Comments on: Gingrich: Obama is ‘far left’ with the right smile http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/ Tracking U.S. politics Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:39:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Paul Stewart http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358668 Mon, 05 May 2008 03:19:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358668 Mike: you posted that “Obama’s Church Promotes Communism and Africa (not America)?”

Are you feeling okay today? I am not sure why any church should promote America. Surely churches are about God or perhaps other higher powers.

If there is mention of blacks and Africa, maybe its because that is where the blacks where captured and enslaved to be brought to America to suffer. Perhaps you might study the history of slavery in America and consider how God might view that in terms of the actions of those that did the enslaving …. Not suggesting you are one of the people that did the enslaving, just think you might try to get a sense of where the church is coming from.

And to then you go on to find a term that can be construed as communism if you are being willfuly ignorant and reading a few words out of context in isolation. I would not be surprised if what it means, and I am taking a leap of faith that you are indeed being honest with the few words you put forward and that you indeed found them in something to do with the church, is to get the black people on par with the rest of America and particularly the white population. It would venture it has nothing to do with communism and you are likely hate mongering here.

And, I am sure that your weak comment “it seems that” is just that – a weak comment that leaves you room when you are corrected. The black church does not put itself above God any more than the Pope does. Please stop stirring the racism pot. You might go to your own church and give its articles and its leadership equal scrutiny and write a balanced report on both. You might try looking at the history of all the major faiths and how they have evolved. Try looking throught the dark ages of the Catholic Church as a starter and see if you like what you see there.

Finally at the end of all the garbage you have created and presented as some kind of fact, you make false accusations of Obama. You know, there are laws against slander….. Disturbing indeed…..

I suggest you look at yourself in them mirror, you will see in there, precisely what you are trying to paint the black church and Obama to be…..

May God bless you and forgive you….

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By: Paul Stewart http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358661 Mon, 05 May 2008 03:00:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358661 Newt and the Republicans are going to find out that they are the far right. More to the right than is palatable to main stream America. They have become a party of the elite. And Clinton is emulating them all the while calling her opponent elitist. Just following the Bush / Rovian play book of calling your opponent what you are! It has gotten stale though and the American people are ready for change back to the main stream that Obama represents.

I believe Obama is not a typical politician – he is potentially much more and he was born to lead America at this time. The important question is – will America take up this generous and much needed opportunity?

Hillary can’t win on the issues, she can’t win on the numbers. She might win if she can leverage the party establishment sufficiently to over throw Obama’s democratic winnings. While, as many have mentioned in other posts here, Obama has not exploited them, Hillary has many more skeletons — and they are not even in the closet.

The argument that her baggage has been picked over will mean nothing to the Republicans in the election. They will use everything that is there and stuff that we still don’t even know about — I’m sure there’s more to come or perhaps to be invented in a way patented by Rove/Bush and currently licensed to Hillary.

Most important, Hillary is in my view fundamentally not a strong leader and most vulnerable on the issues to losing to McCain. Clearly, she does not possess experience competitive with him in the areas where she claims an advantage – ready on day one, security and war. Just where does she have any background that supports this – her say so and that of all the generals who have been told to back her? This does not give her the experience to go head to head on these issues with McCain. Indeed, she is untested except for the Bosnia sniper fire I suppose. And, her husband’s experience does not count for her.

Hillary’s way to the nomination even with leverage on the party establishment is predicated on character assassination and racism. Obama’s character is good and she can’t dredge up any real issues- no Wright and Rezko and a slip of the tongue about guns and religion that is based in truth are not real character issues.

So she has initiated the chatter about guilt by association and she is trying to find as many such things and thread them together and say it makes a pattern. Now this gives license to the fools, the bigots and those afraid of change not to mention to bloggers that can hide behind anonymity in the virtual world. Also, to those that are figuratively blind supporters of her and the Republicans who now parrot obtuse connections to unsavory people or events and look to get it said that Obama and his wife are unpatriotic.

The best way for the Democrats to win in November is to harness the movement for change in politics and in Washington that Obama is leading. And not just to win, but because more importantly, it is critical to America’s future. Many now can see that this is a movement by the grass roots, not just a some well spoken words from Obama as some would have you believe. If Clinton got on the bus instead of throwing herself in front of it, all the more powerful. If she stopped crying “Obama is bad, the sky is falling, and I’m much better than what I say he is” and get on the bus, well, all the more powerful too.

I think now that Wright has spoken out so fully that the world can clearly see he has his own issues, this will now fall away. It is clear now that Obama is not Wright and that Wright is not Obama. These are two different people who are clearly of opposing views on the issues. To now even suggest that Obama also holds Wright’s instead of the right views is like suggesting he believes in aliens. This is now clear to reasonable thinking people, which I believe the majority of Americans are. And these people know it is time and I think actually have already moved on — it is way overdue. This is not expedient for Obama — it is imperative for America so she can get on with the challenge of restoring herself.

I ask Americans to step back from the fantic blogging and the fueling of divisive issues that are being stoked. Particularly those that call themselves leaders in the media and in the political sphere. I think if you do that the reality of the situation and the immediacy of the unprecedented challenges America faces will lead you to understand that there needs to be a meaningful search for the truth, the facts and a meaningful discussion of what is right (not what is left or right).

If it helps as a reminder, I list the obvious challenges here, and I’m sure there’s more if you take some time to think about it – the mistaken brutal, bloody and expensive war in Iraq, the mishandled war on terror, the still missing Bin Laden, the weakened economy, plummeting dollar, health care, Social Security, America’s reduced standing, lost opportunity and near irreparably damaged reputation in the world, the crying need to be resuming global leadership to solve for eg – the financial crisis [made in America], the environment, poverty, health, etc.. And leadership is not shoot before you look…..

And, I would forcefully add underlying all of this, the challenge is to restore the very clear decline in moral fabric of American society which has been mauled. Just look at the tremendous waste of energy on the Wright episode — the time that was spent by Hillary on this matter in her Fox interview for example. Surely this is not leadership or addressing issues – its ignoring all these important matters, and wasting precious time and energy on Wright (with a gleeful smile in the interview) and on anything divisive or derogatory to the opponent. This is about personal interest and dividing and conquering for your own ends and agenda.

A true leader would politely dismiss the questions about Wright or remark that it was a tragedy that he was so far off of reality on so many points. A leader would then move quickly on to the real topics. Leadership is about debating these issues and leading America through them. It is not about finding ways to use your power and position to arbitrarily, willfully and maliciously destroy the character of others in part through the mindless bloggers posting here. While, all the time, hypocritically promoting the notion that saying ugly things makes you a strong and tough person – a “fighter”. And because the other person doesn’t spit back in your eye they must somehow be weak.

And please in considering your vote in the Democratic primaries and in the general election look to what is in your own best interest and your families’ and especially, your childrens’ and their future generations’. If you do that, I think you will understand why you should choose Obama.

I invite you to also look at the prospects for America and Americans as a whole nation. It has the potential to be greater than the sum of its parts. Right now, it is notably less and a race won by exploiting divisions, will reduce it further. Just look at the nonesense in the blogosphere where everything seems polarized. Shame on the exploiters. There is no discussion. It is I’m right and your wrong. No search for the truth, which is easy to see if one just seriously looks. No balance etc. It is worse on the Clinton side in my view, something reflected in the high rating of those in her camp who say they will toss their vote in the general to McCain.

I am confident the American era of confusion, hate and fear will come to an end – it might be sooner or later but it will end. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time….

America will get what it deserves out of this election – if its garbage in then its garbage out. America needs more than that, and to truly see the reality of the situation and vote for something different. If it does not, it will get more of the same. For something different, vote Obama. He may be just another poltician. But it is undeniable that he might be something much more and he is leading a movement for change. Why squander the opportunity?

I believe America will have the courage to vote for a new politics, a new discourse and a new future based on truth, justice and the real American dream. And it will again lead the world.

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By: Angelene http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358573 Sun, 04 May 2008 23:10:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358573 I am so over this nomination process. This is not a nomination but more so a circus. The reason it is, is because there is a black man beating a white woman who is one of the most powerful political machines in the country and you can’t stand that.

You all say and do anything to get rid of the black man, I hope he wins and then America can finally be the America for all people.

This is the saddest primaries of my life time, unfortunately.

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By: mike http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358393 Sun, 04 May 2008 17:34:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358393 Obama’s Church Promotes Communism and Africa (not America)?
1. The first paragraph of the “About Us” section of the church’s website mentions the word “black” and “Africa” five times
2. Second, the church seems to place Africa and African people before God, and says nothing about other races in their community or a commitment to help the people in their community.
3. Third, the church seems to promote communism by the term they use called “economic parity.”
Is this what Barack Obama truly believes?
http://tucc.org/about.htm

This is disturbing.

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By: erag5294 http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358318 Sun, 04 May 2008 15:22:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358318 Far Left with the Wright Smile….yes, indeed
Obama told the New York Times he will continue his membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ. “ still very much value the Trinity community.”, where Black Liberation Theology as it has expressed itself in the African-American community seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle under the’ daily burden of white oppression” is preached by former pastor, Rev.Wright and current hip-hop pastor, Rev.Otis Moss 3rd. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the “power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal”. “Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
Obviously Obama agrees and continues his membership at TUCC. Anyone who would subscribe to such an anti-American, anti-white, radical,left-wing socialist agenda is not fit to become President of the United States.

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By: Connie http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358300 Sun, 04 May 2008 14:48:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358300 This guy is brillant. Too bad he isn’t running for President.

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By: Jerold http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358216 Sun, 04 May 2008 11:37:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358216 http://www.dontvoteobama.net.

Obama needs to tell us more about his relationship with Ayers. It’s important because voters might well wonder whether that relationship, coupled with Obama’s longtime relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is just the beginning of a pattern, a pattern in which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really don’t like the United States of America. Change. If you question him or his values or policies, you’re part of the “divisive, distracting” practices voters associate with Washington. If you become an unquestioning, adoring political groupie, you’re not. Them’s the Obama Rules.
One day after being drubbed by Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania to the tune of 200,000+ votes, Obama’s chief political adviser David Alexrod was on National Public Radio claiming that white working class Democrats barely exist and hardly matter.
Axelrod said, “The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes.”

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By: Jerold http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358215 Sun, 04 May 2008 11:36:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358215 GUAM 50/50 split!
Senator Hillary Clinton ties Obama in Guam! Pundits like CNN & MSNBC got it wrong again predicting Obama would win by double digits. Each candidate got 50% of the votes!
DEMOCRATS WANT OBAMA TO DROP OUT NOW! They are not going to give this Presidency to Obama because hes black and if we don’t hand it to him; blacks will riot and stay home, so what? American is ready to elect a black man not this black man who recently revealed a major character flaw and again calls into question his judgment and truthfulness of the candidate whose entire appeal has been based on character or his lack there of and not solutions.

More than half the voters will not vote for obama! 56% who heard speech less likely to vote for Obama, his unfavorable rating among registered voters up 37 percent!! Clinton leads McCain 48 to 41 percent among all registered voters, while Obama and McCain are tied. National lead dropped 10pts now tied with Senator Clinton and he is now losing in IN too. Once 25 pts ahead in NC now just 5pts-

Obama’s Chickens Come Home to Roost too little, too late. The Wright controversy had revealed a major character flaw and calls into question his judgment once again and truthfulness of the candidate whose entire appeal has been based on character. Wright is like an uncle you love and respect As imperfect as he may be, he has been family to me for so many years, I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community” “I can no more disown him [Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother.” a woman who once confessed her fear of black men after a black man had tried to shake her down for money. She gave him some, but he kept demanding more. “If the bus hadn’t come, I think he might have hit me over the head,” Obama says she told him. Rev Wright was right! Obama speech is ONLY for political purposes after the severe drop in polls!

Obama is now declaring himself shocked and disappointed at Wright’s unrepentantly racist and anti-American views? Obamas obviously support his feelings of anti-America and white hatred that the church endorses to stay for 20 years and raise young daughters in that atmosphere Obama can no longer plausibly claim innocence in this matter, because he is the one who has encouraged Wright by trying to excuse and explain his views. All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him now, six weeks too late. It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism–and he can’t complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity. This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan–and injecting him into the American political debate. http://www.dontvoteobama.net

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By: eSPO http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358100 Sun, 04 May 2008 06:08:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358100 Why don`t you explain why Gingrich was “forced out” ?

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By: John http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/comment-page-1/#comment-358078 Sun, 04 May 2008 04:45:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/03/gingrich-obama-is-far-left-with-the-right-smile/#comment-358078 Labeling the Democratic candidates ‘Far Left’ is the last desperate attempt of the Right to Swift Boat the Democratic Candidates. It’s the only scare tactic they have left. Don’t forget, Newt wants the Supreme Court to be more in line with ‘God’s Word.’ It doesn’t get any further Right (or over the rainbow) than that. Hey Newt, you failed at turning Congress into your own personal Kingdom. Leave Government to the adults.

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