Far from key Democratic decision-making, Clinton carries on

May 31, 2008

puerto.jpgGUAYNABO, Puerto Rico – Miles from the Democratic Party’s machinations to decide whether she will get her votes counted in the disputed primaries of Florida and Michigan, Hillary Clinton on Saturday smiled and clapped her way through the streets and small towns of Puerto Rico.

Clinton, who trails front-runner Barack Obama by what most consider an insurmountable gap in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, waved from a campaign truck at bystanders who gathered in the steamy afternoon heat to cheer her on.

Accompanied by loudspeakers blaring “Hillary Clinton, La Proxima Presidenta,” pounding music and trucks carrying photographers, television crews and reporters, Clinton cruised the palm tree-lined streets in towns around San Juan for hours past fruit vendors and fisherman who paused to point and smile.

Supporters honked car horns and waved banners while small children jumped up and down. One woman rushed up to Clinton and presented her with a giant bouquet of flowers.

“Si, si, si,” exclaimed Blanca Rivera, 69, standing by the side of the road in Guaynabo, when asked if she planned to vote for the New York senator in Sunday’s primary. “Si, si, si.”

Clinton is heavily favored to win Puerto Rico’s primary, although the result is not expected to make a significant dent in Obama’s lead among delegates to the party’s nominating convention.

Clinton remained well out of questioning range of reporters who might have asked her about the Democratic Party’s rules committee, meeting in Washington to decide the future of the primary results in Florida and Michigan. Clinton won both primaries, but the contests were held earlier than party rules allowed and the results were invalidated.

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Photo: REUTERS/Ana Martinez (Clinton appears at a rally in Puerto Rico)


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It amazes me that people would continue to vote for Mrs. Clinton when they know she is going to loose the nomination. Why prolong the agony. Do the kind thing and put her out of her misery. Besides she is too closely associated with the establishment in America. Obama will be the breath of fresh air America needs to regain credibility in the rest of the world after Bush’s disasterous reign.

Posted by Mike Robinson | Report as abusive

It would be great to see the first woman president of United States of America.

Posted by Rabin Deka | Report as abusive

What is being decided today is a sad state of affairs. The rules were made, Florida & Michigan were told that their delegates would not be seated if they proceeded, They did as well those that voted. The candidates each including Clinton (she was ahead at that time) signed pledges not to campaign in those states as well as knowing that their votes would not count. Now that Clinton is behind she has gotten those in the two states worked up by saying that their votes should count, rules or no rules. What does this say too our children and young people, that you can break the rules because they can be changed later? How can we as a nation expect others to follow rules if we allow rules to be broken and later change them to accommodate the action? I guess what we want others too do is as we say, not as we do!!

Posted by Bert | Report as abusive

Right when I thought it could not get any funnier.
So now there are delegates, “super”delegates and um… – half-delegates? All in accord wprinciple “one man – half-vote”. Why stop there, ah say? Let’s slice ’em thinner to make a salad.

Posted by ROFL | Report as abusive

This is what hurts.What are we teaching the citizen and prents of this Country.,That a rule made today can and will be changed as and when corrupted.
Shame on Democratic Party Leaders,if they are the leaders.

Posted by Sukh | Report as abusive

GMT: There is no “putting out of her misery.” You are not in touch with the hope she inspires in the more than 17 million who have voted for her. It’s a lesson Obama needs to learn – should he become the nominee, he needs to learn how to connect with those who continue to vote for her.
He can’t win the White House without her.
He can’t win the White House without superdelegates voting for him.
How ironic – huh?
Nothing new after all ….

Posted by joywinnie | Report as abusive

Ickes: You lose. I’m curious to see what you will do after Denver. Who will hire you?

Posted by sixty sixer | Report as abusive

Democratic drama. Instead of beating up the Party Leaders from Florida and Michigan, we decide to change the rules. Hard to follow a leader who flip flops.

Shame on Michigan and Florida (especially Florida, you should have this figured out by now) for not considering one of nations most precision rights.

With Howard Dean, you can’t find this good of drama on TV, well you might on Spike TV. I hope the Dems can get it together before I vote for McCain.

Posted by Rainman | Report as abusive

If this drags into the convention the Democrats risk being split and not unified in the fall. Classic stuff…if Hillary gets it then Obama supporters look at her as stealing the nomination….if Obama gets it Hillary supporters feel cheated because they all have this “we are entitled to get it” because of an unbelievable arrogance that surround the Clintons. I don’t see that party coming together. My guy McCain will have a cakewalk into the Whitehouse. The Democratic leaders see this and don’t have a clue how to fix it.

Posted by Mike t | Report as abusive

Hillary has unwittingly made herself unsuitable for the role of VP, let alone the big one: her refusal to give-in smacks of dogma, arrogance, intractability and crass bloody-mindedness.

These are qualities that the U.S. definitely DOES NOT WANT or need in a president. The deserve better!

If ever there was a salient lesson in vain endeavour and crass ineptitude, then Hillary’s abysmal lack of a grounded reality check serves as a grim reminder of the ‘pride before a fall’ principal.

Her personal hubris is indeed her downfall: her metaphorical new clothes are falling apart as she speaks.

In addition, there is a real and pressing question over Hillary as to her honesty and her ability to choose truth over fantasy.

Her fantastic idea that the votes for her running rival Obama, somehow don’t count, is further evidence of someone lost in their own intractable world.

Posted by The Truth Is… | Report as abusive

Well If Clinton keeps it close she might sway Supers her way.. He only has the lead in Pledged Delegates. That said, She Has the Pop Vote and swing states needed to win the White House. He won’t win those.

So He either gets her on board as the VP or risk losing in Nov.. Or if she gets 2 out of the next 3 as big wins it could sway Supers.. Either way your only going to win now with Supers…

Leaving his chruch now is a bit late, Something he should have done right away to crush what happened before it Happened..

His chances of winning both Michigan and Florida are now slim. Anyone that says he’s for the people yet blocks every chance for a re-vote, Isn’t.

And how can you look at these people over the next few months and say vote for me after saying your votes don’t count…
He won’t win Florida, He might get 39% of the vote. But he’ll lose. Michigan he should do a little better at 43%, But still lose…

I won’t be voting for him, only because he’s for himself And he was caught lying on TV a few months back. And it was the kind of deal he said he was fighting against.. Yeah right..

It’s the same word being used to con people (Change) that’s been used so many times over the years…
But he sells it good is all.

Posted by David | Report as abusive

It is a sad state of affairs when an organization as large as the DNC sends a mixed message about following the rules and the consequences. It is even more sad that it has been instigated by someone who wants to be president of the USA. Hilliary is spending all her time in PR because she knows she will win it. Too bad they can’t vote in the presidential election. Her response to the outcome was equally divisive-just you wait and see what kind of support she will give the democratic nominee.

Posted by jackie | Report as abusive

This isn’t a national election. This is just a political party trying to pick a candidate to run (and they cannot even seem to do that). Probably a mistake to let the ‘public’ pick the candidates anyway.

How many other political parties worldwide make the selection of their candidate such a major issue.

Posted by paul oman | Report as abusive

The decision by the Democratic Party to seat half of the delegates of Michigan and Florida is about all that is needed to hand the Presidency to John McCain.

Harold Dean is one of the most divisive people you can find and there was a reason this whack job had to drop out of the last Democratic primaries and it is clear that he simply lacks any sense of sound political judgment.

I think the battle has shown that Hilary Clinton has the stamina and leadership to go with it to be a terrific candidate for POTUS. It may be positioning for next time when McCain will have finished his first term but she has proven she can win votes in the key battle ground states where Presidential elections are won or lost. Obama is not as strong there and will need every black American to get out and register and vote.

Posted by PK Boo | Report as abusive

David at 5:06 GMT – may I suggest that you get your facts correct before you decide the state of affairs in Michigan and Florida. Obama did not block any revote in any state. It was the DNC.

In regards to “popularity’ in those states – he advised his supporters to not vote because the votes wouldn’t count and the polls now indicate that he is highly favoured in both states as well as California. In fact funny thing is, he is ahead of McSame in many states.

I guess living in integrity and telling the truth and not belittling your opponents is not the way to win your vote. Obama never played the race card, or the white card or the gender card. Hillary did and now – as we can see – she is now playing with a deck short three cards.

Oh, and have you EVER lied? to your boss? Better quit your job now. Aye! When Obama made a mistake and he has, he admitted it and moved on. Obviously you have not.

Must be difficult living in an imperfect world.

Hillary will do all she can to destroy anyone’s opportunity to win the White House. She felt it was hers to have and she will make sure that she has an “opportunity” to regain her entitlement in 2012. Unfortunately, she will need to find a new party to try it in. I hear the national Party here in Australia needs leadership.

BTW, I am an American living abroad and we really do see things with a clearer eye.

Posted by MizuInOz | Report as abusive

i think a lot of people are supporting Clinton for the wrong reasons: because she is a woman and because she is white. most Americans want change, however. and that will only come by voting for the one who embodies change: Obama.

Posted by david | Report as abusive



Large numbers of BUSH_McCain Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on with the backing and help of the medical and insurance industry. Under the direction of the George Bush, and Karl Rove vote fraud, and vote manipulation machine. Because they feel Barack Obama would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And they want to stop Hillary Clinton from fixing the HUGE! American, and Global mess they have created. shocking!!! isn’t it. Just gotta love those good old draft dodging, silver spoon Texas boys. Not! :-(

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves off of you, and your children’s suffering.

With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality affordable universal health care for everyone very soon. And you are also certain to see major improvements in the economy for everyone.

The American people face even worse catastrophes ahead than the ones you are living through now. It will take all of the skills, and experience of Hillary Clinton to pull the American people out of this mess we are in. Fortunately fixing up, and cleaning up others incompetence, immoral degeneracy, and mess is what the Clinton’s do very well.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

Just look at Oregon for example. Obama won Oregon by about 70,000 votes. But approximately 79,000 Bush republicans switched party’s back in January to vote for Obama in the democratic primary. They are not going to vote for, or support any Democrat in November. Are you DEMOCRATS going to put up with that. Are you that stupid, and weak. The Bush republicans think you are that stupid, and weak.

As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton. This is even more phenomenal when you consider she has been also fighting against the George Bush, Karl Rove vote fraud machine in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Hillary Clinton is STUNNING!.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and Bush republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don’t let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.

And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. :-)

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)


jacksmith… Working Class :-)

p.s. Cynthia Ruccia – I’m with ya baby. All the way. “Clinton Supporters Count Too.”

Posted by jacksmith | Report as abusive

Clinton supporters are a crowd of delusional, pseudo-feminist last name loyalists. They are not Democrats. They are only Clinton supporters.

Posted by Murat C. Menguc | Report as abusive


No hope for you. Clinton sounds like Gore in 2000. This time it is the DNC, not Bush. You can use the same augument for Republican voters voting for Hilary, keeping her numbers higher than what they are.

Listen to this. This is from somebody by the name of John K. Wilson at the Huffington Post today. Headline: “Mississippi, ‘Limbaugh Effect’ Softens Blow for Hillary Clinton — Hillary Clinton suffered a huge defeat last night in Mississippi, and now faces an insurmountable pledged delegate lead by Barack Obama. But what most pundits missed was the fact that Obama’s victory would have been even more overwhelming in Mississippi (and he might have won the popular vote in Texas) if not for the ‘Limbaugh Effect\': Republicans voting in the Democratic primary in order to undermine Barack Obama and help John McCain. … In the voting during January and February, Republicans were an average of 3.8% of the voters in the Democratic Primary, and they heavily supported Obama. But for the primaries in March, in Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, Republicans have been 8% of the voters in the Democratic primary, and now they heavily support Hillary Clinton. This is definite proof of the ‘Limbaugh Effect’ coming through.”

Open you eyes, it will only hurt for a little.

Posted by Clintonwho | Report as abusive

Don’t fall for the SHAM of Obama and the stealing of delegates that happened in front of your eyes at the DNC show sat.He is a DANGER to America and will have some more Ugly stuff revealed soon don’t throw your vote away.
Senator Clinton is the real deal,the most qualified and the WINNER in Nov.The media has tried to cover for Obama but the truth will shock you.Chicago Politics is the worst.
You are lucky you are the last primary and can vote for honesty and quality in your First Woman President in Nov.

Posted by Dee | Report as abusive

The democrats are delusional if they think Obama is going to win in November. No matter what his popularity is now, American has not progressed that far that Obama will be elected president. In November when the people go into the voting booth they will not be punching the Obama slot. The African American populations, including the super delegates are voting for Obama because he is black. They hear his rhetoric and it sound good and they have the “our time now attitude”. Most are not interested in his qualifications or his plans for this country. This is a person who has no national political experience; stayed in the senate for 18 months before jumping out to run for president. He has yet to state the changes he is going to bring about. Yet the democrats like hearing the word “change” flow from his lips. All his speeches sound just like church sermons. The super delegates are so smitten with him it like their brains have been replaced with their rear end.

Posted by Kayle | Report as abusive

Yes someday it would be nice to have a woman as the President, but not HRC. She is abrasive and has math delusions, like saying she is ahead in the popular vote. Would you really want her to keep track of the US checkbook? Those overdraft charges could kill us, literally?

Posted by zMark | Report as abusive

Kayle – yet more Clinton misinformation? Give us all a break: it is the truth that will set America free – not your brand of fantasy football!

zMark above is uncomfortably right in what he asserts.

Let’s hear it for the truth!

Ignore the lies!

Posted by The Truth Is… | Report as abusive

I voted for Obama in the primary, but if he picks Hillary as #2, I will definitely vote against him in the election.

Posted by Steve Jones | Report as abusive