash proceeds be channeled to ? The US ? The increase in gold price improves the strength of the capital accounts of any country. There is a lag between mining production and sales. It takes quite a while to extract, treat, market and actually sell. China supposedly has the largest underground reserves, but must still extract it. Mines in South Africa might be depleted and it now requires ‘deep mining’, which is very costly. As far as inflation goes, it applies to any commodity, in physical or paper form. The same goes for hedging. The way it is going now, I would rather hedge with water.

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By: Luis de Agustin http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3063 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:31:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3063 Of course it’s not gold that moves but the US dollar. Gold merely reacts. With the economy and the markets on the mend, it means a growth of more than 4 percent and potentially as high as 7% this quarter’s final months. It also implies that the appearance of deflation will be systematically replaced by the reality of inflation.

Investors were surprised by the large increase in the price of crude oil in May, at a time that consuming countries’ inventories of crude and refined products were near a 20 year high. The mystery, as usual, is cleared up by recognizing the fact that oil prices are driven by the decline in the dollar and that oil has been cheap relative to gold since late last year.

As is typically the case, the fastest price gains in equities and commodities have been those just following the turning point. Many investors may have missed out on those extreme gains, but there’s still opportunity left in commodities, especially farm commodities.

As the private sector recovers, the public sector sickens. The federal government saddled with huge new obligations that have already begun to compromise the ability to service its debt and borrow fresh funds, means that in time fed auctions are likely to increasingly disappoint, and low long-term interest rates begin dissolving. A symptom of government’s steady march toward insolvency is the persistent rise in the price of gold.

Luis de Agustin

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By: Marco http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3045 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:35:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3045 Rolfe …

Say in 2012 we end up with hyper inflation, could the DOW jump to 100.000 or higher?

Take a look at the Bovespa (Brazil), it’s at 65.000 points.

The U.S. has a much larger economy. If Brazil were using the dollar, would the Bovespa be at e.g. 6.500 or lower?

It’s a wild thought, but could it be possible that the DOW could fall to 1000-4000, during the next crash due to deflation, and then jump up to 100.000 due to hyperinflation after 2012 ???

In that case, stock in any company which doesn’t get broke will be a good hedge against hyperinflation.

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By: Rolfe Winkler http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3044 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:47:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3044 actually cash in the mattress may be a decent option as well. The sudden stop scenario is kind of a deflationary inflation. The currency loses value relative to other currencies. At the same time, currency you have in the system can disappear. It may be helpful to diversify out of bank deposits into good old benjamins.

But again, this is the kind of thing that isn’t going to play out tomorrow…

That’s why I’m wary of folks jumping on the gold bandwagon right now. I don’t see that our fiscal prospects have gotten that much worse since gold was at $1000. What I do see is a rush by investors to buy the stuff. Reminds me a bit of the bubble in oil prices two summers ago.

The price of oil in dollars looks like it will rise for a while. But it certainly overshot due to speculative mania. If you buy it at the top, be prepared to ride it back down before the trade becomes a winner….

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By: divvytrader http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/11/06/gold-hits-1100/comment-page-1/#comment-3042 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:25:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/?p=4226#comment-3042 OK …. so you see a disaster coming as do i but you are pretty neutral on gold ……. what do you actually LIKE doing at this juncture ? sitting on cash is a disaster if your scenario plays out . I think Buffet overpaid for BNI out of gnawing fear he was going to watch his multi-billion hoard of cash devalue away to nothingness and was afraid to buy gold at the top so offered BNI such a ridiculous premium it took < 15 minutes to say yes !

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