Comments on: The wars America doesn’t talk about http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/ Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:13:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: canbeiro http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-39 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:44:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-39 Despite some similarities in the first days after regime defeat, between Libye and Iraq-Afganistan, the beginings of the battle were very different and they will surely reflect in the near and long future. Wait and see.

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By: Acetracy http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-38 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:13:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-38 The military industrial complex backing the US resource industries (primarily oil) is the greatest threat to American democracy and prosperity. You have conservatives in the Republican party and blue dog Democrats chanting away about fiscal responsibility, yet Congress continues 2 wars without the necessary funding.

Get a very real idea of the billions handed out every day through military contracts by just going to www.washingtontechnology.com which is the industry web page for listing of upcoming contracts, awarded contracts, and key players in the industry. Huge swaths of US industry rely on US defense spending which obviously is much more about just waste and corporate welfare than about making the USA safer.

Many great powers have fallen due to unfunded and debilitating military campaigns. The US fiscal crisis, its fragile economy, high unemployment, detiorating infrastructure can all be explained by the waste in the US military budget.

The US calls itself a democracy yet every poll shows that the vast majority of Americans want to end both wars. Popular opinion against the wars was partly behind Obama’s election. Yet, even with a Democrat in the White House, the wars continue. Americans are no longer in charge of their destiny – its completely in the control of the Military Industrial Complex.

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By: brian-decree http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-37 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:14:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-37 I guess the most obvious thing to point out is how there is little difference between the two parties… One is a little worse than the other but both are pretty much the same.

Politicians are proffessional PR experts. They study PR at length, and have a team of specialized experts telling them what to say 24/7.

So you can’t put too much weight into anything they say.

To understand them is to understand the decryption code to a cypher.

Once you know the real core party objectives (the decryption code) you can apply this code to decrypt almost everything they say. Because the last thing they will ever tell you is their true party objectives.

One is obvious and not too secretive – re-election.

Another is very secretive but still quite obvious – Paying off their financiers. That is, using their political power to ensure their campaign financiers get what they want.

The last is the most secretive and least obvious – Pursuing a globalized agenda and serving the true rulers of your democrasy. BIG Money… The people that lend money to the USA… The people that single handedly control the ebb and flow of money in America, and dictate to you the state of your economy.

The human cost of war, the financial cost of war, the moral cost of war, and many other things that matter to the common man…. are utterly subservient to these cheif political needs of your 2 party system.

Because without serving these needs, they know there is no hope of them being elected in the first place.

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By: sweeks6833 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-36 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:22:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-36 Well, they could have stopped mentioning the two wars because they are winding down and because the tea party forced the debt issue, or universal healthcare was being fought over, or the arab spring, which all obviously are partially based or linked to the wars. Or the wars aren’t new any more; so thus the media, being a business, goes onto to reporting new things which increases viewership which increases profits, hence the term “news” reporting.

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By: murzak http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-35 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:00:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-35 txgadfly,

Really?!. “Cripple the military.” That’s the best you can do? This retired MSgt doesn’t appreciate your tone. And before you start your elitist railing against me for my fatcat retirement; I was a ‘traditional’ Air Guardsman. I am 45 and don’t start receiving my partial annuity until I’m 60, assuming I live that long. While currently a full-time employee of the much maligned USPS, I struggle to make ends meet as we’re still being raked over the coals by the insurance industry down here on the post Katrina gulf coast.

As for your anti-semitic, pro-muslim comments: who do you think begged us to come over after Saddam invaded Kuwait? The correct answer would be the Saudis. Muslim, not pro-Israeli extremists, the last time I checked. Served three months in Kuwait during Operation Southern Watch listening to Saddam’s forces take pot shots at our pilots in the UN sanctioned no-fly zones EVERY day. We go where our orders take us. Cooperation doesnt’ enter into the equation once you’ve sworn the oath and signed the dotted line, slick.

Your “more than two weeks per year on the ground in a Muslim country” idea is beyond drivel. What difference does it make whether or not it’s a Muslim country? Two weeks is barely enough time to get spun-up in a combat deployment. Would love to know if you are American born, Texas bred with a military background. If so, you’d think the irony of asking ‘the American people’ to ‘cripple the military’ would be obvious…

I’m all for Ron Paul’s ideas. Bring the troops home. Saddam and bin Laden are dead. Afghanistan is a lost cause and Iraq was poorly conceived and executed from the start. Our troops can secure OUR borders. Stop aid to Israel, Africa and everybody else and let the rest of the UN, NATO, etc. take care of the mess for awhile. We have enough on our own plate as it is. An insular US is not a bad thing.

CarlOmunificent,

Pretty sure you could substitute ‘general populous’ for ‘armed services’. Thanks for the excellent comment and the laugh. Antigua and Barbuda… Guess we could institute national blunt day;)

JoeDietz,

OIF was specifically mentioned as a counterpoint to the recent deaths in Afghanistan. The original ‘Gulf War’ of Desert Shield/Storm ended in 1991. This article addresses ongoing wars only.

Susan,

Thanks for an excellent, insightful article. The silence from both sides of the aisle is deafening as any finger pointing might as well be done into a mirror. Joint resolutions were passed for OIF and OEF. Libya just kind of happened. Very reminiscent of the ’98 cruise missile strikes in Afghanistan and the Sudan after the African embassy bombings.

I’d say OEF (or Infinite Justice) is a tie for the Vietnam war for length, though far less costlier in lives. As for the longest… Well, you could bunch Desert Storm/Shield, Operations Northern/Southern watch and OIF together and say that it has been going on for 20 years. The amount of money spent on OIF in 8 years and the loss of life there is beyond appalling. Ron Paul 2012. It’s time.

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By: FoxPylon http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-34 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:28:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-34 I think you’re referring to market forces, Whatsgoingon. If only we let them work every once in a while…

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By: reuters_reader http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-33 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:24:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-33 Funny how the first commenter’s remarks observing the facts about US foreign policy leads instantly to accusations of anti-Semitism. There are plenty of weapons of mass destruction and dictators abusing their people out there that the US does not touch. No invasions of Burma and no ground forces taking out Kim Jong Il. We only see media hype and propaganda for invasions in Muslim countries whose leaders did not play ball with Israel: Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran. None of these countries had anything to do with 9/11, but they had plenty to do with antagonizing Israel.

The occupations (not wars, occupations… that is why they drag on so long) have been cheered on by foreign policy hawks in the US, who almost invariably have strong religious and cultural ties to Israel, going back to the neocons and PNAC. The occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq have been voted “yes” on by politicians on the AIPAC payroll. These are not facets of some deranged imagination, they are reality.

Obama is the first politician in years to even put up a modicum (and it is a modicum) of protest against the unjust Israeli occupation of Palestine, and the first to make some token effort (and it is merely token) to dial down the multi-front war on Islamic countries.

The linkbait title of this piece is unreflective of its true content. Were it more accurately titled, it would read “Hack Journalist Fired from the Washington Post Doesn’t Like the Libyan Model”.

Here we have the toppling of a known dictator, by his own people, aided by NATO air power, intelligence, and special forces, with minimal collateral damage and a generally positive response from the population. Cheaper, safer, and more effective than Afghanistan or Iraq (or the espionage and sabotage efforts that have thus far failed in Iran).

Why slander this success story with sly remarks like “the rounding up of dark-skinned Africans taking place in Tripoli or the other acts of vengeance sure to follow”? The rounding up occurring is of mercenaries hired by Gaddafi, most of whom happen to be black Africans. That does not equate to rounding up black people wholesale. Photos of those celebrating in Tripoli show many black people in the crowds, just as happy as anyone else. They don’t look “rounded up” to me. As for “the other acts of vengeance sure to follow”, thus far the Libyans have been extremely restrained and have chosen to negotiate first with the holdouts rather than go in guns blazing. They have publicly called for their fighters to refrain from rough justice, saying “the world is watching”. So, absent any actual atrocities to point to, we are meant to disregard Libya as a success based on the author’s personal assessment that Afghanistan is “achingly similar” to Libya? This is hack journalism at its finest and subtle propaganda of a flavor that has long since grown rancid and foul to the taste.

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By: Whatsgoingon http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-32 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:11:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-32 “The wars America doesn’t talk about” LOL haven’t we talked enough? From WMD to democracy, from “too big to fail” to “debt default”. Has anything been solved? Wouldn’t we be better off just keeping month shut and let Darwinism sort it out?

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By: jclimacus081 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-31 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:38:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-31 “Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.” George Orwell 1984

It is simple arithmetic to see that the military-industrial complex, which governs us, needs perpetual war to maintain itself. There will never be peace as long as the MIC rules. Why was no one on either side of the debt debate talking seriously about cutting “defense” spending? Why aren’t the media seriously considering either Ron Paul or John Huntsman? Neither men will become president because neither will be allowed to, they’ll end the wars, and that in the eyes of the MIC is the unforgiveable sin

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By: TomKi http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/2011/09/12/the-wars-america-doesnt-talk-about/#comment-30 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:34:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/susanglasser/?p=18#comment-30 In a war on security, you fight to reduce or eliminate the security problem and go home, if you win.

In an economic war, you fight to gain the resources you’re after and stop.

In both cases, keep fighting is for the insane, or for the defeated.

But in both Iraq and Afghanistan, US just keep fighting years after years. Got all involved with civil wars and other people’s business. Why?

Because it is a holy war. In a holy war, or a crusading war, you try to change other people ideology or society to fit yours’. You do that by killing their people, so that they will admire you enough to surrender.

Europeans have been fighting holy wars for centuries – civil wars within Christendom and against the Muslim. Finally in the 20th century, they discovered that holy war is for the stupid or insane.

So the business in now transferred to that between America and Islamic extremists. For America, much of it is on behalf of Israel. It may go on for another century because holy wars never really end. Now the Jews have been fighting their wars for about 2500 years. I wonder if America can last that long?

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