Bayern are worse off under Van Gaal than Klinsmann — official

November 4, 2009

Bayern Munich directors must be feeling very uncomfortable at the moment. Their team are sixth in the Bundesliga and almost out of the Champions League.

So far their chosen successor to Juergen Klinsmann, who was sacked a few weeks before the end of last season for failing to secure any silverware, has had a worse run than the former striker.

Louis van Gaal, handpicked for what Bayern said was his discipline and teaching skills, was supposed to make everything good again after the Klinsmann experiment.

The Dutchman also got a roster boosted by more than 70 million euros worth of new signings including record Bundesliga transfer Mario Gomez, Croat striker Ivica Olic, Dutch midfielder Arjen Robben and Russian defensive midfielder Anatolyi Tymoshchuk as well as Croatia international Danijel Pranjic and Dutch defender Edson Braafheid.

Throw in 20-year-old Thomas Mueller’s superb current form and you have arguably a much stronger side. Klinsmann was begging for players but both Tymoshchuk and Olic, who were signed in December, joined in the summer.

Despite all this, Klinsmann still comes out on top on a head-to-head after 11 league matches played. Under him Bayern were in third place on 21 points with six wins, three draws and two defeats, with 25 goals for and 17 against.

Van Gaal’s Bayern are in sixth place after 11 matches on 19 points, with five wins, four draws, and two defeats. Goals are 17-9. So Klinsmann’s Bayern may have been conceding more goals but they also scored eight more in 11 matches. Without Gomez.

By this stage Bayern were already through to the next round of the Champions League under Klinsmann, all but out under van Gaal.

PHOTO: Bayern Munich’s coach Louis van Gaal watches his players during a team training session in Munich November 2, 2009. Bayern Munich will play Girondins Bordeaux in a Champions League soccer match on Tuesday. REUTERS/Michaela Rehle


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Bayern has had issues with rotation creating confidence problems, injury, and stubborn defenses that have seemed to rise to the challenge of even the “Roberry” pairing. Failing to defeat even-worse Stuttgart gave this game a giant alarm bell even before the start. It’s an unfortunate start for all German sides in a year they can overtake Italy for another CL spot. Muller is a bright spot at least. Tymoschuk played for Zenit, but is Ukrainian.

Posted by BMFan | Report as abusive

I want Van Gaal out. HE doesnt know what hes doing. Makes stpid substitues and by THINKIN he makes the right substitutions is destroying the team. With him at the club many players would leave the club end of season. GET RID OF HIM BAYERN.

Posted by bayern. | Report as abusive

the way klinsmann was treated is outrageous! Bayern management are too arrogant for their own good. since there is so much inbreeding in german football this probably had more to do with an old grudge/slight then jurgen’s skills as a manager. maybe herr beckenbauer didn’t like the fact that klinsman had become so popular and wanted to knock him down a peg or two. i wish jurgen would reconsider the US.

Posted by sisyphus969 | Report as abusive

Bayern’s decision to sack Klinsmann so soon was ridiculous. While things were not perfect last season you have to consider a few things. For a start Bayern were in the midst of a very competitive Bundesliga season where the likes of Hertha Berlin, Hoffenheim, Hamburg and Wolfsburg were all rather good or at least competitive. It was never going to be easy yet they remained challengers for the title up to the last couple of months.Perhaps more importantly was the fact that Klinsmann was evidently building with the long term in mind. He was focused on moulding the club, the team and the football in the way he wanted. Maybe it would have worked, maybe not. But at least he was ambitious enough to want to make Bayern seriously competitive with the rest of Europe once more. By sacking him and appointing Van Gaal they were making a concession to short term glory and look where that has gotten them!

Posted by Thomas | Report as abusive

Thomas, I agree with you on the fact that Klinsmann had a long-term plan. He did however seem to be out of touch with the club he was coaching, looking surprised when Hoeness, Rummenigge and the likes hinted time was running out. Bayern are now locked in a catch-22 with van Gaal not delivering yet and the Bayern directors unable to sack him really because they would have to concede defeat and then have Hoeness take over the club presidency. That would not look good and it would most certainly trigger a desire from several players to jump ship.

Posted by Karolos | Report as abusive

‘Old style’ coaches not necessarily have the ways and means in terms of coaching technique to motivate a group of highly professional players of modern time. We all want discipline, commitment, etc,. The issue is: How does a coach get the entire team to ‘buy’ into one’s coaching style and communication. Klinsman was at least a coach trained in more modern psychology to deal with the players and should have had more time to challenge the team to rise to the top.

Posted by monika Schloder | Report as abusive